我相信lz是在线视频被抓 但是是不是在不知情情况下被p2p了 redit上看到的 “Depends on the site. Some stream content direct from their servers, other use a torrent swarm” 所以多瑙会不会有部分电影是通过sever看,有部分就是通过插件bt看的 lz有没有装多瑙的什么插件?
Bodyguard Productions, Inc. is the producer of ‘The Hitman’s Bodyguard’ who has been suing Internet users for allegedly obtaining their movie for free instead of paying the appropriate licensing fees.
Bodyguard Productions, Inc. just filed 109 new cases in Illinois. The Hitman’s Bodyguard was a huge hit when it was released in summer 2017, however, pristine, high-quality pirated copies were leaked online just 8 days post-theatrical release.
At this point in the process, defendants are still anonymous, identified only as John Doe. They will remain known as John Doe on the public court docket until their Internet company (such as Comcast, Cox, Verizon or AT&T) releases their names and addresses to the movie company’s attorneys.
Before that release happens, Internet subscribers will receive a letter notifying them that they are being targeted in the copyright infringement lawsuits.
Defendants will be given the opportunity to file a motion to quash the ISP subpoena to prevent their names and addresses from being released.
By using RTMFP, applications that rely on live, real‐time communications, such as social networking services and multi‐user games will be able to deliver higher quality communication solutions. RTMFP enables end‐users to connect and communicate directly with each other using their computer’s microphone and webcam. This solution enhances the current functionality in the Flash Player by creating a higher quality solution that will perform better regardless of variations in the network. RTMFP is a peer-to-peer system, but is only designed for direct end user to end user communication for real-time communication, not for file sharing between multiple peers using segmented downloading.[2] Facebook uses this protocol in its Pipe application[3] to transfer big files directly between two users.
Is RTMFP the same as other peering solutions, such as BitTorrent or Kontiki? Can RTMFP deliver large files over peer-to-peer, similar to BitTorrent? No. These other solutions are swarming solutions, which use many to many P2P communications to share the distribution of files among large numbers of clients. RTMFP enables direct end user to end user communication for live, real-time communication solutions, not file transfer.
Is RTMFP the same as other peering solutions, such as BitTorrent or Kontiki? Can RTMFP deliver large files over peer-to-peer, similar to BitTorrent? No. These other solutions are swarming solutions, which use many to many P2P communications to share the distribution of files among large numbers of clients. RTMFP enables direct end user to end user communication for live, real-time communication solutions, not file transfer.
出去吃了个午饭, 被大家说成了骗子. 我骗你们什么了? 案件号:18-cv-02495,法院:United states District Court for the Northern District of Illinois. 这些都是骗子? 原告获取了几百IP地址(不知道如何获得的), 我这个案件里有我的IP, 然后原告发律师函给我的ISP, 要我的地址. ISP 就发提醒信告诉我有这么个事情. 我自己上网找的律师. 有些人怎么上来就定性了这是个骗局? hawkusst 发表于 6/20/2018 1:29:30 PM
出去吃了个午饭, 被大家说成了骗子. 我骗你们什么了? 案件号:18-cv-02495,法院:United states District Court for the Northern District of Illinois. 这些都是骗子? 原告获取了几百IP地址(不知道如何获得的), 我这个案件里有我的IP, 然后原告发律师函给我的ISP, 要我的地址. ISP 就发提醒信告诉我有这么个事情. 我自己上网找的律师. 有些人怎么上来就定性了这是个骗局? hawkusst 发表于 6/20/2018 1:29:30 PM
我也猜测是这样,不知你是猜测还是确知?
不知你是否知道该插件的名称,它是否显示在浏览器的插件列表里?
感觉这个靠谱
感谢lz分享这个经历。我也常在多瑙追剧,现在也要注意了。真没想到就在线看看也会出问题。
你见过起诉书了?脑补的厉害。我就是告诉大家我的经历,爱信不信。
谢谢
搜了一下,这个公司那个电影的制作发行方,所以楼主的case倒是没什么问题
但是是不是在不知情情况下被p2p了
redit上看到的
“Depends on the site. Some stream content direct from their servers, other use a torrent swarm”
所以多瑙会不会有部分电影是通过sever看,有部分就是通过插件bt看的
lz有没有装多瑙的什么插件?
是的,必须要抓到包,才算证据确凿
否则,一个ip,做了什么都没证据,拿什么上法庭?
comcast是ISP里面出了名的臭名昭著
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在线看也是下载到本地缓存里的
在线和下载区别不大
关键在于是否有上传,传播和扩散
就说大家现在打开网页吧,每个网页都有几个广告,你控制不了的,网页在广告里播放个正版电影,最后要你罚款?不合逻辑嘛
抓到包之后,用的BT软件、软件版本、端口、请求的文件名,都一清二楚。
一般来说,版权商发出律师函的时候,都会把这些信息列出来,根本不是什么一个IP这么简单。
但因为版权方要亲自钓鱼,所以守株待兔效率低,每次能抓的人非常有限。钓一段时间,攒上一拨人,一起起诉。
这个帖子大家讨论的焦点是楼主怎么可能网页上用http协议看电影会被抓,纯技术讨论。
并不提倡看盗版,我们也没有足够的信息来判断楼主应不应该和解(因为楼主可能隐瞒了部分事实)。
对,关键是传播扩散这个上,尤其是牟利的那种传播扩散。就算在bt电驴年代真的小老百姓看看也就是受到警告也就那样了,告你个小老百姓也没钱拿得不偿失,人要抓的是有油水的靠这个赚钱的。
现在这个就是浏览观看就强行算是也能入罪有事那岂不是赚大发了和强盗一样了,看那个浏览量简直了
没错,楼主前面提到她用的是Chrome,每隔一段时间Chrome会自动清理缓存,就连浏览记录Chrome也只能保存30天还是90天,具体数字忘了。
所以她拿到警告的时候,极有可能电脑里根本也没有那段缓存了。
lz当然要维护那个律师的说法自己不是被骗钱了啊。否则岂不是承认自己白花这钱了吗。其实楼主和挤牙膏一样,一点也没说详细说清楚到底咋回事。而且一听到要上庭好像就吓死了赶紧就花钱了的这么个流程
谁要听你的添油加醋遮遮掩掩的“经历”?
你把你收到的correspondence,抹去个人信息,发出来,让大家看看具体的wording,马上就一清二楚了。
这个帖子学习到了好多
同理可证
我自己拍个DV,然后去申请个版权
然后我去买个广告,把DV插播到广告里,让其他人打开各种新闻网页门户网站的时候自动播放
然后我去起诉说很多很多人都看了我的正版DV,找他们要钱
法律上不合逻辑嘛
自己看图
多瑙用的是flash, 而flash是支持p2p的,例如BT。 所以就算用浏览器看,如果你有flash, 基本不用安装插件的。 如果种子是版权商的钓鱼种子, 基本就是一抓一个准。 所以要想安全看这些, 还是要用好的VPN的。
看图
Bodyguard Productions, Inc. is the producer of ‘The Hitman’s Bodyguard’ who has been suing Internet users for allegedly obtaining their movie for free instead of paying the appropriate licensing fees.
Bodyguard Productions, Inc. just filed 109 new cases in Illinois.
The Hitman’s Bodyguard was a huge hit when it was released in summer 2017, however, pristine, high-quality pirated copies were leaked online just 8 days post-theatrical release.
At this point in the process, defendants are still anonymous, identified only as John Doe. They will remain known as John Doe on the public court docket until their Internet company (such as Comcast, Cox, Verizon or AT&T) releases their names and addresses to the movie company’s attorneys.
Before that release happens, Internet subscribers will receive a letter notifying them that they are being targeted in the copyright infringement lawsuits.
Defendants will be given the opportunity to file a motion to quash the ISP subpoena to prevent their names and addresses from being released.
我猜也是这个方向,谢谢解惑。
ISP不是利益方也不是起诉方,没事也不会去抓这种事,除了某些高校的网络主动去抓校内盗版。
99.99%的情况,楼主是在用BT下载多瑙上的种子,
碰巧遇上版权商通过钓鱼做种,直接和下载人握手建立连接,获得IP地址。
通过BT下载时,会用到特殊端口、特殊协议,罪证确凿,起诉书上也写明用了BT软件下载。
之后,版权方再拿着IP地址,去找ISP(Comcast这时候才知道),Comcast通过查IP租约记录(一般来说这是ISP唯一保存的信息)追踪到楼主,再把这件事forward给楼主。
这种被抓包的情况,楼主抵赖不了,咨询了几个律师之后,乖乖交钱。但又心有不甘非常懊悔,所以上网来来散布假新闻。
如果用点播软件/网站直接看的话,用户和点播网站打交道,点播网站和版权方打交道,用户和版权方八竿子打不着。
这个case,是因为抓到确切的BT下载端口、协议、IP、握手信息,能够证明楼主不是bonafide,才能够起诉的。
might 发表于 6/20/2018 9:25:16 PM
赞专业解释,但是露珠说了,只是在线看,
谢谢介绍。怪不得flash要被淘汰,太evil了
evil的是多瑙和你们这些图便宜不care法律的low人
如果像我这样在这个阶段和解的, 是见不到原告的诉状的, 只有不和解,法院才会把原告的诉状和传票发给你。
也许evil让你过敏了,那你把理解成powerful也大差不差。
这后一句只能呵呵了
不用VPN, 而用BT或电驴下载基本就是找死,
如果下载HTTP的应该还行, 不过速度基本不够。如果一定要下载,可以买newsgroup或private tracker来下。
https://www.theverge.com/2015/1/27/7926001/youtube-drops-flash-for-html5-video-default
BT是p2p的一种,但p2p不仅仅是BT。
你的链接里说了,flash p2p用的是rtmfp协议,和BT协议是两回事。
哪怕多瑙的flash或者客户端有p2p功能,也只能是多瑙用户之间互相加速,不太可能连到版权商钓鱼的BT客户端上。
哪怕连上了,楼主的客户端也是一个streaming website/software,而不是专门的BT上传下载软件,最多说是被钓鱼误伤了,case是不成立的。
在线看当然没问题, 我猜是多瑙是用flash的P2P方法来播放没版权的钓鱼种子, LZ在这个时候看了视频就中枪了。
你的律师有没有先file motion to quash the case?
这个费用更高,还不一定能批准,不批准,原告就知道你的信息了
请教为什么你能确定版权商用的是bt协议呢?它不能用rtmfp协议吗?
By using RTMFP, applications that rely on live, real‐time communications, such as social networking services and multi‐user games will be able to deliver higher quality communication solutions. RTMFP enables end‐users to connect and communicate directly with each other using their computer’s microphone and webcam. This solution enhances the current functionality in the Flash Player by creating a higher quality solution that will perform better regardless of variations in the network. RTMFP is a peer-to-peer system, but is only designed for direct end user to end user communication for real-time communication, not for file sharing between multiple peers using segmented downloading.[2] Facebook uses this protocol in its Pipe application[3] to transfer big files directly between two users.
Is RTMFP the same as other peering solutions, such as BitTorrent or Kontiki? Can RTMFP deliver large files over peer-to-peer, similar to BitTorrent?
No. These other solutions are swarming solutions, which use many to many P2P communications to share the distribution of files among large numbers of clients. RTMFP enables direct end user to end user communication for live, real-time communication solutions, not file transfer.
https://www.adobe.com/products/adobe-media-server-extended/rtmfp-faq.html
Is RTMFP the same as other peering solutions, such as BitTorrent or Kontiki? Can RTMFP deliver large files over peer-to-peer, similar to BitTorrent?
No. These other solutions are swarming solutions, which use many to many P2P communications to share the distribution of files among large numbers of clients. RTMFP enables direct end user to end user communication for live, real-time communication solutions, not file transfer.
有人查到这个案件号码了吗?
这个是你的律师告诉你的?他们以前做过这个没有?file a motion根本不需要几千律师费的
用app就等着被抓吧,你想想好好的网页上能放的东西为啥他要费力做app?
Flash能不能真的P2P还存疑,因为并没有靠谱的网页下载BT的软件。
但就算是播放软件(包括优酷在内),用的也是proprietary的协议,说的通俗点就是内网用户群体间的通讯,不是你外面人随便想连就能连进去的。
版权商用通用的BT,才能钓到更多的人,而取得用户信息后,纯上传下载软件、也比一个stream软件有说服力得多。
苹果哪管得过来,你举报一下他立马下架信不信。
哦,你没收到诉状,但其实诉状是公开的,可在pacer.gov上找到,要看的话要交点钱,一页一毛钱左右
我相问一下,你见律师时是说我的确看了,你看怎么办。还是一口咬定我没看,这个怎么办?
不明白你想说明什么?
楼主没见过律师,网上找的律师,让律师和对方和解了。
我有点怀疑楼主找的就是搜索引擎给出的Antonelli Law或Cashman Law
没有诉状,就不清楚控方的证据是什么
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楼主的案件号就是这篇文章后面列的那一大串案件号中的一个
这个版上平时不是总有自称律师的ID跳出来,这个案子,这些律师给看看吧,到底怎么回事。
这最后是什么结论啊?能人们能最后总结一下吗?
https://www.antonelli-law.com/bittorrent-isp-subpoena/bodyguard-productions-inc-2/
https://russellfirmchicago.com/chicago-hit-bodyguard-productions/
楼主就是看了《Hitman's bodyguard》这部电影。
还有这个:
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/24173185/BODYGUARD_PRODUCTIONS,_INC_v_DOES_132
但是我老很怀疑原告律师有时间一个一个起诉被告吗?如果那样估计美国法庭外面要排好几年的队伍。
你这个有链接明明是广告。。。
不知道您的这个逻辑从何而来?我只是说了有这个事情,有这个人物。如果我说了辛普森杀人案找了李昌钰做辩护方的证人这个新闻,那就是我给李昌钰做了广告?
昏倒,apple app store除了这个“人人”,其他的都不可以看,我觉得它家应该是有版权的吧,
爱奇艺在国外看很慢吧
这案子好啊, 一个案子养活两律所, 无论给原告还是被告干,都能收到智商税。