• Make election day a federal holiday • Statehood for DC and the five US territories (American Samoa, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands) which will take the Senate up to 112, plus at least 1 House seat per new state • Adjust House allocations of seats and the 435 cap • End the filibuster • Expand Supreme Court • End gerrymandering • Improve ballot access and restore voting rights • Abolish electoral college
漏了 give free healthcare to illegals open border abolish ice do not prosecute any rioters and looters high tax (looking at California) expand green energy, reduce natural gas (looking at California) AA in college, and work place abolish sex, people can identify sex by themselves allow trans people to compete like who they identify in any sports allow trans people access to any public restroom, changing room to the sex they identify
漏了 give free healthcare to illegals open border abolish ice do not prosecute any rioters and looters high tax (looking at California) expand green energy, reduce natural gas (looking at California) AA in college, and work place abolish sex, people can identify sex by themselves allow trans people to compete like who they identify in any sports allow trans people access to any public restroom, changing room to the sex they identify 扶苏 发表于 2020-09-21 12:35
漏了 give free healthcare to illegals open border abolish ice do not prosecute any rioters and looters high tax (looking at California) expand green energy, reduce natural gas (looking at California) AA in college, and work place abolish sex, people can identify sex by themselves allow trans people to compete like who they identify in any sports allow trans people access to any public restroom, changing room to the sex they identify 扶苏 发表于 2020-09-21 12:35
• Make election day a federal holiday • Statehood for DC and the five US territories (American Samoa, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands) which will take the Senate up to 112, plus at least 1 House seat per new state • Adjust House allocations of seats and the 435 cap • End the filibuster • Expand Supreme Court • End gerrymandering • Improve ballot access and restore voting rights • Abolish electoral college cnisfx 发表于 2020-09-21 11:01
make election day a federal holiday.... 哈哈，又多一天假，不错。
漏了 give free healthcare to illegals open border abolish ice do not prosecute any rioters and looters high tax (looking at California) expand green energy, reduce natural gas (looking at California) AA in college, and work place abolish sex, people can identify sex by themselves allow trans people to compete like who they identify in any sports allow trans people access to any public restroom, changing room to the sex they identify 扶苏 发表于 2020-09-21 12:35
漏了 give free healthcare to illegals open border abolish ice do not prosecute any rioters and looters high tax (looking at California) expand green energy, reduce natural gas (looking at California) AA in college, and work place abolish sex, people can identify sex by themselves allow trans people to compete like who they identify in any sports allow trans people access to any public restroom, changing room to the sex they identify 扶苏 发表于 2020-09-21 12:35
漏了 give free healthcare to illegals open border abolish ice do not prosecute any rioters and looters high tax (looking at California) expand green energy, reduce natural gas (looking at California) AA in college, and work place abolish sex, people can identify sex by themselves allow trans people to compete like who they identify in any sports allow trans people access to any public restroom, changing room to the sex they identify 扶苏 发表于 2020-09-21 12:35
FULL of FAKE NEWS! I just did one google search to fact-check "abolish ice" and found below, you = LIAR DECEIVER BLUFFER
Have Democrats announced plans to abolish one of the nation’s immigration enforcement agencies if they win the 2020 presidential election? That’s the headline of a March 11 story on yournewswire.com, but the text of the story did not support that claim, offering only calls from editorial writers and no presidential politicians as evidence. Some left-leaning media outlets, immigrant rights advocates and a former spokesman for the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign have suggested ending U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, but that’s different from claiming it will be part of a candidate’s platform. Here’s more to the story and it’s misleading headline. "Senior Democrats have announced plans to completely abolish ICE if a Democratic candidate wins the presidential election in 2020,". "According to sources within the DNC, the abolition of the nation’s immigration enforcement agency looks likely to become a primary campaign issue in the Democrats’ 2020 presidential primary." No sources were named. We reached out to the Democratic National Committee for comment but did not get a response. The story includes a few sentences contradicting its overarching claim. It said that Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., was asked on MSNBC if ICE should exist, and that her answer — "certainly" — "sparked a backlash among some liberals." (In the interview, Harris said undocumented immigrants should be deported if they commit serious and violent offenses. "ICE has a purpose. ICE has a role. ICE should exist.")
FULL of FAKE NEWS! I just did one google research to fact-check "abolish ice" and found below, you = LIAR DECEIVER BLUFFER Have Democrats announced plans to abolish one of the nation’s immigration enforcement agencies if they win the 2020 presidential election? That’s the headline of a March 11 story on yournewswire.com, but the text of the story did not support that claim, offering only calls from editorial writers and no presidential politicians as evidence. Some left-leaning media outlets, immigrant rights advocates and a former spokesman for the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign have suggested ending U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, but that’s different from claiming it will be part of a candidate’s platform. Here’s more to the story and it’s misleading headline. "Senior Democrats have announced plans to completely abolish ICE if a Democratic candidate wins the presidential election in 2020,". "According to sources within the DNC, the abolition of the nation’s immigration enforcement agency looks likely to become a primary campaign issue in the Democrats’ 2020 presidential primary." No sources were named. We reached out to the Democratic National Committee for comment but did not get a response. The story includes a few sentences contradicting its overarching claim. It said that Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., was asked on MSNBC if ICE should exist, and that her answer — "certainly" — "sparked a backlash among some liberals." (In the interview, Harris said undocumented immigrants should be deported if they commit serious and violent offenses. "ICE has a purpose. ICE has a role. ICE should exist.") bcg 发表于 2020-09-21 13:47
Oh yeah you just keep misleading and misinforming, do you really understand the word "abolish" ? Even in your link, all those senators are (were since it is a 2018 news) asking for changes with words like:
SenatorsKirsten Gillibrand of New York "I don't think ICE today is working as intended," Gillibrand said Thursday night on CNN's "Cuomo PrimeTime." "I believe that it has become a deportation force, and I think you should separate the criminal justice from the immigration issues." Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts In a Facebook post on Saturday, Warren wrote, "The President's deeply immoral actions have made it obvious that we need to rebuild our immigration system from top to bottom, starting by replacing ICE with something that reflects our values," a line that mirrored her statements in a speech at a protest in Boston. House membersMark Pocan of Wisconsin "From conducting raids at garden centers, and meatpacking plants, to breaking up families at churches and schools, ICE is tearing apart families and ripping the moral fabric of our nation," he said in a statement.Pramila Jayapal of Washington "We need to set up a commission that looks at the alternatives to ICE and really starts to understand how do we have these functions in a way that is accountable, transparent and humane," Jayapal told The Hill. Earl Blumenauer of Oregon "We should be prioritizing the protection of families and our borders in a humane and thoughtful way. People should be treated with compassion and respect. ICE is simply not doing that," Blumenauer said in a statement. "Trump and his administration have made the agency so toxic that it's time to abolish ICE, and start over." Jim McGovern of Massachusetts "We need to start a fresh conversation. If there are elements that work, we can maintain and strengthen those aspects. Otherwise, we need to thoroughly reevaluate and re-think immigration enforcement," he said in a post to his website. Rep. Nydia Velázquez of New York "While eliminating ICE would be an important step, it alone is not enough to halt Donald Trump's deportation machine," she said in a statement. "This Administration is attacking immigrants on a multitude of fronts and we must resist on all of them. That includes reuniting and releasing families separated at the border, ending family detention and passing protections for Dreamers and TPS recipients."
Oh yeah you just keep misleading and misinforming, do you really understand the word "abolish" ? Even in your link, all those senators are (were since it is a 2018 news) asking for changes with words like:
SenatorsKirsten Gillibrand of New York "I don''t think ICE today is working as intended," Gillibrand said Thursday night on CNN''s "Cuomo PrimeTime." "I believe that it has become a deportation force, and I think you should separate the criminal justice from the immigration issues." Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts In a Facebook post on Saturday, Warren wrote, "The President''s deeply immoral actions have made it obvious that we need to rebuild our immigration system from top to bottom, starting by replacing ICE with something that reflects our values," a line that mirrored her statements in a speech at a protest in Boston. House membersMark Pocan of Wisconsin "From conducting raids at garden centers, and meatpacking plants, to breaking up families at churches and schools, ICE is tearing apart families and ripping the moral fabric of our nation," he said in a statement.Pramila Jayapal of Washington "We need to set up a commission that looks at the alternatives to ICE and really starts to understand how do we have these functions in a way that is accountable, transparent and humane," Jayapal told The Hill. Earl Blumenauer of Oregon "We should be prioritizing the protection of families and our borders in a humane and thoughtful way. People should be treated with compassion and respect. ICE is simply not doing that," Blumenauer said in a statement. "Trump and his administration have made the agency so toxic that it''s time to abolish ICE, and start over." Jim McGovern of Massachusetts "We need to start a fresh conversation. If there are elements that work, we can maintain and strengthen those aspects. Otherwise, we need to thoroughly reevaluate and re-think immigration enforcement," he said in a post to his website. Rep. Nydia Velázquez of New York "While eliminating ICE would be an important step, it alone is not enough to halt Donald Trump''s deportation machine," she said in a statement. "This Administration is attacking immigrants on a multitude of fronts and we must resist on all of them. That includes reuniting and releasing families separated at the border, ending family detention and passing protections for Dreamers and TPS recipients."
算了，也不劳烦您找了，我找给你看，民主党最官方的吧： https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/the-issues/immigration-reform/ Thanks to President Obama, hundreds of thousands of DREAMers have been able to receive a temporary status that allows them to study, work, pay taxes, and contribute to the communities they grew up in. His administration has made a tremendous difference by prioritizing immigration enforcement so that it is focused on those with criminal records and doesn’t arbitrarily separate families, and Democrats are fighting to protect that progress. 这就是民主党目前的大方向，如果你说支持，我觉得也没有什么问题，尤其是不要家庭分离。这是ICE被要求解散的最主要原因。 但是，有些人并不同意，他们认为，非法移民就是非法的，如果被发现，应该通过法律途径处置乃至遣返。那在处置的过程中，如果需要对其进行羁押待审，由于羁押的地方没法带着小孩的，这样小孩就被家庭分离了。这个问题的核心其实是，非法移民在进入美国过程中违反法律的行为，到底算不算违法？值不值得被追究法律责任？追究了法律责任是否应该视同其他违法行为一样处理？（一般人对比如抢劫之类的行为违法了，小孩扔在家里犯事儿的大人关监狱，应该没意见吧？）有人会说，非法移民不同于一般犯罪，没有伤害到其他人。这个其实不好说，有些人的确认为他们的生活受到了非法移民这个违法行为的伤害。 所以，在双方看来，Abolish ICE的意义其实不一样。不能说是完全造谣。对于反对非法移民的选民来说，民主党的确致力于解散正在执行他们所支持的行动的ICE。 但是我在前面帖子也讲过了，我也不同意危言耸听的大字报式宣传。
Long story short, they want a reform to separate I (immigration) from CE (Customs Enforcement, mostly dealing with cross-border crime). Not sure if you have read a recent news regarding detainee mistreatment, that would give you some ideas. Even ICE itself has recognized that it needs reform since 2009 and apparently it SHOULD BE more than just detention reform: https://www.ice.gov/detention-reform Another suggested reading for you: https://www.thirdway.org/memo/six-things-congress-should-do-to-reform-ice Conclusion The manner in which ICE is currently operating cannot continue. Yet simply eliminating an agency tasked to enforce our country’s laws will not resolve these systemic problems. Instead, Congress should act swiftly to improve oversight and transparency at the agency, while also providing more targeted support to improve the efficiency—and humanity—of its work. Taken together, these reform efforts could greatly improve conditions within ICE for both those who work there and everyone who comes into contact with the agency.
算了，也不劳烦您找了，我找给你看，民主党最官方的吧： https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/the-issues/immigration-reform/ Thanks to President Obama, hundreds of thousands of DREAMers have been able to receive a temporary status that allows them to study, work, pay taxes, and contribute to the communities they grew up in. His administration has made a tremendous difference by prioritizing immigration enforcement so that it is focused on those with criminal records and doesn’t arbitrarily separate families, and Democrats are fighting to protect that progress. 这就是民主党目前的大方向，如果你说支持，我觉得也没有什么问题，尤其是不要家庭分离。这是ICE被要求解散的最主要原因。 但是，有些人并不同意，他们认为，非法移民就是非法的，如果被发现，应该通过法律途径处置乃至遣返。那在处置的过程中，如果需要对其进行羁押待审，由于羁押的地方没法带着小孩的，这样小孩就被家庭分离了。这个问题的核心其实是，非法移民在进入美国过程中违反法律的行为，到底算不算违法？值不值得被追究法律责任？追究了法律责任是否应该视同其他违法行为一样处理？（一般人对比如抢劫之类的行为违法了，小孩扔在家里犯事儿的大人关监狱，应该没意见吧？）有人会说，非法移民不同于一般犯罪，没有伤害到其他人。这个其实不好说，有些人的确认为他们的生活受到了非法移民这个违法行为的伤害。 所以，在双方看来，Abolish ICE的意义其实不一样。不能说是完全造谣。对于反对非法移民的选民来说，民主党的确致力于解散正在执行他们所支持的行动的ICE。 但是我在前面帖子也讲过了，我也不同意危言耸听的大字报式宣传。 Eskandar 发表于 2020-09-21 14:26
You are completely mixing ICE reform with immigration reform...... Okay you are from Canada, long way to learn.
Long story short, they want a reform to separate I (immigration) from CE (Customs Enforcement, mostly dealing with cross-border crime). Not sure if you have read a recent news regarding detainee mistreatment, that would give you some ideas. Even ICE itself has recognized that it needs reform since 2009 and apparently it SHOULD BE more than just detention reform: https://www.ice.gov/detention-reform Another suggested reading for you: https://www.thirdway.org/memo/six-things-congress-should-do-to-reform-ice Conclusion The manner in which ICE is currently operating cannot continue. Yet simply eliminating an agency tasked to enforce our country’s laws will not resolve these systemic problems. Instead, Congress should act swiftly to improve oversight and transparency at the agency, while also providing more targeted support to improve the efficiency—and humanity—of its work. Taken together, these reform efforts could greatly improve conditions within ICE for both those who work there and everyone who comes into contact with the agency. bcg 发表于 2020-09-21 14:32
You are completely mixing ICE reform with immigration reform...... Okay you are from Canada, long way to learn. bcg 发表于 2020-09-21 14:33
Ocasio-Cortez wants to abolish ICE Newsroom Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a 28-year-old Democrat who ousted incumbent Rep. Joe Crowley, explains why she wants to abolish US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. Source: CNN
Ocasio-Cortez wants to abolish ICE Newsroom Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a 28-year-old Democrat who ousted incumbent Rep. Joe Crowley, explains why she wants to abolish US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. Source: CNN
lol your verbal attack does not work and only shows how LOW you are. I don''''''''t approve AOC and even in the interview, she said we should REPLACE ICE with a humane agency, that''''''''s what she really meant by abolishing. I bet you only read the title with "abolish" and can''t wait to start disinformation. So pathetic.
lol your verbal attack does not work and only shows how LOW you are. I don''''''''''''''''t approve AOC and even in the interview, she said we should REPLACE ICE with a humane agency, that''''''''''''''''s what she really meant by abolishing. I bet you only read the title with "abolish" and can''''t wait to start disinformation. So pathetic.
bcg 发表于 2020-09-21 14:50
你别胡搅蛮缠秀智商了。 不管AOC abolish的本意是什么，她当初喊的口号就是abolish ICE，所以说猪党的方向是abolish ICE哪里是造谣了？ 左派的媒体，政客和抗议者全都用abolish ice的口号，你凭什么说abolish ice就是造谣？ How Kirsten Gillibrand went from pushing for more deportations to wanting to abolish ICE By Andrew Kaczynski Updated 12:36 PM ET, Thu January 31, 2019 Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand joins race for president Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand... Source: CNN Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand joins race for president 01:58 (CNN)With Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand entering the 2020 presidential race on Tuesday, her dramatic shift on the issue of immigration over the past decade will likely be one of the central questions about her candidacy as she seeks to take on President Donald Trump.
你别胡搅蛮缠秀智商了。 不管AOC abolish的本意是什么，她当初喊的口号就是abolish ICE，所以说猪党的方向是abolish ICE哪里是造谣了？ 左派的媒体，政客和抗议者全都用abolish ice的口号，你凭什么说abolish ice就是造谣？ How Kirsten Gillibrand went from pushing for more deportations to wanting to abolish ICE By Andrew Kaczynski Updated 12:36 PM ET, Thu January 31, 2019 Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand joins race for president Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand... Source: CNN Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand joins race for president 01:58 (CNN)With Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand entering the 2020 presidential race on Tuesday, her dramatic shift on the issue of immigration over the past decade will likely be one of the central questions about her candidacy as she seeks to take on President Donald Trump.
漏了 give free healthcare to illegals open border abolish ice do not prosecute any rioters and looters high tax (looking at California) expand green energy, reduce natural gas (looking at California) AA in college, and work place abolish sex, people can identify sex by themselves allow trans people to compete like who they identify in any sports allow trans people access to any public restroom, changing room to the sex they identify 扶苏 发表于 2020-09-21 12:35
Oh yeah you just keep misleading and misinforming, do you really understand the word "abolish" ? Even in your link, all those senators are (were since it is a 2018 news) asking for changes with words like:
SenatorsKirsten Gillibrand of New York "I don't think ICE today is working as intended," Gillibrand said Thursday night on CNN's "Cuomo PrimeTime." "I believe that it has become a deportation force, and I think you should separate the criminal justice from the immigration issues." Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts In a Facebook post on Saturday, Warren wrote, "The President's deeply immoral actions have made it obvious that we need to rebuild our immigration system from top to bottom, starting by replacing ICE with something that reflects our values," a line that mirrored her statements in a speech at a protest in Boston. House membersMark Pocan of Wisconsin "From conducting raids at garden centers, and meatpacking plants, to breaking up families at churches and schools, ICE is tearing apart families and ripping the moral fabric of our nation," he said in a statement.Pramila Jayapal of Washington "We need to set up a commission that looks at the alternatives to ICE and really starts to understand how do we have these functions in a way that is accountable, transparent and humane," Jayapal told The Hill. Earl Blumenauer of Oregon "We should be prioritizing the protection of families and our borders in a humane and thoughtful way. People should be treated with compassion and respect. ICE is simply not doing that," Blumenauer said in a statement. "Trump and his administration have made the agency so toxic that it's time to abolish ICE, and start over." Jim McGovern of Massachusetts "We need to start a fresh conversation. If there are elements that work, we can maintain and strengthen those aspects. Otherwise, we need to thoroughly reevaluate and re-think immigration enforcement," he said in a post to his website. Rep. Nydia Velázquez of New York "While eliminating ICE would be an important step, it alone is not enough to halt Donald Trump's deportation machine," she said in a statement. "This Administration is attacking immigrants on a multitude of fronts and we must resist on all of them. That includes reuniting and releasing families separated at the border, ending family detention and passing protections for Dreamers and TPS recipients."
Long story short, they want a reform to separate I (immigration) from CE (Customs Enforcement, mostly dealing with cross-border crime). Not sure if you have read a recent news regarding detainee mistreatment, that would give you some ideas. Even ICE itself has recognized that it needs reform since 2009 and apparently it SHOULD BE more than just detention reform: https://www.ice.gov/detention-reform Another suggested reading for you: https://www.thirdway.org/memo/six-things-congress-should-do-to-reform-ice Conclusion The manner in which ICE is currently operating cannot continue. Yet simply eliminating an agency tasked to enforce our country’s laws will not resolve these systemic problems. Instead, Congress should act swiftly to improve oversight and transparency at the agency, while also providing more targeted support to improve the efficiency—and humanity—of its work. Taken together, these reform efforts could greatly improve conditions within ICE for both those who work there and everyone who comes into contact with the agency. bcg 发表于 2020-09-21 14:32
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re 这么造谣 不觉得和华人女德班班长人设不符么。oh wait，这一套和女德班的哲学刚好契合。牛掰牛掰。
没有组织和倡议的网络评控活动， 就像你也说过的在机场景点看到法轮功，这类活动才是需要组织安排的。（时间地点需要安排，连人员都不一定组织，自发前往）。 法轮功学员有自己的生活，所以有些会上网看论坛，看社交媒体，在这些地方， 爱说不说， 爱去哪儿说哪儿说。 想说什么说什么。 哦对了，法轮功学员发自内心肯定不会说挺共和亲共的言论。 所以你要是统计一下，应该算是有倾向性的吧。 非要说评控，我觉得在大纪元网页上，会对网友评论控制一下，因为有些亲共的人骂的脏话有碍观瞻，不得不删掉，这个也是明文写出来的规定。
消毒水。。。🤮，我对她印象最深就是裤子问题，还有两天前一再的说华裔被歧视只出现在兰州，红州根本没有，在我给了她一堆case之后。
我记得她赞誉喝消毒水的建议是大胆尝试勇于创新（大意啊），然后有id说她曾经说警察无论开多少枪即便没有受到威胁都是合法的（这个我没有亲眼目睹）。好像很多语录，听说也在心版发帖爱灌心灵鸡汤。
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give free healthcare to illegals open border abolish ice do not prosecute any rioters and looters high tax (looking at California) expand green energy, reduce natural gas (looking at California) AA in college, and work place abolish sex, people can identify sex by themselves allow trans people to compete like who they identify in any sports allow trans people access to any public restroom, changing room to the sex they identify
有一条保证主党不敢加，就是议员要有任期。当然，和党也不会加就是了。 老川好像提过。呵呵呵。
取消401k
make election day a federal holiday....
哈哈，又多一天假，不错。
生命不息。造谣不止。
赞。
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自己youtube上主党Primary办的几场辩论不就完了。这个负责任的说，我还是看了几场的。他们的政见和立场都说的很清楚了。
自己看主党的primary。
人家听不懂，别为难他们了。
FULL of FAKE NEWS!
I just did one google search to fact-check "abolish ice" and found below, you = LIAR DECEIVER BLUFFER
Have Democrats announced plans to abolish one of the nation’s immigration enforcement agencies if they win the 2020 presidential election? That’s the headline of a March 11 story on yournewswire.com, but the text of the story did not support that claim, offering only calls from editorial writers and no presidential politicians as evidence. Some left-leaning media outlets, immigrant rights advocates and a former spokesman for the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign have suggested ending U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, but that’s different from claiming it will be part of a candidate’s platform. Here’s more to the story and it’s misleading headline. "Senior Democrats have announced plans to completely abolish ICE if a Democratic candidate wins the presidential election in 2020,". "According to sources within the DNC, the abolition of the nation’s immigration enforcement agency looks likely to become a primary campaign issue in the Democrats’ 2020 presidential primary." No sources were named. We reached out to the Democratic National Committee for comment but did not get a response. The story includes a few sentences contradicting its overarching claim. It said that Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., was asked on MSNBC if ICE should exist, and that her answer — "certainly" — "sparked a backlash among some liberals." (In the interview, Harris said undocumented immigrants should be deported if they commit serious and violent offenses. "ICE has a purpose. ICE has a role. ICE should exist.")
看到有网友要source的，这里可以给几个： Make election day a federal holiday： https://www.sanders.senate.gov/democracyday
Statehood for DC and the five US territories，这里主要是DC和波多黎各 https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/26/opinions/dc-statehood-puerto-rico-democrats-priority-hemmer/index.html
End the filibuster https://www.yang2020.com/policies/end-the-filibuster/
Expand Supreme Court https://www.npr.org/sections/death-of-ruth-bader-ginsburg/2020/09/20/915048049/if-republicans-confirm-new-justice-scholars-say-democratic-court-packing-is-poss
End Gerrymandering https://www.yang2020.com/policies/end-gerrymandering/
注意上面的source都来自于非保守派媒体，或者民主党成员的自己官方网站，不能算造谣吧。
可不可以再扯一点 欺负这里没几个人看初选辩论就可以造谣么 几场辩论我都看了。从初选温和派Biden, Mayor Pete, Amy Klobuchar 支持面大就知道，民主党主流与基本盘实际上希望保持温和派。而且即使激进派也没有说什么open border 之类，激进派代表Bernie 还有杨安泽最关心的是贫富分化日渐加大，希望通过医保与收最富有的公司、个人所得税来拉低贫富差距---社会贫富差距加大才是动荡根源。
主楼的不是，是有这个提议---虽然离实现距离长短不一。 某层层主那些是纯粹胡扯。
上面网友 扶苏 发的内容，的确有些值得商榷，危言耸听是政治宣传中的大忌。 但你这里讲的Abolish ICE这一条，我这里有个source，CNN的 https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/02/politics/abolish-ice-democrats-list/index.html 里面是各种要求abolish ice的议员名单。 没错，Harris要求的是改革。 但你不能说民主党内没有要求abolish的声音吧。如果民主党当选，内部必然会有各种妥协，abolish ice也许，可能是一种妥协结果。
Oh yeah you just keep misleading and misinforming, do you really understand the word "abolish" ?
Even in your link, all those senators are (were since it is a 2018 news) asking for changes with words like:
Senators Kirsten Gillibrand of New York "I don't think ICE today is working as intended," Gillibrand said Thursday night on CNN's "Cuomo PrimeTime." "I believe that it has become a deportation force, and I think you should separate the criminal justice from the immigration issues." Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts In a Facebook post on Saturday, Warren wrote, "The President's deeply immoral actions have made it obvious that we need to rebuild our immigration system from top to bottom, starting by replacing ICE with something that reflects our values," a line that mirrored her statements in a speech at a protest in Boston.
House members Mark Pocan of Wisconsin "From conducting raids at garden centers, and meatpacking plants, to breaking up families at churches and schools, ICE is tearing apart families and ripping the moral fabric of our nation," he said in a statement. Pramila Jayapal of Washington "We need to set up a commission that looks at the alternatives to ICE and really starts to understand how do we have these functions in a way that is accountable, transparent and humane," Jayapal told The Hill. Earl Blumenauer of Oregon "We should be prioritizing the protection of families and our borders in a humane and thoughtful way. People should be treated with compassion and respect. ICE is simply not doing that," Blumenauer said in a statement. "Trump and his administration have made the agency so toxic that it's time to abolish ICE, and start over." Jim McGovern of Massachusetts "We need to start a fresh conversation. If there are elements that work, we can maintain and strengthen those aspects. Otherwise, we need to thoroughly reevaluate and re-think immigration enforcement," he said in a post to his website. Rep. Nydia Velázquez of New York "While eliminating ICE would be an important step, it alone is not enough to halt Donald Trump's deportation machine," she said in a statement. "This Administration is attacking immigrants on a multitude of fronts and we must resist on all of them. That includes reuniting and releasing families separated at the border, ending family detention and passing protections for Dreamers and TPS recipients."
不用标那么多highlight啦，我英文阅读速度很快的，不会干搜了个标题马上贴过来的蠢事儿。 就是想说解散了现有的重新来过，不算解散的意思么。 既然你谈到这么多了， ICE是干啥的？干了什么会被要求解散？ 民主党希望建立什么样的机构替代它，新的机构会如何处理非法移民问题？ 如果你能找到问题的答案，那请分享一下，我也学习学习。 如果找不到，那就等于说：我要解散ICE建个新的，新的啥样我还没想好。 那不就等于先解散了再说么。
算了，也不劳烦您找了，我找给你看，民主党最官方的吧： https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/the-issues/immigration-reform/
Thanks to President Obama, hundreds of thousands of DREAMers have been able to receive a temporary status that allows them to study, work, pay taxes, and contribute to the communities they grew up in. His administration has made a tremendous difference by prioritizing immigration enforcement so that it is focused on those with criminal records and doesn’t arbitrarily separate families, and Democrats are fighting to protect that progress.
这就是民主党目前的大方向，如果你说支持，我觉得也没有什么问题，尤其是不要家庭分离。这是ICE被要求解散的最主要原因。
但是，有些人并不同意，他们认为，非法移民就是非法的，如果被发现，应该通过法律途径处置乃至遣返。那在处置的过程中，如果需要对其进行羁押待审，由于羁押的地方没法带着小孩的，这样小孩就被家庭分离了。这个问题的核心其实是，非法移民在进入美国过程中违反法律的行为，到底算不算违法？值不值得被追究法律责任？追究了法律责任是否应该视同其他违法行为一样处理？（一般人对比如抢劫之类的行为违法了，小孩扔在家里犯事儿的大人关监狱，应该没意见吧？）有人会说，非法移民不同于一般犯罪，没有伤害到其他人。这个其实不好说，有些人的确认为他们的生活受到了非法移民这个违法行为的伤害。
所以，在双方看来，Abolish ICE的意义其实不一样。不能说是完全造谣。对于反对非法移民的选民来说，民主党的确致力于解散正在执行他们所支持的行动的ICE。 但是我在前面帖子也讲过了，我也不同意危言耸听的大字报式宣传。
哪条造谣也不说。就会贴标签，猪党一贯做法。
Long story short, they want a reform to separate I (immigration) from CE (Customs Enforcement, mostly dealing with cross-border crime). Not sure if you have read a recent news regarding detainee mistreatment, that would give you some ideas.
Even ICE itself has recognized that it needs reform since 2009 and apparently it SHOULD BE more than just detention reform: https://www.ice.gov/detention-reform
Another suggested reading for you: https://www.thirdway.org/memo/six-things-congress-should-do-to-reform-ice
Conclusion The manner in which ICE is currently operating cannot continue. Yet simply eliminating an agency tasked to enforce our country’s laws will not resolve these systemic problems. Instead, Congress should act swiftly to improve oversight and transparency at the agency, while also providing more targeted support to improve the efficiency—and humanity—of its work. Taken together, these reform efforts could greatly improve conditions within ICE for both those who work there and everyone who comes into contact with the agency.
You are completely mixing ICE reform with immigration reform......
Okay you are from Canada, long way to learn.
这个我没有意见，即使是羁押，也不能虐待。所以需要加大监管力度，一定程度的改革。 不过关于“家庭分离”这个问题，我在后面帖子讲了,的确值得讨论。 不家庭分离，实质上就是不执行羁押拘留。一个事实的两种说法而已。
The pants' brand name.
Ocasio-Cortez wants to abolish ICE Newsroom Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a 28-year-old Democrat who ousted incumbent Rep. Joe Crowley, explains why she wants to abolish US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. Source: CNN
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/06/27/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-abolish-ice-newsroom-sot-vpx.cnn
别胡搅蛮缠了，AOC当初喊的abolish ICE的口号，采访的时候都没有否认。
哦？ 这个论坛上不是早就把法轮功都划进川普支持者的阵营了么？ 你这个ID川粉轮子合在一起叫也不是第一次吧？ 啥叫“开始”，“公开”？ 这么健忘？还是说ID后面换人了？
Apparently you are incapable of reading a broader coverage of news in English.
还挺能倒打一耙呢，当初希拉里助选团的主要干事， steven_chen就是一个政避轮子。 顶层轮子支持Trump是因为他能怼tg。但来美国的政避轮子99.9999%都是假的，都是吃福利的。 Trump上台砍福利，这些政避轮子全都是反川的主力军。
steven_chen
OP06/04/2016
我来美国快三十年。在困难的时候, 我碰到过无数的好人。他们毫无所求地帮助过我。他们当中有的是台湾来的华人, 有白人, 菲律宾人, 非裔, 西裔, 大陆来的华人, 还包括那些间接帮助过我的美国纳税人。(我来美后享受到一些美国的福利。) 我无法直接一一报答他们。所以我只能感谢整个美国以及在这片土地上的所有的人。我竭尽所能地帮助所有的人。把我接受到的爱传递下去。这是我最大的快乐。
别绣你蹩脚英文了。AOC自己都没否认abolish ICE
以前川粉和轮子还装一装，后来策略改变了，直接公开了，哈哈
lol your verbal attack does not work and only shows how LOW you are. I don''''''''t approve AOC and even in the interview, she said we should REPLACE ICE with a humane agency, that''''''''s what she really meant by abolishing.
I bet you only read the title with "abolish" and can''t wait to start disinformation.
So pathetic.
明白。 讲不下去了就开始：啊，这是个川粉，这是个轮子 （画外音：别听他们的，他们都是SB） 继续。
以前你们互相洗白打掩护，大家只是怀疑你们穿一条裤子，现在你们干脆公开了，这有什么好说的呢，围观群众表示喜闻乐见，祝川粉和轮子相亲相爱，百年好合，永不分离😂
你别胡搅蛮缠秀智商了。 不管AOC abolish的本意是什么，她当初喊的口号就是abolish ICE，所以说猪党的方向是abolish ICE哪里是造谣了？
左派的媒体，政客和抗议者全都用abolish ice的口号，你凭什么说abolish ice就是造谣？ How Kirsten Gillibrand went from pushing for more deportations to wanting to abolish ICE
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand joins race for president Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand... Source: CNN Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand joins race for president 01:58 (CNN)With Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand entering the 2020 presidential race on Tuesday, her dramatic shift on the issue of immigration over the past decade will likely be one of the central questions about her candidacy as she seeks to take on President Donald Trump.
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没事儿，别陷入他们的口水仗 我一开始是看这位说英文的网友还贴点事实例证，所以尝试和他沟通一下。 不过貌似他到目前为止都回避了我关于民主党政策实质的回帖， 那就算了吧。 大概他觉得：这个轮子不值得一战，哼！
老鼠，老虎，傻傻分不清楚。。。
川粉居然投靠了轮子，真是快乐源泉😂
前几天说川粉靠微信的来看看，猪党粉自己建立了多少助选群，这论坛上多少吃福利吃不到的上来带节奏的。
明明是你搞不懂ice reform，连ice是什么都不知道，错了就错了，至于这么阿Q吗
啥叫怀疑？
不是之前有人公开问过我了么。
大纪元是不是法轮功学员创办的媒体？是。
大纪元是不是公开支持Trump连任的媒体？是，尤其是英文大纪元。
你支不支持Trump竞选连任？我个人支持。
法轮功支不支持Trump竞选连任？法轮功作为修炼团体没有态度，Trump不能帮助法轮功学员打坐入定。但是鉴于Trump对中共的打击力度，很多法轮功学员为了解除对法轮功的迫害，尤其是大陆众多法轮功学员的迫害，愿意支持他继续。
有啥好怀疑的？又有啥不能公开的？
倒是有些人，自称是民主党的支持者，却在中共问题上躲躲闪闪，不敢正面回应，不知啥原因。
助选群又不是什么新闻，自古有之，我只好奇你们的新策略是跟轮子一起上街摆摊吗，毕竟现在你们是一家人了
你比川粉坦荡多了，男（女）友力爆棚，难怪川粉选择抱你们大法伦的大腿🦵😂
好吧，你说说ICE是什么吧？ Family Separation是不是目前ICE最被攻击的一点？ Family Separation的实质是不是我在帖子里说的吧？ 你甚至不直接引用回复我解释民主党官方政策，以及相应解读的那个帖子， 如果是有意这样做的话，小技巧用的不错么。
助选群的干事很多吃福利的政避轮子。你也是没福利吃了？
基本逻辑问题，我们要拆掉这座公园，在原地建造一个更漂亮的公园 vs 我们要拆掉这个公园，是不是一回事？
我不是民主党的支持者，本人纯川黑，你有福利吃了不起吗，我们纳税人的钱就是让你们吃太撑了😂
话说你也是轮子还是跟轮子一条裤子的川粉而已啊？
人家喊口罩时可没在口号里喊建一个漂亮的公园。 别人贴你喊的口号有什么问题？
正版法轮学员素质把川粉都比下去了，哈哈
我交的税够你吃一辈子粮的。 你是跟吃福利的假轮子穿一条裤子的川黑？
不让人断章取义，人还怎么危言耸听你说是吧
啊哈哈，谢谢夸赞。 大腿不敢当，川普支持者比法轮功多了去了。 哦对了，有个奇怪的事儿，你是不是打不出 法轮功 三个字啊？ 为啥要么是轮子，要么写法轮，还是变成了法伦。 嗯，我可以帮你想个解释：我经常在国内论坛发帖，那里打不出法轮功三个字，所以久而久之我的输入法也就变成法伦功了。 哈哈，这个问题可能是我过于敏感了，如果说错了什么，先在这里跟您道歉。
编辑：道歉。我看到您打出法轮两个字了，我想多了。
妄想症是天生的还是变成川粉以后develop的？😂你们和轮子是在秀恩爱吗？
参见30楼，其实和你前几天帖的那个四个提案一起过有异曲同工之妙，都是以片面资料来混淆视听。
轮子言简意赅，不好吗？我觉得挺好的，都到了美国了还不能学会尊重别人的言论自由啊，这位大法轮学员？
所以你也知道是口号？承认了口号拿来当政策混淆视听咯？ 口号maga是什么政策啊，一句口号也能激发千万种理解呢
也不知道是故意的，还就是资料不查只会复制转帖
谢谢您夸赞，还承认我有那么一点素质。 在美国谈啥步调一致啊，想步调一致的话，就回国去接受党的领导喽。
事实上我之前真发了个贴呼吁，不要叫猪党这样明显谩骂的名字（当然也提了，别叫川粉啊，轮子啊啥的），不过被几个对法轮功特别“感兴趣”的网友给歪楼成了，IAmA/AMA 了。
这问题不是讨论过么，你（带有一点鄙视）地叫我轮子，我没啥意见啊。比这难听的冲着我鼻子骂的我也见过。 不过就像你说的，我是正版的嘛，就希望你别把轮子的帽子瞎扣给其他人就好。 潜水这么多年，冒出来，就是为了轮子这个筐里面，别啥都往里装。我有这点愿望，你也理解一下？
发现你有两个特色，联想能力异常丰富，和说话总爱带私货。话说你好像潜水挺久了，这次出来在华人上反共是你自己的意思，还是你宗教的意思？
呦，您来喽。 结论下的挺快，不过没啥意义。讲话不都是为了表明自己的想法么，非要说是私货，那就私货吧。讲话都是公货的，我看是新闻联播的播音员吧。 我可真不敢当，还我宗教的意思？这点儿小事儿，还犯不上我去和谁请示上报然后再来执行。 另外说，来华人上反共？ 这个帖子本来跟反共有啥关系？这个帖子在Chiaseed之前和法轮功无关，在您来之前和反共无关。我们在谈ICE呢。 我开宗明义就说了，我反共，而且希望不要把啥都往轮子这个筐里装。但我也知道，不是啥话题都能引到我的这两个主要agenda的，我也就不说。 不过您几位倒是迅速帮我引出主题，不知道的还以为是请来的捧哏呢。
每次都打这么多字，你们是按字数收费的吗？
我发现自己不少新马甲都喜欢说自己潜水很多年，组织培训的？
真的，少看点Tucker Carlson吧😅
人家说了你们不懂，反正就是不给source
感谢科普！有些川粉是故意misleading，有些是不能阅读超过两个单词以上的信息，比如defund police，比如abolish ICE，从来不点进去看人家是要改革不是彻底取消
私人监狱大玩家们除了监狱还有个现金牛是就是通过非法移民拘留中心和ICE。比如川普强推的家庭分离法，从2018年12月到2019年7月至少有六名儿童在与父母分离拘禁期间死亡，但大玩家爸爸们获得了30亿美元的来自纳税人的拨款
带私货呢，就比如你的帖子，开题是我们一起和和气气的讲话吧，然后在结尾加上一起反共吧，你在加拿大那个帖子也这个套路，和轮子在机场找人聊天然后加个退党宣言差不离，这一般人就叫带私货，理解？你们那个机场领馆据你所云都是有组织的，那你们有没有组织在网络自发自动的调控滴？
她一直这个样子的吧，不涉及到政治，堕胎和紧身裤就还好。
紧身裤是啥梗？
愿闻其详
就是这样！夹带私货，当别人看不出来，轮子就是轮子，让人瞧不起就在这里！
不管别人贴多少数据和链接，看也不看，除了懂王twitter，其他都是fake news，川粉一贯做法
她反女生穿legging, 认为穿了和穿bra出街一回事，意图不良云云。去年的一个热帖，讲的有个做母亲写给女生的的公开信，女生穿legging就是在诱惑她家儿子们🤣。
是的，警察改革也是希望对社区服务功能和对抗犯罪功能分开
ICE不愿意改革是因为这是一门大生意。川普上台以后给了ICE前所未有的资源，养肥了他的金主私人监狱爸爸们。这些私人拘留中心有多少，规模多大，分布在哪，公众一概不知。ICE和联邦政府拒绝回答媒体和议员提出的问题
啥叫带私货？ 你刚刚就演示了一下啊，在一堆话里面藏几个故意歪曲或者断章取义的事实，以达到混淆视听的目的，在你的帖子里，你说我的帖子是“我们和和气气讲话吧，然后结尾加上一起反共吧”。又说我什么加拿大的帖子，却不提帖子是什么。用以达到你让其他网友“提防这个人，他是法轮功，他反共！”的目的。
第一我原来那个帖子本来就是大大方方的说：大家和气说话不要互相攻击，免得中了中共的诡计，的帖子。 加拿大的帖子，更是为了揭露某些我觉得为了某些agenda来扰乱美加两边ID沟通交流的意图。
而且最关键的，我不用别人提防我是法轮功我反共啊，我就怕别人不知道呢。
另外啥机场领馆？我可没提这些，你扯这干啥？不过谢谢你在这儿陈述一个事实，法轮功人员长期在领馆和机场义务宣传一些共产党不想别人知道的事儿。
哦，网络评控哦，看来你比我熟（此处夹带一个私货！）。我一没权利删贴，二没给自己的帖子以各种方式造势。我没有能力评控啥。
另外你已经开始词不达意啦，“组织”，和“自发自动”是相反的意思，你到底说法轮功在组织“调控”，还是在自发自动“调控”？
逻辑真好。。。
为什么你认为吃福利的轮子就不会挺川？挺川最重要的分水岭是教育程度
为什么川粉就不能住在蓝州，吃着福利骂民主党？让他们搬去红州和karen kevin交往是绝对不肯的，毕竟只是精神白人不是真的白人，怕真的遭遇歧视
这样啊，难怪。
1，“法轮功作为修炼团体没有态度，Trump不能帮助法轮功学员打坐入定。”
可是他可以和法轮功领导互相交换邪教的经验啊？都是cult leader，都是herd mentality，都是文化程度低的sheep follower
2，“但是鉴于Trump对中共的打击力度”
？？？你是说要求习助他连任；推翻奥巴马打七寸的tpp，贸易战搞了四年逆差新高；说新疆集中营建的好应该继续建；拖着不签两党迅速通过的香港人权法案；不敢叫ccp病毒只知道欺负海华。。。这么打击吗？
说是教育程度有点故意矮化Trump支持者的意思，但关键这一招不好使，没文化挺川的根本不care，有文化挺川的，你说他没文化，他只能笑话你，就跟有些人非要说支持民主党的都是龙虾党一样。
我倒觉得挺川的分水岭是社会阶层，日益萎缩的美国中产，尤其是中等，和偏下的中产，更容易支持Trump，因为他们切实感觉到了承传了很多代的生活方式即将受到的威胁。这就是conservative不愿改变现有方式的意义吧。 如今社会的最上层，他们的财富积累和未来的发展多数和全球化是相关的，所以他们不会希望全球化停下脚步。 中上产的话比较分化，靠上层的会跟上层走，靠中下层的（比如local的企业主，contractor），会跟着中下的想法走。 下层的话，更复杂了，有人想靠福利也不错，也有人想努力跻身中下产自食自力。
所以实际上是社会阶级的矛盾发展到今天的必然结果。我们每个人在不能选择社会阶层的时候，其实也没有太多选择的余地。
说实话，我个人是比较悲观的。中产阶级的消亡似乎是一个不可避免的未来。
法轮功经过这么多年的发展，已经不是纯粹的邪教，而是更往商业盈利性发展了。
川粉根基只有四年，还有很多向前辈学习的地方
repeal and replace就是换了个名字😂
确实搞建保是操着卖白粉的心，拿着卖白菜的政绩，川党是邪恶，不是真傻😂
法轮功领导？这个有点夸张了，法轮功没有那么严密的组织。要说是师父的话，Trump没和师父有过任何形式的交流，否则我自以为我至少会知道的。我能看出您对法轮功有意见，可以理解。 第二条。的确，如果能做到这些的话，对中共的打击更大。他没做到，真是遗憾。 不过我可以问一下，您觉得他应该做这些么？
MAGA：My Ass Got Acquitted
你逻辑真好，川普上台砍福利。吃福利的假轮子政避为什么挺川。
99.99%的政避轮子并不是真的连法轮的反党人员，只是为了拿绿卡而已，反而很多政避老人是支持中国的粉红。
就像这个民主党助选团里的主要干事Steven Chen不就是活生生的吃福利政避轮子反川的典型。
“猪党”里“猪”是侮辱性质的 “川粉”里是”川”有侮辱性质还是”粉”有侮辱性质啊？
求解惑
每次都叫一串“无证据逻辑无理性无脑无条件支持川普的一群人”也很累的
法轮功没有盈利，但是法轮功学员创办的媒体，机构，的确在向合法盈利的方向发展。 您这个建议其实挺好，华人支持共和党的力量，应该更加专业化，多参与当地共和党的组织和政治活动。 至于非要说川粉，撑死了8年而且已经过了4年不是么，没啥意义的。美国目前应该还搞不出终身制的样子。
“无证据逻辑无理性无脑无条件支持川普的一群人”，这个您解释的很全面了，川粉就是这个意思。 不过不是谁都是无脑支持川普吧？所以不要乱扣也没错。 有没有无脑支持的？有。多不多？我觉得没那么多，不过这个大家各有看法就是。 另外我承认，猪党比川粉，在不文明的程度上要严重不少，再次呼吁，别用了。
我打字快啊，没办法。 您觉得我这么些字儿值几个钱？没准您更有经验。
Tucker Carlson忠粉，不知道是不是知道狐狸台律师说的他的观众不希望他说真话
可能还从Breitbart，OANN，4chan，QAnon，大纪元获取信息，兼听则明