We have a $375 Billion+ trade deficit with China. China doesn't allow our top service companies to operate (Amazon, Google, Netflix, Uber, Facebook) and continuously harasses/restricts Apple, Facebook, Cisco through censorship and IP theft. Any US company is forced to transfer tech to a local partner who steals the tech through back door and sets up their own shop undercutting the partner.
USA did not start the trade war as China has engaged in unilateral trade war for 20+ years. Free trade proponents said when we lose low cost manufacturing jobs we move up the value chain. We did but all of our high tech service companies are banned and in the sheltered market there came about Baidu, Tencent and Alibaba and they are free to do business in USA. What gives? Finally after the glorified empty talk of the last 20 years, this admin's trade action is starting to take action.
Subscriber 4 hours ago Much of China's population has become accustom to a better standard of living. Millions will be very disappointed if the government cannot continue that standard. Can Xi blame America and the populace accepts the explanation? Or, will they hold Xi's fragile Communist regime responsible? It may not be a risk that Xi is willing to take for long. In order words, China would have to cave long before the U.S. would. Why start a battle they cannot finish?
It is necessary for the U.S. to level the playing field with China. Not only in direct trade but more open and fair trade within the economic system. Sure, we gain a few profits from companies in China, but we lose far more from the trade deficit, and the imbalance of China owned companies in the United States. To continue delaying the task of taking on China would only be that more difficult in the future. President Trump is doing the right thing, and all Americans should stand with our country through this process.
Subscriber 4 hours ago Our trade deficit with China is beyond massive. Other than a few select US companies/industries, I do not see how we can lose a trade war. China has been eating our lunch and stealing our intellectual property for decades (how do you think they got where they are economically in a few short years?). I have no problem with paying more for US products. And, anyone who wants the US to remain the world's most powerful country had better be willing to fork over a few more bucks..
Subscriber 4 hours ago Much of China's population has become accustom to a better standard of living. Millions will be very disappointed if the government cannot continue that standard. Can Xi blame America and the populace accepts the explanation? Or, will they hold Xi's fragile Communist regime responsible? It may not be a risk that Xi is willing to take for long. In order words, China would have to cave long before the U.S. would. Why start a battle they cannot finish?
It is necessary for the U.S. to level the playing field with China. Not only in direct trade but more open and fair trade within the economic system. Sure, we gain a few profits from companies in China, but we lose far more from the trade deficit, and the imbalance of China owned companies in the United States. To continue delaying the task of taking on China would only be that more difficult in the future. President Trump is doing the right thing, and all Americans should stand with our country through this process.
Subscriber 4 hours ago Our trade deficit with China is beyond massive. Other than a few select US companies/industries, I do not see how we can lose a trade war. China has been eating our lunch and stealing our intellectual property for decades (how do you think they got where they are economically in a few short years?). I have no problem with paying more for US products. And, anyone who wants the US to remain the world's most powerful country had better be willing to fork over a few more bucks.. ScottishFold 发表于 6/16/2018 12:47:59 PM
人家要宽衣,怎么会勒裤带?
继续看戏。
好。中崩我都盼了几十年了,都是因为信这个错过了入手两都房子的好时候。
千万别不打。这次不把中国打出屎来,成千上万的人在两都的摩天大楼上当空降兵,千万不要停。
老子手头的美金都攒得发霉了,一直找不到接盘的好时机。
国家继续提高出口补贴?
:-)
有可能的
美国也好德国也好,他们那些倒闭了的企业都无法再回来;要想制造业回流,他们需要以下几个中至少一个条件:提供和竞争对手一样有竞争力的商品,闭关锁国没有竞争者,全球化结束(自己不闭门,别人的门全都关了,你没有竞争者)。美国制造业回流能满足哪个条件?
美国也好,德国也好,不断有新的企业创立,美国现在正在帮助本土企业发展,川普的政策下,美国的中小企业都比以往更有活力,川普的政策也向制造业倾斜。全球政治风向右转,逆全球化是必然的趋势,现在是全球越来越抵制中国。你以为别的国家都和中国一样是独裁政治僵化体制吗,真是幼稚。
什么第一第二的,是骡子是马,出来溜溜再说。
中共在加入WTO之前,就完全没有要遵守的意思,当时就组织了专门的班子,研究WTO的漏洞,如何不遵守或拖延。美国现在要中共开放市场、保护知识产权,不是美国强加给它什么“丧权辱国”的要求,而是它当时加入世贸时的承诺,请问它做到了吗?如果你现在不能在中国的美国银行直接存款,如果你今天在中国能很容易地下载美国的电脑软件、看大量的美剧,那就证明中国加入世贸17年了,还在违反世贸协议、干着损害别国的事情。1年别人可以等,5年别人也可以等,可17年过去了,中共不仅不想改,而食髓知味、变本加厉,把过去这些年的做法总结成“经验”,上升为“国家战略”,一方面把强行让在华外企转让技术作为外国对华投资的要求,另一方面却利用着西方的开放,由国家在背后操控通过并购、合资等手段获得美欧的技术,这就是它所谓的“中国制造2025计划”。中国有句古话,己所不欲勿施于人,如果你不愿美欧来侵犯你,你就不要侵犯别人。现在川普政府要求的就是公平贸易,很简单,你要进入我的市场,我也要进入你的市场,否则我也对你关闭。就这么简单的理。但到了党媒嘴里,就是“亡我之心不死”,“美国发动贸易战”、“中国发展了,美国害怕了”、“遏制中国崛起”,“谈,随时欢迎;打,奉陪到底”,“中国不是吓大的”等等,这不是颠倒是非是什么?!这不是忽悠百姓是什么?
明显,你认为美国通过政策优惠,能使制造业提供和中国货一样的性价比(价廉 物美),那么这和你们制裁中国的籍口—-通过退税补贴、低价倾销、破坏市场规则,区别何在?
一看你就是没爬楼,你根本就是低估了美国人. 很多ID人都不在美国就在这里瞎扯。
是的,衣食住行美国的基本生活用品,美国根本不需要靠中国,从奥巴马政府时期,美国就已经开始有目的的把这些转向其它国家制造了,中国货很多可以替代. 中国现在人工成本越来越高,竞争力越来越差了。
美国这次对中国产品上关税主要就是针对科技产品。
也因此,美中互打,别国看热闹甚或趁机捞好处,那是人性本质,不必大惊小怪。等美国加拿大互打,或者任何其他两国互打,别的国家也都是一样看热闹,这没什么奇怪,或者应该感到被孤立的羞耻感(就像你无意识地潜意识里想表达的中国人该感到的那样),如果第三国加入,也绝不是出于友情深,只是有利可图而已。
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We have a $375 Billion+ trade deficit with China. China doesn't allow our top service companies to operate (Amazon, Google, Netflix, Uber, Facebook) and continuously harasses/restricts Apple, Facebook, Cisco through censorship and IP theft. Any US company is forced to transfer tech to a local partner who steals the tech through back door and sets up their own shop undercutting the partner.
USA did not start the trade war as China has engaged in unilateral trade war for 20+ years. Free trade proponents said when we lose low cost manufacturing jobs we move up the value chain. We did but all of our high tech service companies are banned and in the sheltered market there came about Baidu, Tencent and Alibaba and they are free to do business in USA. What gives? Finally after the glorified empty talk of the last 20 years, this admin's trade action is starting to take action.
还是你打完中国这个逆差敌,过几年再去打越南逆差敌?
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Much of China's population has become accustom to a better standard of living. Millions will be very disappointed if the government cannot continue that standard. Can Xi blame America and the populace accepts the explanation? Or, will they hold Xi's fragile Communist regime responsible? It may not be a risk that Xi is willing to take for long. In order words, China would have to cave long before the U.S. would. Why start a battle they cannot finish?
It is necessary for the U.S. to level the playing field with China. Not only in direct trade but more open and fair trade within the economic system. Sure, we gain a few profits from companies in China, but we lose far more from the trade deficit, and the imbalance of China owned companies in the United States. To continue delaying the task of taking on China would only be that more difficult in the future. President Trump is doing the right thing, and all Americans should stand with our country through this process.
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4 hours ago
Our trade deficit with China is beyond massive. Other than a few select US companies/industries, I do not see how we can lose a trade war. China has been eating our lunch and stealing our intellectual property for decades (how do you think they got where they are economically in a few short years?). I have no problem with paying more for US products. And, anyone who wants the US to remain the world's most powerful country had better be willing to fork over a few more bucks..
连红脖子农民都说如果我们需要做出牺牲,我们也准备好了。说实在的,川普让他们对左派扬眉吐气,经济上吃点亏也能够接受。更别说川普也不会真的让他们吃大亏。
加拿大肯定是要给美国让步的,欧盟说回应美国的关税也是雷声大雨点小,因为美国是最大贸易逆差国啊,都不敢得罪美国。看看最近加拿大安省的选举结果,也是右派上台。美国把给中国的订单转给其它国家,人家高兴死了。没有了对美国的贸易顺差,中国根本就没钱再给其它国家好处了,到时候等着被翻脸吧。
买便宜货的本来就不指望什么质量,这种低端货其它国家一样生产,根本不是非要中国。对质量有要求的那就更不需要买中国货了。
你怎么知道就没回流呢,不光是美企回流,只要在美国卖东西的企业为了规避贸易战的风险,都要重新战略布局,美国制造业指数川普上台后非常好。川普保护的就是中高端制造业。
川普上台靠的就是WORKING CLASS,这是美国的大多数,而这些人已经强烈觉醒,意识到工作都被中国抢了,东西便宜有什么用啊,他们的税还要养失业的美国人,所以别以为美国人傻,美国人聪明的很,所以选了川普上台。中国人是没选择。
川普发的推特就是在不断让美国人明白是中国在占美国的便宜,而且中共在南海,台湾,朝鲜问题上处处和美国作对,也让美国人越来越清醒了,看明白中共就是一个白眼狼,所以美国人现在是明白了。
倒是大陆人整天活在厉害了我的国的梦了,危机近了还不知道。
美国高中低端其实都有,我穿的袜子就是美国制造,美国小企业做的。
英国退欧就是必然的,川普上台也是必然的,全球的经济政治风向其实就是如此。全世界其实受不了中国这么乱搞下去的,目前的贸易体系是无法持续的,必然要重大改变。
这是真的, 去展会打着美国制造的越来越多了
通常争议和非议越大,被人骂的越多的领导人。反而是比较能做事的(或者说有远见的)。比如雍正在位十三年(实际时长十二年),把爹的一屁股债擦干净了,还给儿子攒下一堆钱,每天和劳模一样玩命的干活,被人骂的和狗一样。提法都是康乾盛世,感觉没他雍正什么事。像乾隆这种货色,和大臣讲你怎么能贪这么多钱分我点(议罪银);怕被清官骂,说那我再分你们点吧(养廉银);没事下个江南泡个妞(六巡),写一堆文学垃圾(产诗最多皇帝),花钱买个世界成就修四库全书(实际上毁一堆书)。躺着花他爹的银子不操心国事,身心愉悦活的最久的皇帝,你看十全老人名声特别好。同理你看奥巴马,花一堆钱(美帝国债指数上升),养一堆闲人,搞一堆垃圾政策,没事站在道德高地上喊上几嗓子,年终开记者会表现下脱口秀。要人气有人气,要名气有名气,没做实质贡献就拿了个诺贝尔和平奖。有人说提问说他短视吗?
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商人都不傻,这就是商机啊,川普MAGA带动了美国爱国风潮,很多人愿意多出点钱买美国货的,这钱干嘛不赚啊。川普给美国企业减税,去监管,对本土企业利好。
美国是个高度私有化的市场,所以改变会很快的,商人对政治风险的触觉是很敏锐的。我要是老板,看到中美贸易摩擦的风险,也要早做准备,改变供应链。
奥大总统就是个政治花瓶,同样还有加拿大的土豆,都是后面的大佬们的扯线公仔,所以你看他在台上的时候没有干过一件事是,都是搞identitypolitics,为什么这些容易啊,挂扣号就行,脑子都不用动。和普京的对抗基本上是跑上去一脚勾跌普京,普京打了个踉跄反手打耳光子抽他,然后他只能悻悻走开的主。更是被中共骗完又骗,下飞机都只能钻狗洞。也难怪中共膨胀了。
而且川普做到了还不需要美国出钱,韩国,日本,新加坡,中国去出钱。然后金正恩回国对川普评价高。奥巴马到处给别人送钱反而让人小看美国。
这种舔法跟小粉红可以一拼了
TPP也是一条路
说真的,我还真没觉得这场贸易战一定赢,美国的绝对优势还是在军事,要是把中国逼到搞热战,美国一定能赢,否则光打贸易战,嘿嘿,且行且看戏吧
离真做成了还有十万八千里
之前的TPP是美国求着其它国家,要给其它国家让很多利,非常损害美国的。现在川普是让其它国家来求美国,美国贸易逆差这么大,美国怕什么。中国现在的经济政策这么排外,以后肯定其它国家会越来越受不了中国,觉得美国好。
赶回家这条路是治本,是对的
但是美国劳动者的耐艹性跟中国没法比,这个问题也是个根本问题
乔布斯对纽时说的那个话:半夜三更叫几千工人爬起来上班 —— 这种对供应链的管理能力,正是中国工业化能力的一个绝对优势
总觉得这个问题不是几年能解决的,几年内解决不了,制造业回家就又黄了
金正恩这一代其实很西化,看金正恩在北韩弄个滑雪场就知道他心里非常向往自由世界,相当怀缅瑞士风情。金正恩心里肯定是特别希望搞经济,能堂堂正正的出国访问,不用偷偷摸摸的。
川普给足了他面子。金正恩为了自己的下一代也会和美国搞好关系的。
中国那高房价搞得人工成本越来越贵,中国那5险一金也给企业增加很多负担,日媒就分析了,随着中国老龄化,这税收会更重。中国也要搞环保,这也是增加企业负担的。
用机器人的话,中国的人力优势就没了。习近平现在搞计划经济,不利发展。
猫你这个想法有点扯
自由世界的瑞士风情,和权力在握想杀谁就杀谁,跟阿拉伯风情后宫佳丽三千天天酒池肉林,文工团女小兵裤子一扒随便搞,就一般人来看,酒池肉林可比滑雪好玩多了
没有酒池肉林,天天滑雪有个屁意思
习近平真愚蠢
天天被看作恐怖分子有啥好,金正恩他哥去英国看个演唱会,他自己看个NBA球赛还要偷偷摸摸怕被人发现。独裁国家搞不好以后自己就是被杀的那个,所以这次川金会金正恩强调要法律保护,美国保证他安全,他是个极聪明的人。
国内的人比美国人吃苦耐劳,能熬,但是老龄化无解,国内的真正危机就在这里,现在3-4线城市财政问题太大,就是和老龄化直接相关,60后每一年2500万退休,00后只有1500万,黑龙江的养老金余额都是负数了,其他省份就是下一个黑龙江。
媒体很多美国人都不信了,因为川普不断说他们是FAKE NEWS,哈哈。民意调查是支持川普对朝鲜的做法的。
Xs56。
非洲酋长,马来苏丹,中东王室,娃都是送剑桥牛津哈弗之类,一点不妨碍这些娃回国后, 更珍惜自己的既得利益,比父辈更过分。
其实吃苦也没啥用,美国人也很多能吃苦的,但是中国当时人工比美国便宜就搬走了。
你说的这些国家,并没有在世界上被孤立,还是可以堂堂正正的出访的,他们的孩子也是可以光明正大的生活,这对金正恩是很大的吸引,金家几代唯一的一次机会,是要抓住。现在美国考虑的是朝鲜和美国的关系,少了朝鲜这个敌人,川普能放开手做很多事情。
他获得政权合法化,以后睡觉都安稳。聪明人都会这么选。独裁者日子难过因为全世界都盯着你。所以我是搞不懂习近平的,把自己放在火上烤。要是他胸怀大略,全都是为了中华民族,我只能佩服他的牺牲精神了。怕就怕他搞不清楚什么才是对国民好,什么不是。
中共一直拿朝鲜作为要挟美国不打贸易战的筹码,所以从美国的战略上来说,川普和朝鲜搞好关系是对的。
新一代的早不能吃苦了。现在大多都是啃老月光,家里老人干家务带孩子,自己本质工作都干的歪歪扭扭的主。
本来中共集体领导是大进步,邓小平当年方面美国对他推崇备至,也就有了后来的改开,全中国的日子蒸蒸日上。现在经济稍微有些困难,政治又回到老路去了。无能是我辈啊。
中共怎么会这么轻易就放弃了一个筹码?三胖不是去了中国几次了么,究竟谈了些什么?不象是要踢开中国的架势啊。不会是让三胖打入敌人内部吧。也许今上在看着世界地图下一盘大棋
因为三胖要独立自主。中国要是管的住三胖,就不会让他搞那么多事了。三胖搞事目的就是要和美国谈。现在目的达到了。中国不想,但是也拦不住了。都打算要干掉三胖扶植大哥上台。自从三胖把大哥干掉了就没有了这个选项。
中共当然是不愿意放弃,所以给三胖钱啊什么的,但是三胖也不愿意听习指挥。
他真的有那么高明小胖飞新加坡机身上就不会刷着air China…一国领导人的眼皮浅成这样也没谁了
是的,三胖的心意从他刚上台的时候已经通过各种渠道对美国表达了,就是碰上奥巴这个垃圾。现在川普上台对金正恩那是千载难逢。
这个的确是公关的败笔,想刷纯在感不是这样刷的。