既然没有表态支持，那么川粉在那里扯啥prop 47是Kamala主推的，自然就是谎言。。这还不够？ Prop 47不得民心？当时公投，投票可是60/40，压倒性多数赞成。。not even close。。 所以说民心这东西也完全靠不住。。。
前面才看到。。 Prop 47当初也受到Newt Gingrich的大力支持，这可是共和党大佬。。 当然，后来各种负面影响出来后，现在共和党肯定是不认了。。 Newt Gingrich And Jay-Z Find Common Cause In A Prison Reform Proposition https://www.huffpost.com/entry/proposition-47_n_6038310 不过话说回来，现在那些脑子进硫酸的川粉，我都不确定他们能否算共和党，还是仅仅是自恨+崇拜川建国而已
https://www.smobserved.com/story/2019/06/29/crime/sen-kamala-harris-proposing-crime-and-homelessness-for-the-entire-country/3812.html Kamala不仅仅推动，而且向大众掩盖了这些法案的危险性。 Sen. Kamala Harris: Proposing Crime and Homelessness, for the Entire Country When she was Attorney General of the California, Kamala Harris claimed to resist taking sides when voters had ballot initiatives to consider. However, when you look at the language Harris chose to use regarding two recent disastrous propositions, it's hard to argue she remained impartial. It's just as hard to argue she did not tell the people of California egregious lies. These lies have helped lead to the situation we see today, with greatly increased homelessness, increased property crime, and less ability of the police to ensure we live in a clean and safe environment.As Attorney General, Harris was responsible for giving official titles to Propositions 47 (passed 2014) and Proposition 57 (passed 2016). Voters rely on these titles and the short summaries, which are also the responsibility of the Attorney General. Kamala Harris told voters in 2014 that Proposition 14 was "The Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act." Among other reductions in penalties, the law "requires misdemeanor sentence instead of felony for the following crimes when amount involved is $950 or less: petty theft, receiving stolen property, and forging/writing bad checks." It is unclear how reducing shoplifting and theft for amounts less than $950 creates a safe neighborhood. Obviously, it does not. In Santa Monica, we have witnessed unsavory individuals walking into Vons grocery store on Lincoln Boulevard and walking out with whatever food they want - with impunity. The reality is police are unable to arrest 'petty' thieves. If somehow a citizen manages to stop the crime, the police are loath to bother making an arrest because the perpetrators are only committing misdemeanors and will be released - presumably to commit more crimes. But this was how Harris framed the proposed law. In her words, with that title, it sounded like a good thing, reasonable, and a way to clear room in prison for the truly "violent" offenders. The Proposition passed. It did not create safe neighborhoods. Instead, it has kept thieves and drug addicts out on our streets instead of locked up in prison. In our neighborhoods, they can now rob us, act out their anti-social behaviors, and erect tent cities with the associated trash and disease. Harris used similarly disingenuous language two years later, when another prison-emptying proposal was put before voters, Proposition 57. This case was actually far worse. Harris called the proposal "The California Parole for Non-Violent Criminals and Juvenile Court Trial Requirements Initiative." In the summary, Harris told voters "A 'yes' vote supported increasing parole and good behavior opportunities for felons convicted of nonviolent crimes..." What Harris did not tell voters was that she considered the following crimes to be "nonviolent": - Rape by intoxication of an unconscious person (think Stanford swimmer Brock Turner) - Human trafficking involving a sex act with minors - Arson causing great bodily harm - Drive-by shooting - Assault with a deadly weapon - Hostage taking Proposition 57 expressly blocked early release of individuals convicted of 23 specific violent crimes. But as you can see from the above, partial list, there are quite a few inarguably violent crimes that weren't included. Voters were told none of this - neither in the utterly inaccurate (one might call it "whopping lie") of the ballot title nor in the summary. Statistics from 2016 show that, under Proposition 57, the Parole Board has recommended the release of 1,590 inmates who are serving a life sentence. Of those, only 20 percent of the releases have been blocked by Governor Brown. Given Governor Newsome's leanings, it's probable even more of these extraordinarily violent felons will end up back on our streets. The Association of Deputy District Attorneys released an article today regarding a court ruling that Gregory Gadlin must be considered for early release under Proposition 57. Gadlin is not someone you want to meet, even in a crowded public place. In 1980, he raped a pregnant 17-year-old girl. She'd just been assaulted by two females, and he offered to take her to the hospital. Instead, he took her to his home where he hit her in the face, threatened to kill her, raped and sodomized her, and forced her to orally copulate him. In 1986, after serving time for that crime, he raped his 11-year-old niece, forced her to orally copulate him, and urinated in her mouth. Gadlin is currently serving time for assaulting his girlfriend. He slashed her across the face, back, and stomach with a 7-inch butcher knife. This is the "nonviolent" offender Kamala Harris told us was safe to release back into society. As a U.S. Senator and now a candidate for the Democratic Party's nomination for U.S. President, Kamala Harris receives some serious security and protection from "nonviolent" criminals like Gadlin. But what about the rest of us?
回复 210楼springday的帖子 川粉真心不要脸啊。。 Prop 47的官方名称是"Criminal Sentences. Misdemeanor Penalties. Initiative Statute。" 啥the safe neighborhoods and schools act根本就不是Kamala写的官方名称。。。。而是其支持者给的别名。。 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47 Proposition 47, also known by its ballot titleCriminal Sentences. Misdemeanor Penalties. Initiative Statute, was a referendum passed by voters in the state of California on November 4, 2014. The measure was also referred to by its supporters as the Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act. 你们除了造谣抹黑是不是就没其它能力了？
原来拜登还有波罗西向blm下跪，是向blm求婚啊……
我看的是prop 47是她在任时通过的，所以她的态度很关心。所以她到底是什么态度，我还是不知道啊。
你觉得Prop 47很好？那效果如何呢？有没有实际数据支持呢？有什么evidence证明这个法案效果很好吗？
民心靠不靠得住这个事情，题目太大了，不宜讨论
她的政治立场难道不是应该看民主党初选辩论吗，我怎么记得她说要拨600亿专供黑人大学。
1）她在这个议题上没有表态过，所以川粉那些纯属抹黑。。
2）我没觉得Prop 47好。。
但我觉得改革是必要的，加州监狱关那么多人，每个犯人每年耗资7万多美元，而K-12每个孩子教育经费才1万左右，根本不make sense 所以当时公投才会压倒性通过，所以不仅仅左翼民主党，右翼共和党也支持。。。
其实在我看来，即使设950的limit也还问题不大，因为哪怕中国也不至于偷包香烟偷个钱包就被关几年。 但惯犯/屡次犯罪依然不能判felony，那就是纯粹NC。这是最大法律漏洞。。
3）再次重复，川粉+部分共和党把Kamala称为是Prop 47的主推，根本就是造谣抹黑。。
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-gop-and-police-unions-a-love-story
Published in 2014, Updated in 2017.
The GOP and Police Unions: A Love Story
这里总是充斥了一大批没有知识，或者在美国的边缘人物，啥都不懂的。
赞一个。和党派无关，事实就是这不是她推的，搞fake news就不对了。
再差也比China virus的川大嘴强。我可不想我儿子因为歧视被打。
川粉抹黑这个是川粉不对，但这个不代表 她对prop 47的态度我能接受的，所以很想知道她到底是什么态度，有没有准确的报道。
你光强调川粉伪造信息抹黑她，却没有任何她观点的信息，这也没法给她洗白，目前的结论还是黑白未知啊
对，谁搞fake news都不对
信息最好都有英文出处，节约大家查找的时间了
哦，按你的逻辑，原来你把blm当上帝了，恭喜你。
这和洗白不洗白没关系。。纯粹反驳抹黑而已。。。
我一开始就说了呀，她在这议题上就没有公开表态过。。赞同/反对都没说过。。
正常总统选举，不会有人对VP人选感兴趣，VP人选只要不出大错就行。民主党自己把自己挤到胡同，搞的现在VP人选这么重要。我没关注过Harris，不care谁是VP。Harris最大问题是unlikable，我因为不关注所以没有感觉，很多很多选民觉得她unlikable (don’t know why)，这也是她选票低的原因
It's just as hard to argue she did not tell the people of California egregious lies. These lies have helped lead to the situation we see today, with greatly increased homelessness, increased property crime, and less ability of the police to ensure we live in a clean and safe environment.As Attorney General, Harris was responsible for giving official titles to Propositions 47 (passed 2014) and Proposition 57 (passed 2016). Voters rely on these titles and the short summaries, which are also the responsibility of the Attorney General. Kamala Harris told voters in 2014 that Proposition 14 was "The Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act." Among other reductions in penalties, the law "requires misdemeanor sentence instead of felony for the following crimes when amount involved is $950 or less: petty theft, receiving stolen property, and forging/writing bad checks." It is unclear how reducing shoplifting and theft for amounts less than $950 creates a safe neighborhood. Obviously, it does not. In Santa Monica, we have witnessed unsavory individuals walking into Vons grocery store on Lincoln Boulevard and walking out with whatever food they want - with impunity. The reality is police are unable to arrest 'petty' thieves. If somehow a citizen manages to stop the crime, the police are loath to bother making an arrest because the perpetrators are only committing misdemeanors and will be released - presumably to commit more crimes. But this was how Harris framed the proposed law. In her words, with that title, it sounded like a good thing, reasonable, and a way to clear room in prison for the truly "violent" offenders. The Proposition passed. It did not create safe neighborhoods. Instead, it has kept thieves and drug addicts out on our streets instead of locked up in prison. In our neighborhoods, they can now rob us, act out their anti-social behaviors, and erect tent cities with the associated trash and disease. Harris used similarly disingenuous language two years later, when another prison-emptying proposal was put before voters, Proposition 57. This case was actually far worse. Harris called the proposal "The California Parole for Non-Violent Criminals and Juvenile Court Trial Requirements Initiative." In the summary, Harris told voters "A 'yes' vote supported increasing parole and good behavior opportunities for felons convicted of nonviolent crimes..." What Harris did not tell voters was that she considered the following crimes to be "nonviolent": - Rape by intoxication of an unconscious person (think Stanford swimmer Brock Turner) - Human trafficking involving a sex act with minors - Arson causing great bodily harm - Drive-by shooting - Assault with a deadly weapon - Hostage taking Proposition 57 expressly blocked early release of individuals convicted of 23 specific violent crimes. But as you can see from the above, partial list, there are quite a few inarguably violent crimes that weren't included. Voters were told none of this - neither in the utterly inaccurate (one might call it "whopping lie") of the ballot title nor in the summary. Statistics from 2016 show that, under Proposition 57, the Parole Board has recommended the release of 1,590 inmates who are serving a life sentence. Of those, only 20 percent of the releases have been blocked by Governor Brown. Given Governor Newsome's leanings, it's probable even more of these extraordinarily violent felons will end up back on our streets.
这个没有赞成或者反对的态度也是耐人寻味的。Biden很多重大原则上也是一直和稀泥，和了几十年了。不知道这个组合是不是俩都推太极
说得太对了。看看下面这个, 不知道什么样的人喜欢她。
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1）政治立场上来说：因为两个都是民主党建制派，所谓的中间偏左。。而不是极左份子。。
2）实际职位上来说，作为state AG，确实不该对本州的类似公投提案公开发表看法，有potential conflict of interest
说的好
川粉真心不要脸啊。。
Prop 47的官方名称是"Criminal Sentences. Misdemeanor Penalties. Initiative Statute。" 啥the safe neighborhoods and schools act根本就不是Kamala写的官方名称。。。。而是其支持者给的别名。。 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47
Proposition 47, also known by its ballot title Criminal Sentences. Misdemeanor Penalties. Initiative Statute, was a referendum passed by voters in the state of California on November 4, 2014. The measure was also referred to by its supporters as the Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act.
你们除了造谣抹黑是不是就没其它能力了？