你们说,川普能当总统的话,比尔盖茨能不能啊?

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nypapaya

我一直觉得这个论坛上很错误的一点是,要把左右分出个高下,彼此一定要说服对方,左比右好,或者右比左好,相互谩骂。政治没那么简单幼稚,两个不同的立场,是不同的选择,也不是零和,更不是谁比谁好的事情。
在疫情上,我的观点很明确,川普做的不好,控制力弱,使得联邦陷于党争,效率低下,判断错误连连。你们当然可以有不同的观点,这只是我的观点。

119ppp 发表于 4/1/2020 9:07:12 AM


左右哪个好不重要,哪个对美国好很重要。

还有,美国的党争本身就很严重,并不是trump造成的。trump上任以后,民主党一心想把他搞下台,任何正事都不干。即使如此,trump的表现也远远好过Obama在09年对猪流感的反应。

黨爭是民主黨的極左跟共和黨的極右在爭,川普只是一個酵素。
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Bill 比他强100倍,优秀! 刚刚在读他的访谈,读完觉得他的思路真是非常清晰。而从前家里人也为盖茨基金工作过,盖茨基金的人非常聪明,吃过几次中国政府的亏马上就改变策略,另辟它径,最终完美地达成目的,可以说执行效率比国内政府高出来好多,令人印象深刻。我想盖茨领导的团队有最优秀的科学家,最优秀的团队管理,也有足够的政治智慧。他如果有意竞选总统的话,会有什么问题吗? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bill-gates-heres-how-to-make-up-for-lost-time-on-covid-19/2020/03/31/ab5c3cf2-738c-11ea-85cb-8670579b863d_story.html Bill Gates: Here’s how to make up for lost time on covid-19 By Bill Gates March 31, 2020 at 7:26 p.m. EDT Bill Gates is co-founder of Microsoft and a co-chair of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. There’s no question the United States missed the opportunity to get ahead of the novel coronavirus . But the window for making important decisions hasn’t closed. The choices we and our leaders make now will have an enormous impact on how soon case numbers start to go down, how long the economy remains shut down and how many Americans will have to bury a loved one because of covid-19. 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Long before the drug hydroxychloroquine wasapproved as an emergency treatmentfor covid-19, people started hoarding it, making it hard to find for lupus patients who need itto survive . We should stick with the process that works: Run rapid trials involving various candidates and inform the public when the results are in. Once we have a safe and effective treatment, we’ll need to ensure that the first doses go to the people who need them most. To bring the disease to an end, we’ll need a safe and effective vaccine. If we do everything right, we could have one inless than 18 months— about the fastest avaccine has ever been developed. But creating a vaccine is only half the battle. To protect Americans and people around the world, we’ll need to manufacture billions of doses. (Without a vaccine, developing countries are at even greater risk than wealthy ones, because it’s even harder for them to do physical distancing and shutdowns.) 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Heiniu
回复 1楼119ppp的帖子 比尔盖茨 会靠谱很多。 可是他不可能在这种狗咬狗一样的竞选游戏中胜出。 小时候学的马克吐温的”竞选州长“ 真的是基于现实。 尤其最近几年, 那个骂战, 一般人是吃不消的。
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好荒谬。拿这种阴谋论说事
跟Epstein 关系好比的过大统领么,十几年的交情。

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luming 发表于 4/1/2020 12:46:30 PM

盖兹这人表里不一看不出来吗?大统领你也可以打,没问题,狠狠挖他我支持。这个新鲜娈童犯这次侥幸逃过法律惩处不是什么阴谋论哦,盖兹深夜不时出入Epstein这娈童皮条家是事实,他先否认后来又被揭,皮条客之死很不简单。
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zman


开玩笑吧
Kavanaugh 法学院刚毕业没几年,被Starr 看中做助手,帮助Starr 弹劾克林顿,递交国会的那份著名的黄色小报风Starr report, 实际出自Kavanaugh 之手,说他是小白兔?



luming 发表于 4/1/2020 12:44:56 PM


工作能力强就是tough leader? geek 就是好领导?
Kavanaugh专业领域内没问题,但显然不是一个tough的政客
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Suiyuejinghai
政治太肮脏了
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zman


工作能力强就是tough leader? geek 就是好领导?
Kavanaugh专业领域内没问题,但显然不是一个tough的政客

zman 发表于 4/1/2020 2:18:51 PM


某种程度讲,bloomberg不是成功政客,虽然他是成功商人,可能也是不错的市长。看看被白切诺基扁成啥样?
政坛上,不是业务强就能成为领导人的
看看人家三德子,aoc, 自己都难养活,不耽误人家成为成功政客
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_summerdays
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比尔盖茨 会靠谱很多。

可是他不可能在这种狗咬狗一样的竞选游戏中胜出。 小时候学的马克吐温的”竞选州长“ 真的是基于现实。 尤其最近几年, 那个骂战, 一般人是吃不消的。
Heiniu 发表于 4/1/2020 2:08:37 PM

我也觉得。。
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119ppp

我也觉得。。
_summerdays 发表于 4/1/2020 2:25:19 PM

是啊,如果竞选是把所有参选人都变成妖魔鬼怪,这可怎么办。到底什么是时候变成这样子的。还是一直都这样,只是从前我英文不好所以感受不深?
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Olympian
我觉得他不行。像他那样的人都没有国家观念,总想着影响全世界的事情,眼光放的太远,不适合做一个国家的领导,更适合做什么世界组织的头。也挺适合他现在做的事情,就是用自己的钱来解决一些针对性的问题。但不适合做总统。
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bababa
人家不惜的当吧
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boocheese
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川普都能当总统,地球上是个人都能当总统,何况牛逼的比尔盖茨!
netlive 发表于 4/1/2020 9:14:07 AM

在美国大家最擅长就是骂总统,除了奥巴马之外。你这么牛逼,有本事去国内论坛骂一下习🐷头。
云野
我不会选他,看人也不能只看表面
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psyentistc
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BillG不一定有兴趣当总统吧,而且当总统对他来说完全是scale down啊。他刚退出几个董事会,准备全身心搞基金会解决世界性难题。BillG脑袋里面的那部纪录片里面的那些项目,包括核电站,厕所,疫苗,无论从时间维度和空间维度,都比当总统影响力更大吧。Melinda当第一夫人倒是挺合适。
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fanslunary
比尔盖茨是倡导全球化的精英代表,而且是左派。你觉得他能比川普做得更好?不在那个位置上时,说说大话不需要负责任。
分享一篇了解全球化本质的文章http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2527546&postid=83408120#83408120

dizia0220 发表于 4/1/2020 9:01:44 AM
赞同 作为屁民绝对反对全球化 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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psyentistc
要是他当总统美国就有望了。同是商人,两人境界太不一样了。说实话,资质也不一样,盖茨白手起家,川普富二代,而且还屡次破产,据说他如果当时原封不动他爸留给他的钱,会比现在还要富有。所以高下立现了。
rosesavels 发表于 4/1/2020 10:55:53 AM


BillG白手起家是什么营销号创造的幻觉啊。他妈投资了他两千万美元创业。Jobs倒是真算白手起家。。。
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我觉得他不行。像他那样的人都没有国家观念,总想着影响全世界的事情,眼光放的太远,不适合做一个国家的领导,更适合做什么世界组织的头。也挺适合他现在做的事情,就是用自己的钱来解决一些针对性的问题。但不适合做总统。

Olympian 发表于 4/1/2020 2:31:12 PM


re。适合领导美国的还是要那种美国至上的人。
不说川普做得怎样,他的强悍性格比较适合领导美国,即使遭遇困难各种批评诋毁,还是很强悍地挺在那里解决各种问题。如果换个娘炮哇哇叫的,美国大概就完了。
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psyentistc
我觉得说BillG有大爱可能是错觉。他就是典型的geek思维。觉得要用efficient的方式做efficient的事情,以他认为正确的方式做他认为正确的事情。要说他做疫苗是对落后地区人民有爱,还不如说他认为这种疾病应该被消灭。从某种角度而言,他对人类的兴趣有限。
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mayyi
精英们以为自己聪明智慧高效,但却与普通人脱节,关心的是自己的理想,不关心普通百姓的疾苦。或者普通人在他们眼里就是棋子是实验品是project. 民主就是不让权力掌握在所谓精英手里。还好美国社会是普通人一票票选出来的,不是由所谓精英控制的。
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我觉得比尔盖茨一点都不爱美国。利用美国赚钱,全球化的既得利益者。 对美国人民死活一点不关心,那么多因为全球化而失去工作的美国人,没看见他做了点什么。 而是把钱拿中国非洲去贡献。好像那些在贫困死亡线挣扎的美国贫困人口都不是人不需要帮助似的。他是属于踩着美国人民身上积累资本的黑心资本家。
一年明月
川总不是天选之人,但是真正意义上的民选之人。不爬political job ladder, 一屁股的黑料,公认的唯利是图的资本家,共和党元老不喜欢,媒体不喜欢,都拦不住米国人选他的决心。 相比之下感觉大家对盖茨还是比较有距离感哈,很难想象盖茨rally说句话,下面就排山倒海地欢呼的场面。也许将来会有 😄
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zhegufei
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Bill Gates has been fighting virus since Windows 95. Not my original line.
cable 发表于 4/1/2020 12:09:18 PM

奶奶的。动不动就蓝屏。
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zxjm
看来不少人还是很清醒的,不像楼主只看1cm远
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echochiu
你不问问盖兹愿意吗?其实做总统对他这种人来讲牺牲很大的,不是啥好事。
扶苏
他不会选的,如果选等于脑子进水的策略。看看星巴克CEO表达想要选总统以后的待遇,一落千丈啊。那些嘴脸,给钱的时候笑呵呵,你要跟他们抢饭碗,绝对是没情面讲的。 有钱有闲,干什么不好呢?
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我觉得比尔盖茨一点都不爱美国。利用美国赚钱,全球化的既得利益者。 对美国人民死活一点不关心,那么多因为全球化而失去工作的美国人,没看见他做了点什么。 而是把钱拿中国非洲去贡献。好像那些在贫困死亡线挣扎的美国贫困人口都不是人不需要帮助似的。他是属于踩着美国人民身上积累资本的黑心资本家。

ztootz 发表于 4/1/2020 3:42:28 PM


而且拿去落后地区做的所谓贡献就是把那些地方当他疫苗的试验田……
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mindstorm

我觉得他无意参政。

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他不会干的。他在做自己喜欢做的事情,帮助穷人,这样的人不会喜欢这个位置
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You dream!他不会参政的,政治圈这个大粪坑,他何必介入?有钱,也能用自己的钱追求理想,改变世界,不用当总统
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他是白左吧?全球化倡导者之一。肯定不能选啦
选总统又不是要选一个nice的人,主要还是看政见。
deliafxy 发表于 4/1/2020 8:55:15 AM

从这个帖子被点赞和踩得人数上看黄皮脑残右逼真不少
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g00gle

比尔盖茨是白痴吗?

黑白无常 发表于 4/1/2020 1:07:15 PM

黄皮右逼眼里白左都是白痴
酒花
同意!
我一直觉得这个论坛上很错误的一点是,要把左右分出个高下,彼此一定要说服对方,左比右好,或者右比左好,相互谩骂。政治没那么简单幼稚,两个不同的立场,是不同的选择,也不是零和,更不是谁比谁好的事情。 在疫情上,我的观点很明确,川普做的不好,控制力弱,使得联邦陷于党争,效率低下,判断错误连连。你们当然可以有不同的观点,这只是我的观点。 119ppp 发表于 4/1/2020 9:07:00 AM
酒花
不会吧上帝一直很爱美国的啊
回复1楼 119ppp 的帖子 Trump是天选之人 lastunas 发表于 4/1/2020 8:53:00 AM
酒花
如果他愿意选我绝对支持他,不过靠谱从来不是政客的品质
小青龙
他是真的有远见有善心有能力。可惜觉得他不会愿意做总统。
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xiaohong0606
首先得他愿意做总统
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fuxi9999
不能吧 脸皮不够厚 辩论可能吵不过 参见Bloomberg
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goneaway
比尔盖茨没有政客撒谎成性的内核
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Acad
盖茨当不了总统,太文气
月沼
不能,就算这位置送他,他搞不定周围的人,无法让现在的团队帮他实现目标,他也没有能力和资源重组团队。归根到底,他不是那一类人。其实trump也不是那一类人。
萌新小留
他是中国工程院院士,典型的共谍啊
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sugeeamimi15
智商绝对可以的 没匪气 碰上某些流氓国家总有秀才遇上兵的无奈 而且作为白人精英阶级估计也选不上 不忍看到他被挖黑料 保持他文弱书生的形象吧
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lcccbwmm
不咋地,他不是跟娈童的Jeffrey Epstein 关系密切吗?不管在怎么否认,人品信不过
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GrayHearted
国外论坛最近确实有这个趋向,不少人认为不如让盖茨做总统的。我是觉得如果他真当一把总统,会很有意思。