看看Quora上小留们的心声。真是武统一代啊。 Has Taiwan media brainwashed their people, because I, as non-mainlander or Taiwanese, visited Taiwan once and all the newspapers in Taiwan are bad things about China?
My answer is Yes and No. Almost every country is kind of brainwashing their people. Recently I read the blog of a Taiwanese who got his PhD Degree in Physics from Harvard University and worked in world famous financial organizations for many years. He mentioned a book "Formacao Do Imperio Americano/Rise of the American Empire" written by Luiz A.M. Bandeira and published in 1998. He said merely in mock, "it has been 16 years since Portuguese version of this book was published but I can find no English version until now. This is actually what I already knew - American Freedom of Speech lets a hundred flowers blossom and a hundred schools of thought contend except the truth." Last Paragraph 【美國】【歷史】美國的歐洲戰略史 http://blog.udn.com/MengyuanWang/108908672
Have you ever known the fact that a book "India's China War" that is a detailed analysis of 1962 Sino-india war and is authored by a retired British journalist and scholar was banned by Indian government after its publication? Amazon.com: Customer reviews: India's China War Aren't these democratic countries attempting to control their people's minds? Compared to CPC's propaganda, Propaganda in Western countries are more sophisticated and elaborative. Yes, definitely, Taiwan is full of anti-China/Mainland propaganda as you have seen. The main issue is not that Taiwanese people are fooled or just informed of biased information. The main issue is that a large part of Taiwanese operating double standards. Actually, they don't really care about and wanna defend their noble values they ostensibly claim. Interest is the only concern. How did I know it? I watched tons of Taiwanese TV shows, read a lot of articles and debated with Taiwanese guys a lot before. Let me present some scenes below: Scene 1: You probably often are indoctrinated by part of Taiwanese claiming government of The Republic of China in Taiwan is Chinese government-in-exile and KMT Chinese Mainlanders are oppressors, a group of dictators & even colonists, and these people should go back to where they are from. Usually I first accept and respect their views. Then I state the irrefutable fact that those so-called Taiwanese are not indigenous Taiwanese but the descents of colonists Hoklo people. Their ancestors did the same things as Portugueses and Spanish men did in South America - Colonization of Taiwan. Many Hoklo people came to Taiwan island without wife and children and they killed indigenous Taiwanese males, conquered land of indigenous Taiwanese, and seized indigenous females to use as resource of sex and producing offspring. Their ancestors were definitely colonists of Taiwan who conducted cultural genocide. As we all know, so-called "台語/Taiwanese language" is not the language of indigenous Taiwanese and Taiwanese language is none of their business. Plus, That's why many Taiwanese claim they are blood-mixed with aboriginals and even ridiculously make use of this as an excuse to claim that many of them Taiwanese are not Han Chinese and thus deserve independence of their Taiwan . Once I asked them, if you think these KMT Chinese mainlanders as outcomers and even colonists and they should be driven away, what do you think about yourselves? Aren't you outcomers and colonists who should be driven away as well according to your logic and noble values? Isn't it justifiable? Guess how they reacted? Majority of them kept silent afterwards and one Taiwanese young guy argued that Western colonists are never willing to leave Northern & Southern Americas and Oceania, why shall we? Actually many of their ancestors are accomplices of Imperial Japanese military. They don't honor China's great contributions and sacrifice to anti-fascism war and legal right to gain the territory stolen by Japan. Since they always consider them as the most pathetic group, they switch the roles between victims of territorial cessation due to China's defeat in First Sino-Japanese War and thanksgivers with gratitude to Imperial Japanese rule without any feeling of violation. However, Ironically, when as the role of victims of territorial cessation due to China's defeat in First Sino-Japanese War, although more than hundreds of thousands of Taiwanese were massacred under Japanese rule, these Taiwanese would not claim compensation and apology from Japan and glorify the period of Japanese rule; when as the role of thanksgivers with gratitude to Imperial Japanese rule and accomplices of Imperial Japanese military(Several dozens of thousands of Taiwanese joined Japanese armies to invade Southeast Asia & China Mainland, and 420K Taiwanese voluntarily signed up for Imperial Japanese Army), they don't think they deserve status of defeated country as Nazi Germany whichceded East Prussia to Poland and Königsberg to Soviet Union. In contrast, they should have been treated as a colony and have had right of Resident Self-Determination. Taiwanese are always thinking them as the most innocent and pathetic. For China, they adopt another standard that Outer Mongolia could secede from China with help of Soviet Union and A lot of lands in China was occupied by Imperial Russia, why can't we? That guy won the lottery, why can't We (Taiwanese)? That guy was bullied, why can't be you(Chinese)? LOL. God is unfair. Now you know how these Taiwanese people are conducting their double standards. "裝睡的人，你永遠也叫不醒。" You Can't Wake Up A Person Who Is Pretending To Be Asleep. Scene 2: You can see a lot of Taiwanese describing Chinese mainlanders as poorly educated, narrowly minded, and even dirty. Compared to Chinese Mainlanders, they especially in the south of Taiwan consider them as well educated, civilized, and superior. You can see tons of stuffs in Taiwan trying to persuade public that China and Chinese have no culture and are also evil, poisonous, dirty, and poor. They even dare to behave as racists and in public advocate "支那賤畜，外來種滾/You, cheap Domestic Animals from China, Outcomers(Chinese Mainlanders), get out of Taiwan!"
I ever mocked part of Taiwanese,"You let me fully realize what Taiwanese cherish. The most barbarous Communist Party of China educates(brainwashes) their under-privileged poor people to be friendly with Taiwanese people and they are our brothers & sisters, meanwhile so-called superior & civilized TAIWANESE and these universal values believers dare spare no effort to brace the most shameless racist statement declaring China and Chinese are all evil, poisonous, dirty and cheap. Ironically, when extremist Muslims in the Middle East, Europe and the United States massacred innocent civilians in name of Allah and wanted Sharia law to rule the whole world. Hillary Clinton probably is one of the most hypocritical politicians but she would say: "Let’s be clear: Islam is not our adversary. Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism." At that time point, I "had" a more thorough conviction of Taiwanese democracy and the declared advanced & civilized society in Taiwan. Left behind many Taiwanese "interesting" views such as most of Taiwanese Comfort Women were voluntary and not forced into sexual slavery, Japanese rule was not colonization, and Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity of Imperial Japan was not an invasion. In fact, disputes of doctrines ultimately come down to disputes of interest. Isn't it? Let me give my 2 cents on analysis of the root cause: The real reason is that these Taiwanese from the South of Taiwan need a sense of their superiority and claim they are far superior to Mainlanders and more civilized. People always want superiority or kind of equivalences to justify everything they own, their value and their meaning of existence. Apparently, Taiwanese with this opnion are totally wrong. Also, I know there has been a lot of anti-Chinese propaganda in Taiwan’s media and education. However, the root cause of Taiwanese hating Chinese is that China’s peaceful rise and great achievement are proving their systems and what they believe in are probably wrong and even they are losers. They attribute their failures in economy, ideology, and even moral to China and Chinese. People may not care about being called devils but certainly hate being called losers because ‘loser’ probably means lose everything. Your success and even existence may be the root cause of your competitors losing their fame, wealth, status, and even country. Theodore Roosevelt says: “The Only Good Indians Are the Dead Indians.” A large percentage of Taiwanese believe that misfortune of Taiwanese originates from China, Chinese culture and even Chinese people. They are always trying to persuade others and even themselves they are the most pathetic. They wish China’s economy collapses and China can break up into pieces. They hate Chinese not willing to free up living space to make themselves Taiwanese great(maybe great again). That's why I answered NO at the same time. Several months ago, I read a comment of one article in the New York Times on Western Countries’ attitudes on Catalonia Independence Referendum.
He says, "It's amazing to see how overwhelmingly the Western governments, politicians and media react against on Catalonia's independence, while hypocritically support the separatists of other countries.Democracy is right only when it serves your own interests". Do I get the essence of Western Democracy? After all, Pharisaical spirit probably is the most despicable yet stubborn human feeling.
你们轮独运不是一家的吗?
是不是川普砍了经费
你们自个儿也掐起来了？
真要独立都快活不下去了，还拿钱买？你哪里来的蜜汁自信呀
弯弯的文化部长，主管金马的发言
南望王师又一年，王师跪在狗坟前
游泳池里练双栖，三十二度不出操
易拉罐作手雷扔，消防铲车来凑数，
皮艇裸男幼儿园，每餐喝水百毫升。
自行车上能反恐，八极拳下可制敌。
手绘地图即开疆，护照贴纸欲建国。
导弹击穿小渔船，总统能用爱发电
南望王师又一年，王师就是不上岸
哎~~~
这是一个对等的地位和称呼
它们不提国家，平时谁也不会去硬刚
但来大陆拍戏，名字后面一定是（中国台湾）
内地老百姓认为“中华民国”才是国家级别
台独现在要搞的是“台湾国”
平时只说“台湾”的话
内地人解读为台湾(地区)
而台独分子解读为台湾(国)
护照上反正写的是“中华民国”
台独的处境也很尴尬
它们那个国跟“中华民国”也不是一码事
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看看Quora上小留们的心声。真是武统一代啊。
Has Taiwan media brainwashed their people, because I, as non-mainlander or Taiwanese, visited Taiwan once and all the newspapers in Taiwan are bad things about China?
https://www.quora.com/Has-Taiwan-media-brainwashed-their-people-because-I-as-non-mainlander-or-Taiwanese-visited-Taiwan-once-and-all-the-newspapers-in-Taiwan-are-bad-things-about-China
My answer is Yes and No.
Almost every country is kind of brainwashing their people.
Recently I read the blog of a Taiwanese who got his PhD Degree in Physics from Harvard University and worked in world famous financial organizations for many years. He mentioned a book "Formacao Do Imperio Americano/Rise of the American Empire" written by Luiz A.M. Bandeira and published in 1998. He said merely in mock, "it has been 16 years since Portuguese version of this book was published but I can find no English version until now. This is actually what I already knew - American Freedom of Speech lets a hundred flowers blossom and a hundred schools of thought contend except the truth."
Last Paragraph
【美國】【歷史】美國的歐洲戰略史
http://blog.udn.com/MengyuanWang/108908672
Have you ever known the fact that a book "India's China War" that is a detailed analysis of 1962 Sino-india war and is authored by a retired British journalist and scholar was banned by Indian government after its publication?
Amazon.com: Customer reviews: India's China War
Aren't these democratic countries attempting to control their people's minds? Compared to CPC's propaganda, Propaganda in Western countries are more sophisticated and elaborative.
Yes, definitely, Taiwan is full of anti-China/Mainland propaganda as you have seen.
The main issue is not that Taiwanese people are fooled or just informed of biased information. The main issue is that a large part of Taiwanese operating double standards. Actually, they don't really care about and wanna defend their noble values they ostensibly claim. Interest is the only concern.
How did I know it? I watched tons of Taiwanese TV shows, read a lot of articles and debated with Taiwanese guys a lot before.
Let me present some scenes below:
Scene 1:
You probably often are indoctrinated by part of Taiwanese claiming government of The Republic of China in Taiwan is Chinese government-in-exile and KMT Chinese Mainlanders are oppressors, a group of dictators & even colonists, and these people should go back to where they are from.
Usually I first accept and respect their views. Then I state the irrefutable fact that those so-called Taiwanese are not indigenous Taiwanese but the descents of colonists Hoklo people. Their ancestors did the same things as Portugueses and Spanish men did in South America - Colonization of Taiwan. Many Hoklo people came to Taiwan island without wife and children and they killed indigenous Taiwanese males, conquered land of indigenous Taiwanese, and seized indigenous females to use as resource of sex and producing offspring. Their ancestors were definitely colonists of Taiwan who conducted cultural genocide. As we all know, so-called "台語/Taiwanese language" is not the language of indigenous Taiwanese and Taiwanese language is none of their business. Plus, That's why many Taiwanese claim they are blood-mixed with aboriginals and even ridiculously make use of this as an excuse to claim that many of them Taiwanese are not Han Chinese and thus deserve independence of their Taiwan .
Once I asked them, if you think these KMT Chinese mainlanders as outcomers and even colonists and they should be driven away, what do you think about yourselves? Aren't you outcomers and colonists who should be driven away as well according to your logic and noble values? Isn't it justifiable?
Guess how they reacted? Majority of them kept silent afterwards and one Taiwanese young guy argued that Western colonists are never willing to leave Northern & Southern Americas and Oceania, why shall we?
Actually many of their ancestors are accomplices of Imperial Japanese military. They don't honor China's great contributions and sacrifice to anti-fascism war and legal right to gain the territory stolen by Japan.
Since they always consider them as the most pathetic group, they switch the roles between victims of territorial cessation due to China's defeat in First Sino-Japanese War and thanksgivers with gratitude to Imperial Japanese rule without any feeling of violation.
However, Ironically, when as the role of victims of territorial cessation due to China's defeat in First Sino-Japanese War, although more than hundreds of thousands of Taiwanese were massacred under Japanese rule, these Taiwanese would not claim compensation and apology from Japan and glorify the period of Japanese rule; when as the role of thanksgivers with gratitude to Imperial Japanese rule and accomplices of Imperial Japanese military(Several dozens of thousands of Taiwanese joined Japanese armies to invade Southeast Asia & China Mainland, and 420K Taiwanese voluntarily signed up for Imperial Japanese Army), they don't think they deserve status of defeated country as Nazi Germany which ceded East Prussia to Poland and Königsberg to Soviet Union. In contrast, they should have been treated as a colony and have had right of Resident Self-Determination.
Taiwanese are always thinking them as the most innocent and pathetic. For China, they adopt another standard that Outer Mongolia could secede from China with help of Soviet Union and A lot of lands in China was occupied by Imperial Russia, why can't we?
That guy won the lottery, why can't We (Taiwanese)? That guy was bullied, why can't be you(Chinese)? LOL. God is unfair.
Now you know how these Taiwanese people are conducting their double standards. "裝睡的人，你永遠也叫不醒。" You Can't Wake Up A Person Who Is Pretending To Be Asleep.
Scene 2: You can see a lot of Taiwanese describing Chinese mainlanders as poorly educated, narrowly minded, and even dirty. Compared to Chinese Mainlanders, they especially in the south of Taiwan consider them as well educated, civilized, and superior.
You can see tons of stuffs in Taiwan trying to persuade public that China and Chinese have no culture and are also evil, poisonous, dirty, and poor. They even dare to behave as racists and in public advocate "支那賤畜，外來種滾/You, cheap Domestic Animals from China, Outcomers(Chinese Mainlanders), get out of Taiwan!"
I ever mocked part of Taiwanese,"You let me fully realize what Taiwanese cherish. The most barbarous Communist Party of China educates(brainwashes) their under-privileged poor people to be friendly with Taiwanese people and they are our brothers & sisters, meanwhile so-called superior & civilized TAIWANESE and these universal values believers dare spare no effort to brace the most shameless racist statement declaring China and Chinese are all evil, poisonous, dirty and cheap.
Ironically, when extremist Muslims in the Middle East, Europe and the United States massacred innocent civilians in name of Allah and wanted Sharia law to rule the whole world. Hillary Clinton probably is one of the most hypocritical politicians but she would say: "Let’s be clear: Islam is not our adversary. Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism."
At that time point, I "had" a more thorough conviction of Taiwanese democracy and the declared advanced & civilized society in Taiwan. Left behind many Taiwanese "interesting" views such as most of Taiwanese Comfort Women were voluntary and not forced into sexual slavery, Japanese rule was not colonization, and Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity of Imperial Japan was not an invasion.
In fact, disputes of doctrines ultimately come down to disputes of interest. Isn't it?
Let me give my 2 cents on analysis of the root cause:
The real reason is that these Taiwanese from the South of Taiwan need a sense of their superiority and claim they are far superior to Mainlanders and more civilized. People always want superiority or kind of equivalences to justify everything they own, their value and their meaning of existence.
Apparently, Taiwanese with this opnion are totally wrong. Also, I know there has been a lot of anti-Chinese propaganda in Taiwan’s media and education.
However, the root cause of Taiwanese hating Chinese is that China’s peaceful rise and great achievement are proving their systems and what they believe in are probably wrong and even they are losers.
They attribute their failures in economy, ideology, and even moral to China and Chinese. People may not care about being called devils but certainly hate being called losers because ‘loser’ probably means lose everything.
Your success and even existence may be the root cause of your competitors losing their fame, wealth, status, and even country. Theodore Roosevelt says: “The Only Good Indians Are the Dead Indians.”
A large percentage of Taiwanese believe that misfortune of Taiwanese originates from China, Chinese culture and even Chinese people. They are always trying to persuade others and even themselves they are the most pathetic. They wish China’s economy collapses and China can break up into pieces. They hate Chinese not willing to free up living space to make themselves Taiwanese great(maybe great again).
That's why I answered NO at the same time.
Several months ago, I read a comment of one article in the New York Times on Western Countries’ attitudes on Catalonia Independence Referendum.
He says, "It's amazing to see how overwhelmingly the Western governments, politicians and media react against on Catalonia's independence, while hypocritically support the separatists of other countries. Democracy is right only when it serves your own interests".
Do I get the essence of Western Democracy?
After all, Pharisaical spirit probably is the most despicable yet stubborn human feeling.
这个导演还能代表蔡英文么。蔡英文再想独立，敢以台湾官方名义，出正式声明吗？习再不堪，还要去理会一个政治上不入流的人？ ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
要独立就要打仗啊。没有流血的觉悟，靠嘴皮子是没法独立的。湾湾现在都是想靠爱独立吗？这么天真。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
说得好像大陆不同意，你就敢宣布台湾独立似的。当然也许你敢，因为你说了也不算啊，陈水扁菜英文可都没敢说
原来湾湾都认为有一个官方认可的“台湾国”。真是一代不如一代。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
你们爱咋咋地 台湾是不可能独立的 别做白日梦了 维持现状就行了
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导致华人大妈打嘴仗。
你爱独不独反正然并卵的事情，跑错场合真是脑子有毛病哦。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
你这逻辑完全不对。大陆改革开放后发展迅速，就能抹杀台湾当初拿的黄金对台湾经济的重大作用？这逻辑不对。大陆的资源和市场和发展轨道，是台湾能完全类比的吗？
有脑子的人也知道一个经济实体注入那么多资金会有多大用。
都是为了选战。大陆才没人愿意去撩
有些是打简体反串的台独
嗯，也是很明白为什么台湾人越来越低的认同感了
我知道不知道不重要。我幼稚不幼稚也不重要。
关键人家是这么说的~巩俐这么信的~
我当然知道台湾政府是绿的啊。但是没真官宣独立，大陆为啥要鸟。台湾人民再想独立，现在也就这些场合叫叫。然后自high罢了。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
说真的，我也就是觉得这两岸问题还真不是钱的问题。拿什么当年国库黄金和故宫文物说事的，很好笑而已。真要是钱和文物的问题，早谈拢了。独立了台湾也不见得就没钱啊。以前台湾和大陆分割的开的时候，也混成四小龙了。
其实何苦装一副名正言顺，义愤填膺的样子？事实就是大陆看上台湾那块地了。大概，那地界比蒙古啥的，军事意义更大些，所以无论如何是不能放弃的。然后，台湾人对大陆尤其是大陆那个政府很是不喜欢，不愿意回来。台湾这地方，又是人家祖辈就一直住的，肯定也不愿意走。这不就僵住了。 美华人都在美国了，还对台湾喊打喊杀的，就没必要吧。
你这是真酸。自我麻醉吧。
哈哈，国际社会的认同靠实力。被同情或者被当作棋子不等同于被认同。
你完全没看懂提到黄金和文物的context， 等你看懂再笑也不迟：）
巩俐自己都说了。
去问联合国呗。大陆何时官方让台湾让出台湾了。大陆从来都是认为岛是我的。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
经济手段就够用了，暂时没必要用武力，落人话柄。
而且大陆发展更重要，少数人乱蹦跶就吓唬吓唬加上封杀就差不多了。
每次有人说起台湾独立，我就说：先把蒋介石带去的故宫国宝和真金白银还给我们，因为那是属于中华民族的财富。然后就尬安静。。。
你认同你是雌雄同体，只要没事别脑残要求男女同厕影响别人，who tm care。
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他们是不甘心接受被大陆超越抛在后面的现实还停留在茶叶蛋的认识阶段。
再说了从小教育洗脑不是白弄的。
巩皇威武！
想象得到如果大陆动武你们这些人会哭哭啼啼的哭诉被欺负了要外援。哈哈哈。
到底flg怎么培训的，这都分不清。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
其实带到台湾的黄金也是装在了高层的私人腰包吧，哪里都一样。老百姓跟着瞎咧咧，就跟谁能左右政局一样。
举别人例子有什么用，开放国家又不是全都发展起来的。
睁眼硬说那么大一笔资金对经济发展没大作用，也是醉了。
练功的和台独应该是一伙吧，都反大陆。
跟无逻辑自我蒙蔽的人说话太难。
人家给你免签不见得因为实力因为认同。不给免签未必不认同国家实力。
被当作劲敌好过被当作无害跟班棋子。当然你可以不认同。
本来谁也没说要去“统一”它
因为一直就在说“一中各表”
都没有承认分裂，何来统一？
而且以前影视制作里也只写台湾/香港这种
奥运会/亚运会是“中华台北”
它们非要作
结果现在都强制挂名“中国台湾”
不然甭来大陆挣钱
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香港这几年买办做艰难，火气很大啊。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
大陆跟美国可以谈条件是作为竞争对手的。跟台湾就不必了。台湾看着大陆和美国谈判自己也就躲在美国后面意淫一下，够可怜的，根本不是一个级别的。
台湾艺人发表台独言论就不要想着到大陆赚钱。
tg不如摆摆姿态
允许国民党，民进党，其它陪跑党来参选国家领导
反正到时候他们选票也不够
台湾如果喊“三民主义一统华夏”也不会引发那么多抵触情绪
但现在两岸真是都被“台独”捆绑利用了
就像当初的北朝鲜金胖子玩那一手一样
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哈哈哈，人家英国欧美之间免签，跟你台湾获得的免签是同样原因？
你们是不是觉得获得了欧美国家同样的免签俨然久就被当作一个强国对待了？太好笑的自我麻醉了。