“Five years ago, Stella alleged that alien DNA was being used in medical treatments, and that scientists were cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. Some of her other claims include blaming medical conditions on witches and demons - a common enough belief among some evangelical Christians - though she says they have sex with people in a dream world. "They turn into a woman and then they sleep with the man and collect his sperm… then they turn into the man and they sleep with a man and deposit the sperm and reproduce more of themselves," she said during a sermon in 2013.” 这位Stella医生真是个人才啊。
回复 6楼RCW的帖子 Bingo. Dr. Fauci made plenty of mistakes. 1). He failed to recommend mask and other measures to contain the virus spread 2). He failed to keep open mind in HCQ 3). He failed to keep open mind on origin of the WUHAN virus. 4). He does not know
个人对什么宗教的接受程度因人而异，我不干涉别人的宗教信仰自由。回到treatment上，当时和她一起的持相同观点的，有MD/JD双料professional，有Havard毕业的MD/PhD在顶尖教学/研究医院UCLA附属医院practice的，更有同在Huston地区ICU工作的医生，所以，对于她医学上的判断，我不怀疑。这个讨论不是谁说服谁的问题，是keep open mind一起fight virus，you have every right to doubt her; I also have every right to trust her. You call her crazy; I call her passionate! It’s totally personal opinion!
反正我从3月份看了那个case study 之后，就从国内邮过来了这个组合，那些强调说副作用的，你们可以不用的，没人强迫你们用。人啊在天灾人祸面前还自大就是自取欺辱啊。目前来看这个病毒的致病的多样性来看，你要找到一个universal 治疗方案是不可能的，就连疫苗都不可能人人有效，就算这个组合的有效率很低，那对于一部分人来说也是百分百有效。而且用药时间这么短，副作用都是可控的，为什么那么多人抵制呢？
建议楼主改下标题：联合用药有助新冠康复。 这个Stella就像一颗大号的老鼠屎，如此神棍，看着真膈应 “Five years ago, Stella alleged that alien DNA was being used in medical treatments, and that scientists were cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. Some of her other claims include blaming medical conditions on witches and demons - a common enough belief among some evangelical Christians - though she says they have sex with people in a dream world. "They turn into a woman and then they sleep with the man and collect his sperm… then they turn into the man and they sleep with a man and deposit the sperm and reproduce more of themselves," she said during a sermon in 2013.”
刚看到Texas Medical Board前天发了press release，说不会干涉医生开药，只要医生愿意开就行 http://www.tmb.state.tx.us/dl/838FA479-6E96-B2B6-BD93-2BE72FA900D9 TMB Statement Regarding COVID-19 Treatments The Texas Medical Board is aware of sometimes conflicting information being published regarding COVID-19. In the past week there was a widely published claim of a “cure” for COVID-19. As we are all aware the medical community is still learning, researching and gaining understanding of the virus. While there are drugs and therapies being used to treat COVID-19, there is no definitive cure at this time. Both patients and physicians have a right to decide what treatment may be used for COVID-19. The Board does not issue endorsements of the use of any specific drugs or treatments for COVID-19, but any treatment decision must be made with full, proper and accurate disclosure by a physician. Physicians should refer to laws and Board rules, including those for complementary and alternative medicine, when considering potential treatments and medical decisions regarding COVID-19. A physician must provide full disclosure of treatment options, side effects, obtain informed consent, and there cannot be false, misleading or deceptive advertising or statements made regarding any therapies, including a cure for COVID-19. If the Board were to receive a complaint, it would be reviewed following the Board’s standard enforcement process, and may include a standard of care review by outside third-party physician experts if the matter involves the treatment of a patient. The Board may also investigate complaints for false, misleading or deceptive advertising, which could include for assuring a permanent cure for an incurable disease.
不要误导别人了 她说的原话是“You don''t need masks. There is a cure” 说的意思是如果病可以治好 那么大家就都不需要带口罩了 这种带上下文的语句怎么老有人出来带节奏 sunfic 发表于 2020-08-02 04:05
My understanding is as the follows. Dr. Stella Immanuel stated: "There is a cure. Therefore mask is not needed." Meanwhile, Applepie saw Dr. Stella Immanuel wearing mask. In other words, Dr. Stella acted like masks were needed. What does this imply? Does it mean the "cure" is not that reliable? Or it is better not to use this "cure"? Or something else?
The Texas Medical Board issued its warning after a Houston-area pastor and doctor, Dr. Stella Immanuel, very publicly touted hydroxychloroquine as a cure for the disease caused by the coronavirus, the Houston Chronicle reported. Multiple studies have found that hydroxychloroquine doesn’t help against the virus and the Food and Drug Administration has cautioned against using it to treat patients with the disease because of reports linking it with heart problems and other injuries and disorders.
那有啥 美国还在争论口罩呢 😄
当时纽约医院很多都用了，但是都说效果不明显
我不太明白。 病人确诊新冠病毒感染，也没有明显的细菌感染体征，在没有做细菌培养的情况下（菌培一天出不来结果），为什么要给病人肌注这种用于严重细菌感染的抗生素？而且还只给了一天的抗生素？
这个我也有疑问。同事的老婆因为症状相对严重点，被要求去诊所看医生。她说这一针抗生素用处她也不完全清楚，不过还是接受了。回家吃的cocktail里面有Azithromycin
动不动反智啊，智商啊，聪明啊，脑回路啊，猪脑啊，诸如此类的都是打击对方好让人自惭蠢笨。可美国华人不管是什么途径来的美，不说聪明绝顶，起码比同类人智商会略胜是没什么可质疑的，人人都自信得很。谁会甩这些？！这都看不出，你们还是自检一下吧。 你们还是找些其它的点吧。
“同事觉得有义务分享他的故事，所以他在fb上分享了，但是帖子很快就被censor然后take down了。。”
连自己的经历共享都不允许？果然幕后的跟ccp 是一路货色。
是的，同事从来不觉得censorship有这么严重，很震惊，今天和我们抱怨了好久。
不过他觉得不能就此放弃，又发了一遍，但是放了很长的一个disclaimer说这是个人经历，最后还不忘强调remdesivir要$3000太贵了，没选择了才选择这个疗法。目前看来，这个disclaimer起作用了，帖子在fb活下来了。
是楼主质问楼里的反对者，为什么对别的医生避而不谈。她又没谈，为什么回帖的人要谈?
最早武汉一线医生分享的治疗方案里面就推荐了这个药，我还问过在一线的医生，家人也以防万一给我寄了一批。在美国把这个药政治化成这样，简直是匪夷所思
azi是什么药
Sorry... 我偷懒了
Azithromycin 阿奇霉素
你说这一堆难道不是人身攻击？
开除黑籍了可能
“Five years ago, Stella alleged that alien DNA was being used in medical treatments, and that scientists were cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. Some of her other claims include blaming medical conditions on witches and demons - a common enough belief among some evangelical Christians - though she says they have sex with people in a dream world. "They turn into a woman and then they sleep with the man and collect his sperm… then they turn into the man and they sleep with a man and deposit the sperm and reproduce more of themselves," she said during a sermon in 2013.”
这位Stella医生真是个人才啊。
现在的protocol很多都给，因为人在病的时候抵抗力降低，如果再被细菌感染会很麻烦。算是预防了。
fb有很多个人信息，现在华人乌烟瘴气的，我不希望给同事造成不必要的困扰，就不给link了，不好意思
我会在这更新他和他老婆的状态
左X到现在都不知道造谣只会降低自己的可信度。以为大家都没看前线医生的conference，人家什么时候把医学问题和自己的信仰一起讲了？工作时间以外的言论，不影响她的credibility。
左X是我对所有颠倒黑白造谣生事的人的总称。如果后来证明是我误会，我会道歉，很可惜，目前我讨论的左X歪曲事实的所有事件还没有反转的。至于你说的那位医生信仰的有神论，版上讨论过几轮，我就不再补充了，隔壁楼贴出的ICU医生连续4个月每天只睡2个小时，刚好跟Dr Stella有同样一个interview，佐证了Dr Stella作为医生的credibility。不妨看看。
https://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/2020/08/01/houston-area-doctor-agrees-with-use-of-controversial-drug-to-treat-covid-19/
PS，我不赞成法轮功，但是我尊重他人的宗教信仰。我的妇产科医生是虔诚的基督教徒，可是我不会因为她信圣经里的处女怀孕生子，就怀疑她作为医生的能力。
祝你的同事夫妇早日好转
可以打电话给她诊所问问，我不是来打广告的，就是分享一个真实的事，不想有人说我动机不纯
Bingo. Dr. Fauci made plenty of mistakes. 1). He failed to recommend mask and other measures to contain the virus spread 2). He failed to keep open mind in HCQ 3). He failed to keep open mind on origin of the WUHAN virus. 4). He does not know
谢谢，同事是个很小心的人，家里还有两个年纪不大的女儿。老婆确诊的时候，他在家里搞了很严格的隔离，但不幸自己貌似也中招了，所幸两个孩子都没事。
好的！多谢！
这才是有理有据，隔壁那个所谓“医生”全篇都是言之无物人身攻击，高下立见。
几乎所有的发达国家都以基督教为主流宗教，基于此我们相信大部分基督教徒的文明程度，而这位医生的神鬼精液教却没有任何文明成果，所以我觉得你的类比是不当的，要类比也只能和李洪志的教比一比。如果有个医生穿着白袍给你开药，脱了白袍宣讲信李洪志得永生，你还淡定地吃他的药，我真的服气。
这位医生讲话的方式也完全不像一个专业人士，她说氯喹疗法是新冠的cure ----不只是有效，她反复强调是cure 包治此病，有了此疗法，口罩不用戴了。这样的“医生”，我只想说要慎重。
之前攻击Dr. Stella的帖子里说她所在诊所google map显示的是个书店，同事说Dr. Stella的确在那里传教。诊所不是那个书店，在书店附近几个店面以外。不是什么高大上的诊所，就是个family care，很多当地的墨西哥illegal immigrant会去看。这个诊所原来的医生六个月前过世了，之后Dr. Stella接手了这个诊所。很巧的是同事老婆的家里人之前就在这个诊所看过病，见过去世的医生也见过Dr. Stella，对她的评价很好。这次新冠找到她也真的是机缘巧合。
给开的药里面除了HCQ, z-pack和Zinc之外，还有Vitamin C
个人对什么宗教的接受程度因人而异，我不干涉别人的宗教信仰自由。回到treatment上，当时和她一起的持相同观点的，有MD/JD双料professional，有Havard毕业的MD/PhD在顶尖教学/研究医院UCLA附属医院practice的，更有同在Huston地区ICU工作的医生，所以，对于她医学上的判断，我不怀疑。这个讨论不是谁说服谁的问题，是keep open mind一起fight virus，you have every right to doubt her; I also have every right to trust her. You call her crazy; I call her passionate! It’s totally personal opinion!
完全赞同，可惜上面专家不停误导大众，下面医生没有权限。
这个医生采访我也看了 他赞同的是Cocktail疗法 应该是HCQ 加上写别的比如ZINC或者阿奇 他说他在打两场战争 第一个是COVID19 第二个是傻Ⅹ 第一个战争觉得能赢 第二个反倒觉得太难了.
谢谢MM!
楼主，一开始我还被你的消息所鼓舞，所以上网查了一下这个Dr. Stella Immanuel的信息。结果发现这个医生宣称不需要带口罩，但她自己却在各种不同的场合带口罩。这种言行不一致的人，怎么能相信呢？还是叫你同事小心点好，不要盲目相信。你自己也最好上网了解一下这个医生
国内HCQ价格涨了不少了已经
不要误导别人了 她说的原话是“You don''t need masks. There is a cure”
说的意思是如果病可以治好 那么大家就都不需要带口罩了 这种带上下文的语句怎么老有人出来带节奏
咱们不是一直中西医合成。里边真正起作用的是西药。
谢谢。我不介意，我也不会去回应他们的任何质疑帖子，看他们上蹿下跳还觉得挺搞笑的。如果真的有人是在这发帖挣钱的，那就让他们在这个帖子挣点工分算了。
这个帖子就是一个真实事情的分享，我很尽量不加入感情色彩和我本人对hcq的立场，所以我去掉了之前放在首楼的我的其他hcq帖子的链接。
事实就是Dr. Stella是真的医生，她在Houston的诊所是真的，她给新冠病人开hcq是真的。至于hcq的作用，我只能说同事和他老婆目前觉得有用。
现在休斯顿是不是想用药就能开？
哈哈哈你放心有很多是在网上告诉别人副作用大自己悄悄囤药的😂
我也买了，看了法国医生那个就买了，还没收到就全球画风变了。。。还记得那会儿说氯喹副作用大，法国用的硫酸氢氯喹就效果很理想。
大医院我没有问，有机会我问问在methodist ER工作的邻居。支持开药的医生肯定有，其他帖子也有人贴了支持药有用的医生的采访，不是这个Dr. Stella。
现在的问题是能不能顺利拿到药。昨天Dr. Stella的fb说发现有CVS，Walgreens，Kroger拒绝fill hcq，她已经找律师了。这年头真的是什么诡异的事都能发生。
实际上我在国内著名医院的亲戚说现在的结论不是说有用的是中成药吗？但是又说硫酸氢氯喹是战略药品。。。不过我们那里没有大爆发，医院系统大概这么宣传的。
刚看到Texas Medical Board前天发了press release，说不会干涉医生开药，只要医生愿意开就行
http://www.tmb.state.tx.us/dl/838FA479-6E96-B2B6-BD93-2BE72FA900D9
TMB Statement Regarding COVID-19 Treatments The Texas Medical Board is aware of sometimes conflicting information being published regarding COVID-19. In the past week there was a widely published claim of a “cure” for COVID-19. As we are all aware the medical community is still learning, researching and gaining understanding of the virus. While there are drugs and therapies being used to treat COVID-19, there is no definitive cure at this time. Both patients and physicians have a right to decide what treatment may be used for COVID-19. The Board does not issue endorsements of the use of any specific drugs or treatments for COVID-19, but any treatment decision must be made with full, proper and accurate disclosure by a physician. Physicians should refer to laws and Board rules, including those for complementary and alternative medicine, when considering potential treatments and medical decisions regarding COVID-19. A physician must provide full disclosure of treatment options, side effects, obtain informed consent, and there cannot be false, misleading or deceptive advertising or statements made regarding any therapies, including a cure for COVID-19. If the Board were to receive a complaint, it would be reviewed following the Board’s standard enforcement process, and may include a standard of care review by outside third-party physician experts if the matter involves the treatment of a patient. The Board may also investigate complaints for false, misleading or deceptive advertising, which could include for assuring a permanent cure for an incurable disease.
Thank you for sharing.
那么她为啥还戴口罩？
同事老婆今天去做了covid quick test，结果阴性。同事说他老婆昨天已经完全恢复了，精力充沛，还给我们发来了一段他老婆昨天在家门口割草的视频。同事今天也去做了antibody test，结果要等一段时间才能出来。
祝福你同事一家!
赞👍
谢谢！同事说他老婆从检测阳性以来都尽可能把自己和两个女儿隔离开来，明天总算能好好抱抱她们了。真替他们开心！
戴口罩能有效减弱病毒传染，这么显而易见的事情，搞不懂美国官方为什么拖了那么久坚持说口罩无用。
真相是瞒不住的
为什么现在媒体丧心病狂地要删video, 不让发声， 就是因为他们也知道they have blood on their hands. 一旦真相出来， 他们会被起诉.
谢谢更新！！
病还没好都可以有antibody，一般刚生病不久身体就会反应，会有antibody。有人会出现antibody和病毒检测同时阳性的情况
hcq剂量同事告诉我们了，但是我觉得这应该是由医生来决定，放在网上有误导作用。
同事没有去检测，但是因为确认有暴露而且出现症状，所以医生说不适合用prophylaxis的用量
同事老婆做的是covid quick test，应该是antigen test，网上查了一下是当天能出结果。PCR和antibody要久一点。
Curious, why do people call her Dr. Stella? Her last name is Immanuel.
My understanding is as the follows. Dr. Stella Immanuel stated: "There is a cure. Therefore mask is not needed." Meanwhile, Applepie saw Dr. Stella Immanuel wearing mask. In other words, Dr. Stella acted like masks were needed. What does this imply? Does it mean the "cure" is not that reliable? Or it is better not to use this "cure"? Or something else?
antibody在感染后期就开始有了
太恐怖了
很佩服这个医生的勇气 在万马齐喑的时候敢出来说话