飙升数字和比较看大图 纽约时报解释,三月份新冠测试出结果慢,所以等测出来,很多病人已经接近死亡了,所以确诊数字飙升以后马上死亡也跟上去。 而现在确诊结果出来快了,所以从确诊到最后死亡之间的时间拉长。给人错觉是一开始死人不多,但是上周开始死亡数字开始飙升。 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/17/us/coronavirus-deaths.html Public health experts have pointed to a few factors that help explain why the death count was initially flat. Treatment has improved and young people, who are less likely to die from Covid-19, make up a larger share of new cases. Additionally, more widespread testing means cases are caught sooner, on average. That means that the lag between diagnosis and death would be longer than in March, when tests were in critically short supply. That lag may have come to an end last week, as the number of new deaths began to rise. Many of the states that reopened early are the ones seeing the biggest increases, while New York, the country’s hardest-hit city, has seen a 64 percent drop since June 1.
因为白宫让医院绕过CDC把数据直接给HHS后CDC怒了就把这些数据从网上撤了。现在HHS要求他们继续提供这些数据。 when the Trump Administration made the decision to move data collection from the CDC to HHS, the CDC removed all hospitalization data from their website indiscriminately, and not at the direction of HHS or anyone else, as has been insinuated elsewhere. The official told us “CDC had all of the data and didn’t put it up, because they were mad. CDC has been ordered to continue providing the data; as an operating division of HHS, they must comply. Now, everyone is operating from the same database, it real time and complete.” https://uncoverdc.com/2020/07/17/cdc-politicized-pandemic/?from=timeline&isappinstalled=0
飙升数字和比较看大图 纽约时报解释,三月份新冠测试出结果慢,所以等测出来,很多病人已经接近死亡了,所以确诊数字飙升以后马上死亡也跟上去。 而现在确诊结果出来快了,所以从确诊到最后死亡之间的时间拉长。给人错觉是一开始死人不多,但是上周开始死亡数字开始飙升。 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/17/us/coronavirus-deaths.html Public health experts have pointed to a few factors that help explain why the death count was initially flat. Treatment has improved and young people, who are less likely to die from Covid-19, make up a larger share of new cases. Additionally, more widespread testing means cases are caught sooner, on average. That means that the lag between diagnosis and death would be longer than in March, when tests were in critically short supply. That lag may have come to an end last week, as the number of new deaths began to rise. Many of the states that reopened early are the ones seeing the biggest increases, while New York, the country’s hardest-hit city, has seen a 64 percent drop since June 1. dukenyc125 发表于 2020-07-17 10:07
前两天已经有人出来解释过了,阳性率看着过高是有些lab不报negative case,但是检测出来的阳性数量是没变的。医院的床位确实也是个好指数。我十天前左右看的数据是84%ICU bed已经满了。
医院的ICU很多平时就已经是50-70% occupancy rate,其他疾病需要,术后的病人需要观察,这些都占用ICU
你应该去看看这些ICU bed多少是用于covid的
有什么证据?是有特效药还是有什么?难道一开始用的不是这些药吗?
现在医院上呼吸机的根本不多。而且呼吸机对这个病反而有坏作用。瑞德西韦也没有像大白菜到处用。本身就没那么高产量。而且瑞德西韦缩短疗程改善轻症,对重症根本没什么用
佛州不知道,德州6/25号以后就又停了elective surgery,现在应该还没开放
除非你能证明现在每天死掉的可以当天就report 否则怎么支持你们的观点啊。。。。
在南加医院的医生说现在好多ICU年轻病人,死的不少
没说要支持什么观点,只是说看数字的时候要考虑进去这些因素。
现在很多医院汇报都很透明了,尤其tmc是我觉得做的最好的了,所以我更倾向于用医院bed occupancy来判断趋势。现在大多数得病的都是在医院没的吧,没了之前都得进icu抢救吧。如果非要跟我杠说很多自己死在家里的,那我无话可说。
至于阳性率就更重要了,阳性率是detect 病毒传播严重性的数据,只要低于5% 就可以认为是low risk。 所以如果不报negative case,人为的inflate 阳性率,会导致不必要的恐慌。
谨慎点说 穷人区比如佛州那种西语区有没有在家里突然过世的不好说
但是的确大部分在hospital里面 肯定比纽约那时候强
but...佛罗里达现在bed的数据不是一直不能统一报告么 我看没有一个清晰的数据。。。 不像tmc那样可以写的一清二楚 多少covid多少non-covid...他们要是能把数据搞透明了也好啊。。。
tmc只是休斯敦地区 德州其他地方不知道情况怎么样 总之希望有一个清晰的数据 这样一切谣言猜测都可以不攻而破
tmc虽然不全面,有数据总比没有的好,至少Houston就是个hotspot,代表性还是有的。现在德州很多死亡率高的都在美墨边界的小镇,医疗条件肯定比不上大城市。
是的 tmc的数据还是即时的 已经算很良心的了。然而政府或者CDC的data我咋找了半天找不到一个清晰明确的。。。
我去CDC网站翻了半天找不到一个全国各地ICU 普通住院 等等的数据表格。。。是我没找对地方么?
你看意大利一直每天挂着这个 这个是中央政府审核的 各地可以自己报告即时的
CDC在Covid上就是个joke,就该和WHO一样被钉在抗疫耻辱柱上!
lz以前说过自己是法律工作者,文科生的data sense 实在是。。。。。。比不上诡辩 哈哈
正解,死亡数据需要时间来统计。其实住院的情况也需要时间来统计。我追踪我们州网已经一段时间了,他们的住院人数统计看起来滞后三天,但稍微准确点的要滞后一个星期,所以一直在更新。那么多医院,哪天住院的一下子弄不清,要等弄清了才归到具体的日期。
是的。。。太差了。。。
令人发指。。。
Covid开始elective surgery就停了,很多医院目前才逐渐恢复,并没有完全恢复。
can't agree more...
Re, 看病毒是否减弱应该看得是mortality rate
廊坊的囚犯现在很多假装成是川粉要毁掉美国, 故意让“川建国” 当选!
这么弱, 要不要以身试法开个covid party 验证一下?
佛州的data scientist因为不给改数据都给fire了你还能指望啥? cdc也是上周三开始就拿不到一手数据了,现在医院自动上传都是给了hhs,cdc的接口都给切了,hhs可是和cdc不一样,是没有公开数据的义务的,现在就只能看各地自己的良心了
cdc 从来就没有汇总数据过,都是各个地方政府自己报告的。