(Update) 关于犹他大学的唐晓琳,请大家一定帮我顶上去,动用一切信箱发这个email模板给帖子里的email列表

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summerhascome
楼主 (北美华人网)
之前我用手机没法编辑一楼。现在本楼内容已经更新到一楼。
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关于犹他大学的唐晓琳,请大家一定帮我顶上去,动用一切信箱发这个email模板给帖子里的email列表 ***************Update on 10/17/2017 10:41pm ET*************** lz刚刚才到家。刚来用电脑编辑了一下一楼。楼里有几个mm另外起草了邮件模板。谢谢大家,我都放在一楼,并且用分割线分开。大家可以任意挑选一个,因为楼里有人说如果大家都用同一个模板可能很难引起重视,容易进spam。 不得不说写模板的几个mm的文字功底比我好太多了!!!我只改了一下个别的大小写什么的。 另外有mm质疑唐mm是不是有学业之外的苦恼,为什么我们强烈要求utah大学through investigation呢。我在回复中放了一篇搜狐的报道。
http://www.sohu.com/a/198331652_380470
虽然我不能完全肯定里面内容的真实性,但是里面提到:
“有犹他大学的中国留学生近日来在网上留言,指责唐晓琳的导师Saffarian给她压力太大。”
“另外一位犹他大学的中国留学生爆料说:唐晓林的导师Saffarian和他老婆在犹他物理系‘开夫妻店’。他的老婆就有过不让美国博士生毕业的经历。这个美国女生在很多影响因子高的期刊发表了一作文章,还是被他老婆卡着不让毕业。最后请了律师闹了一通挂在别的导师名下毕了业。” ***************Update on 10/17/2017 10:41pm ET (end)*************** 原文于10/16/2017 11:50pm ET发表。 原文开始: 关于犹他大学的唐晓琳,请大家一定帮我顶上去,动用一切信箱发这个email模板给帖子里的email列表。
我刚才晚上10点才从公司回来,用了1个小时40分钟写了一下的email模板,并且搜了一下相关人的email地址。大家请送能用到的信箱发这个email模板给列表里的人。你就动动手指,就能帮助一些不认识的人。(email模板里可能有些语法错误,实在抱歉,我在很短的时间内写完的。)
这件事真是气死我了。那个导师居然知道唐晓琳自杀后就把唐晓琳的照片和姓名给删了。这不是此地无银三百两么?正常导师难道不是会写一封信放在lab website里表达自己的sorrow么?!
声明:我本人不认识唐,也不是她那个专业的,更不认识她导师。我也不是犹他大学的。我一辈子去过犹他两次都是因为顺利去黄石玩。我对穆斯林没有偏见,虽然我本身不是穆斯林。我就是十分看不过去一个女生,孤苦伶仃,最后被逼自杀因为博士读不下来。你可以说她脆弱,但是事实已经发生,我们要团结起来,让犹他大学的那个空间物理系,乃至整个犹他大学下次碰到这种情况,系里能有老师站出来speak up帮助学生!! =========summerhascome的3个邮件列表========= [email protected], [email protected],[email protected],[email protected], [email protected], [email protected],[email protected],[email protected] <- 以上是university of utah board of regents / board of trustees部分directors的联系方式。这个列表比较powerful,因为这些directors都是outsidedirectors,不用听校长指挥的。但是很多boardmember我搜不到他/她的email地址,这些是能够搜到的。如果大家能够搜到更多,请补充。姓名列表在这里 https://higheredutah.org/boardmembers/ https://admin.utah.edu/board-of-trustees/ [email protected],[email protected],[email protected],[email protected], [email protected] <- 以上是学校领导,分别是dean of graduate school, dean of students, director of international student and scholar, chair of physics and astronomy, president(没有找到他的私人email地址) [email protected], [email protected],[email protected],[email protected], [email protected],[email protected], [email protected],[email protected],[email protected], [email protected],[email protected],[email protected], [email protected], [email protected],[email protected],[email protected],[email protected],[email protected], [email protected], <-以上是physics and astronomy系里的tenured的fullprofessor的列表 PurpleOcean mm说有个别email可能错误。 =========summerhascome的3个邮件列表结束========= email模板开始 注意:大家可以把Saffarian这个名字换成Tang's advisor这个称呼,因为孔雀翎mm说现阶段指名道姓可能不是很好,我们现在只要求thorough investigation,不能假定什么。 =========PurpleOcean的email模板========= Xiaolin Tang's case is getting increasing public attention. I am one of the people among all hereby writing to request a thorough investigation on Xiaolin Tang's suicide. Xiaolin Tang, a Ph.D. candidate in the department of Space Physics atthe University of Utah, committed suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge on Oct 1, 2017. Before she died, she was in her ninth year in Professor Saveez Saffarian's lab at the University. Weare saddened and completely shocked by her suicide, but totally shocked when her information was deleted from her lab's website very soon without any mourning. We strongly question whether Xiaolin had been under unreasonable pressure and was pushed to commit suicide due to misconduct. The responsible parties should be held accountable, and the university needs to have proper policies and procedures to prevent this from happening again. This could severely damage the university's reputation without a thorough investigation and report back to the public. For the school's reputation, we sincerely request a thorough investigation and report back to the public. “这个样子怎么样?加了一个我觉得比较catching的开头, 然后第二段排列组合了下,我觉得还是要把我们对学校突然把xiaolin信息删掉的这点concern要点名出来~ 嗯那我发喽?!~~~” =========PurpleOcean的email模板结束========= =========Confuse mm的email模板========= “感激楼主的用心,但这封信我觉得写的不太好。很混乱。逻辑不清,语气也不逊。象医闹的架势。 我觉得先是对她的信息迅速被删除表示惊詫,然后抓住whether their stress and frustration was caused by regular acadmic work or reasonable pressure 来问责。每个读博士的都有压力,每个人不能拿到学位的也有原因,问题是她受到的压力是否不正常。里面很多的排比句连她保留F-1身份都提了,但是这只是混淆视听,模糊重点。 对不起楼主美眉,我了解你的热血热心。只是就这封信我觉得写的不妥。作为模版就不好了。希望有更好的文章出现。不然就是提一下” Weare saddened by her suicide, but totally shocked when her information was deleted from her lab's website very soon without any mourning. While we understand every Ph.D student has to go through struggle and frustration in his or her academic pursuit, we have to question whether the pressure Ms. Tang had been under was reasonable or not. If she was pushed to committed suicide due to treasonable pressure or misconduct, then not only the responsible parties should be identified and punitive damage be paid,but the school needs to make rules to ensure this does not happen again. For the school's reputation, we sincerely request a thorough investigation and report back to the public. =========Confuse mm的email模板结束========= =========嘉嘉拉de的email模板========= “呼唤楼主,结合楼主和另外一个mm改的,我改成了下面这样,希望更加简单直接,收信人可以快速了解发生了什么和我们的诉求。然后把楼主开始的问题附在后面。我觉得我们的语气应该更强硬一些,不知该怎么改,请大家建议” I'm writing to request a thorough investigation on Xiaolin Tang's suicide. XiaolinTang, a Ph.D. candidate in the department of Space Physics at the University of Utah, committed suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge on Oct 1, 2017.Before she died, she was in her ninth year in Professor Saveez Saffarian's lab at the University. We are saddened and completely shocked by her suicide. We strongly question whether Xiaolin had been under unreasonable pressure and was pushed to committed to suicide due to misconduct. The responsible party should be held accountable, and the university needs to have proper policies and procedures to prevent this from happening again. This could severely damage the university's reputation without a thorough investigation and report back to the public. =========嘉嘉拉de的email模板结束=========
=========linjia19111的email模板结束=========
给dean director president 和那些PI 发了 这个是我的版本, 写的很简单。 I am writing to request a thorough investigation about PhD candidate student, Xiaolin Tang's death I heard from news recently. Her case has brought us great attention since she has been in your graduate program for as long as nine years, but still was not able to graduate with several published peer reviewed papers. We are looking forward to hear a confirmation that her death was not caused by any academic bullying or any misconduct happened in the university, department or her previous or current lab. I believe every human being should be treated as a human being. I believe University of Utah will pay attention to Xiaolin Tang's case and have a solid investigation.

=========linjia19111的email模板结束========= =========summerhascome的email模板========= (大家还是用上面几个mm的模板吧,我觉得她们比我写的用词书面很多。) Xiaolin Tang, a Ph.D. candidate in the department of Space Physics at the University of Utah, committed suicide byjumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. She hasn't been heard since Oct 1, 2017.Before she died, she was in her ninth year in Professor Saveez Saffarian's lab at the University of Utah.She has published numerous journal articles. The day after the police confirmed that Tang has passed away, her advisors deleted her name and photo from the lab website. Tang graduated from a top university, Peking University, in2008, earning an undergraduate degree. Staying in the Ph.D. program for many years made her upset and distressed. Being under tremendous pressure, Tang mentioned several times to one of her acquaintances that"she is so tired and would end her life by jumping from the Golden Gate Bridge". We want justice for Tang and her family. More specifically,we would like to know - Why wasn't Tang allow to graduate with a Ph.D. degree? Did she pass her prelim exams/ qualify exams/ first year papers/ second year papers/proposal defense? If she did pass those milestones,what was holding her back from her dissertation defense?
- Did other current and former students in Professor Saffarian's lab encounter the same difficulty in securing a Ph.D. degree? - Who was her former advisor? Why wasn't she allowed to graduate with a Ph.D. degree under the supervision of her former advisor? - What happened to other students in the same department?Does the department offer enough support to Ph.D. students?Does the department chair and other faculty member know about Tang's situation?If they knew, what did they do to support her? Did they engage in conversion with Professor Saffarian?Who were Tang's committee members and what did they do? Could her death be prevented if there were adequate support in the department? Did any faculty members in the department speak up for her? - Are there counseling service and psychiatry service offered at the University of Utah? If yes, was Tang referred to those places since she clearly struggled with depression related issues due to academic frustrations?If she did visit those places, did she receive an accurate diagnosis and proper treatments? - If it is shown that an individual has intentionally kept Tang in his / her lab to help this individual to publish and denied her any chance to defend her dissertation, should this individual beheld accountable for his / her behavior? The Chinese American community is aware of the story of Tang, we want nothing but the facts and we look forward to the investigation results. Sadly, stories like this happens all too often within the graduate student community in the United States, especially among those like Tang, international students came to the U.S. alone at a young age.Academia does not have to be this way. =========summerhascome的email模板结束=========
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xiaowoniu
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顶一下楼主。不过最好能联系到家属,这样可以更加有力的追究导师学校责任。
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顶一下楼主。不过最好能联系到家属,这样可以更加有力的追究导师学校责任。
xiaowoniu 发表于 10/16/2017 11:58:31 PM

谢谢mm。我人不在犹他,也不认识犹他的人,所以也没法联系到家属。我只想帮唐同学追究两任导师的责任。还有系里别的老师的不作为也很令我气愤!
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azumu
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我写,唐mm太可怜了,这个事不应该就这么算了, ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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sadcore
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Ding lz
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summerhascome
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谢谢mm!
3个邮件列表都加上,分别是board,校领导和系里老师的邮件列表。用gmail啥的就行。以气势以邮件数量取胜即可!
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huaxianzi
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顶 楼主
天天减肥
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赞👍MM行动力
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shanoa
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帮lz顶顶
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pcuncle
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支持!


关于犹他大学的唐晓琳,请大家一定帮我顶上去,动用一切信箱发这个email模板给帖子里的email列表关于犹他大学的唐晓琳,请大家一定帮我顶上去,动用一切信箱发这个email模板给帖子里的email列表。
我刚才晚上10点才从公司回来,用了1个小时40分钟写了一下的email模板,并且搜了一下相关人的email地址。大家请送能用到的信箱发这个email模板给列表里的人。你就动动手指,就能帮助一些不认识的人。(email模板里可能有些语法错误,实在抱歉,我在很短的时间内写完的。)
这件事真是气死我了。那个导师居然知道唐晓琳自杀后就把唐晓琳的照片和姓名给删了。这不是此地无银三百两么?正常导师难道不是会写一封信放在lab website里表达自己的sorrow么?!
声明:我本人不认识唐,也不是她那个专业的,更不认识她导师。我也不是犹他大学的。我一辈子去过犹他两次都是因为顺利去黄石玩。我对穆斯林没有偏见,虽然我本身不是穆斯林。我就是十分看不过去一个女生,孤苦伶仃,最后被逼自杀因为博士读不下来。你可以说她脆弱,但是事实已经发生,我们要团结起来,让犹他大学的那个空间物理系,乃至整个犹他大学下次碰到这种情况,系里能有老师站出来speak up帮助学生!!
Xiaolin Tang, a Ph.D. candidate in the department of Space Physics at the University of Utah, committed suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. She hasn't been heard since Oct 1, 2017. Before she died, she was in her ninth year in Professor Saveez Saffarian's lab at the University of Utah.She has published numerous journal articles. The day after the police confirmed that Tang has passed away, her advisors deleted her name and photo from the lab website.
Tang graduated from a top university, Peking University, in2008, earning an undergraduate degree. Staying in the Ph.D. program for many years made her upset and distressed. Being under tremendous pressure, Tang mentioned several times to one of her acquaintances that "she is so tired and would end her life by jumping from the Golden Gate Bridge".
We want justice for Tang and her family. More specifically,we would like to know
- Why wasn't Tang allow to graduate with a Ph.D. degree? Did she pass her prelim exams/ qualify exams/ first year papers/ second year papers/proposal defense? If she did pass those milestones, what was holding her back from her dissertation defense? Given that she continuously published journal articles, was she offered stipend and tuition waivers each year? Was she able to maintain her F1 status?
- Did other current and former students in Professor Saffarian's lab encounter the same difficulty in securing a Ph.D. degree?
- Who was her former advisor? Why wasn't she allowed to graduate with a Ph.D. degree under the supervision of her former advisor?
- What happened to other students in the same department?Does the department offer enough support to Ph.D. students? Does the department chair and other faculty member know about Tang's situation? If they knew, what did they do to support her? Did they engage in conversion with Professor Saffarian?Who were Tang's committee members and what did they do? Could her death be prevented if there were adequate support in the department? Did any faculty members in the department speak up for her?
- Are there counseling service and psychiatry service offered at the University of Utah? If yes, was Tang referred to those places since she clearly struggled with depression related issues due to academic frustrations?If she did visit those places, did she receive an accurate diagnosis and proper treatments?
- If it is shown that Professor Saffarian and / or Tang's former advisor have intentionally keep Tang in their labs to help them publish and denied her any chance to defend her dissertation, should Professor Saffarian and / or Tang's former advisor be penalized for their behavior?
The Chinese American community is aware of the story of Tang, we want nothing but the facts and we look forward to the investigation results. Sadly, stories like this happens all too often within the graduate student community in the United States, especially among those like Tang, international students came to the U.S. alone at a young age. Academia does not have to be this way.
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[email protected],  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]
<-以上是university of utah board of regents / board of trustees部分 directors 的联系方式。这个列表比较 powerful ,因为这些 directors 都是 outsidedirectors ,不用听校长指挥的。但是很多 boardmember 我搜不到他 / 她的 email 地址,这些是能够搜到的。如果大家能够搜到更多,请补充。姓名列表在这里
https://higheredutah.org/boardmembers/
https://admin.utah.edu/board-of-trustees/
[email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]
<-以上是学校领导,分别是dean of graduate school, dean of students, director of international student and scholar, chair of physics and astronomy, president(没有找到他的私人 email 地址 )
[email protected],  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,  [email protected]  ,
<-以上是physics and astronomy系里的 tenured 的 fullprofessor 的列表

summerhascome 发表于 10/16/2017 11:50:00 PM
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回复 11楼pcuncle的帖子

谢谢大家的支持!
一片云彩
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赞楼主!~~ ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
麦穗麦
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一定顶,赞美mm的行为。
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taffycandy
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赞👍🏻!! ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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hushaoshao
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赞楼主!我去发邮件。
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anjeeshine
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唐的家人以及北大的同学都希望唐mm能够安安静静的走,不想曝光在媒体上
不知道楼主这么一个不相关的人在蹦跶什么,太闲?
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gem
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建议把“be penalize(d)” 改成“be held accountable”。
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whohh
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赞楼主!~~ ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
一片云彩 发表于 10/17/2017 12:41:14 AM
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johnhay
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正常大學都有counseling service不會沒有的,唐在學校這麼多年也應該知道,至少我學校的orientation上講的很清楚,這個我覺得以美國人的作風來說一定會盡告知的義務,但唐可能不覺得自己是憂鬱,所以也不需要找counseling service
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Foodstar
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大公司里员工自杀后网上档案一天内就删掉。楼主不要因为这个太激动 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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linjia19111
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与楼主的正义感心有戚戚焉,敬佩楼主的行动力。 只有遇到过人格低贱,不把学生 ,特别是international student 当人看的象牙塔里的畜牲人渣才会明白此中艰辛与磨难。争取傍晚前把邮件发完。还可以不断给他们大学的 human resource department打电话。
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实验室里自己的网站和大公司里的人员系统自动清除是不一样的。前者是老板或者指使手下人自己删除的,后者是迎合系统规章需要。很多人毕业了,老板还设置了alumni这个专栏,来留念过去的人。一个小小的实验室,总共就几个人,长达九年的close working更是屈指可数,知道人这样悲伤地去世,立马删除。不是畜生就是心里有鬼。楼主怎能不激动。
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Foodstar
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回复 21楼Foodstar的帖子

实验室里自己的网站和大公司里的人员系统自动清除是不一样的。前者是老板或者指使手下人自己删除的,后者是迎合系统规章需要。很多人毕业了,老板还设置了alumni这个专栏,来留念过去的人。一个小小的实验室,总共就几个人,长达九年的close working更是屈指可数,知道人这样悲伤地去世,立马删除。不是畜生就是心里有鬼。楼主怎能不激动。
linjia19111 发表于 10/17/2017 8:04:24 AM
后者也需要老板take action, 绝对不会是自动的 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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linjia19111
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回复 4楼summerhascome的帖子

楼主应该去考法学院。天下多一些有正义感的有血有肉的知道怎么用法的人就好了。
孔雀翎
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顶着锅盖发表一下自己的看法,对这么一个风华正茂的女孩子选择结束自己的生命感到非常的惋惜,人生总有各种各样的坎,不放弃总有过去的机会,即使过不去, 换一种方式生活未必不是另外一更好的路。但放弃自己的生命,就永远没有任何机会了。
这姑娘到底是为什么死的,说是导师逼的未免为时过早。不知道她的导师是怎样一个人,我也坚决支持了解真实的情况后,如果这个导师人品恶劣,直接导致了她的轻生, 那就不该光是口伐, 应该是用法律的方式来让他得到应有的惩罚。但是现在并没直接证据吧,据说现在连家属还没联系上, 就武断的下结论是导师逼迫致死, 这样广泛号召根本不清楚情况的网友去向学校施压有点鲁莽。
貌似LZ误会了我的意思, 我并不是说直接写导师的名字不对, 而是认为现阶段向学校发信要求学校调查导师不合适。LZ一再强调不认识唐妹妹, 跟她的工作以及学校,家人朋友都没有任何关系, 也就意味着你根本不知道任何真实的细节,就凭网上的一些议论就义正词严义愤填膺的在网络上把责任按到导师头上, 召集网友向学校发Email, 指名道姓还是要求学校调查导师, 有多大区别?逼迫致死这个罪名很大的, 我并不是说这个导师没有做这样的事情, 但是在没任何证件之前,我不会说这样的话。唐妹妹有家人,有朋友,如果她有冤屈,相信至少家人不会让她沉冤, 还有学校,如果真是跟导师有关, 我相信在她去自杀之前, 不会一次都没有跟自己身边的人抱怨过, 学校的网页上虽然没有她的痕迹,但相信学校IT那里一定有她的工作电脑以及学校工作Email, 一个学生死亡, 学校绝对不可能就这么抹去人名了事, 至少Email和工作环境中的领导同事是要调查的。
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summerhascome
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Master回复 4楼summerhascome的帖子

楼主应该去考法学院。天下多一些有正义感的有血有肉的知道怎么用法的人就好了。
linjia19111 发表于 10/17/2017 8:06:31 AM

谢谢mm!我很感动。lz文字方面不行,高考和唐mm一年考的(因为和她同一年高考,所以我觉得我和她有共同点,我应该站出来),语文150满分我才102。我觉得email字面不那么重要,我努力表达出自己的意思就行了。
我就是想,如果唐mm能拿到phd,或者哪怕是master但有份工作,她不会这样。你想那么高的桥,拍下去多疼多冷。
而系里那对她漠不关心的老师,现在却可以在家里暖暖和和坐着喝咖啡。
两点一线
28 楼
赞楼主!
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frankiefrank1
29 楼
顶上去
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summerhascome
30 楼
建议把“be penalize(d)” 改成“be held accountable”。

gem 发表于 10/17/2017 3:13:18 AM
我刚才在办公室用手机折腾了半天,还是edit不了帖子。我一点编辑,然后鼠标指针就不知道跑哪里去了。可能是我帖子太长了。然后我清空了safari的history啥的,又把safari给关了,还不行。
我也觉得应该是held accountable,更书面。我晚上回家改
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summerhascome
31 楼
唐的家人以及北大的同学都希望唐mm能够安安静静的走,不想曝光在媒体上
不知道楼主这么一个不相关的人在蹦跶什么,太闲?
anjeeshine 发表于 10/17/2017 1:38:41 AM
如果唐的家人希望我删帖,我就删。
另外,北大同学能代表唐?
你说得对,本人就是热心朝阳大妈,我不认识唐、她的家人、她的同学、她的导师,我跟她专业差十万八千里,并且我已经博士毕业开始工作。我发帖不为自己的利益。我就是实在看不惯那个系的做法。两个导师都8-9年了还不让人毕业,别的老师的冷漠和不作为把学生逼死。
现在犹他终于说要investigation,我怕是走过场,现在不发声什么时候发声?等investigation一完,再发声人家学校就该说你自己去看investigation结果吧。
润儿妈
32 楼
赞热心MM!
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Olympian
33 楼
顶着锅盖发表一下自己的看法,对这么一个风华正茂的女孩子选择结束自己的生命感到非常的惋惜,人生总有各种各样的坎,不放弃总有过去的机会,即使过不去, 换一种方式生活未必不是另外一更好的路。但放弃自己的生命,就永远没有任何机会了。
这姑娘到底是为什么死的,说是导师逼的未免为时过早。不知道她的导师是怎样一个人,我也坚决支持了解真实的情况后,如果这个导师人品恶劣,直接导致了她的轻生, 那就不该光是口伐, 应该是用法律的方式来让他得到应有的惩罚。但是现在并没直接证据吧,据说现在连家属还没联系上, 就武断的下结论是导师逼迫致死, 这样广泛号召根本不清楚情况的网友去向学校施压有点鲁莽。
孔雀翎 发表于 10/17/2017 8:16:09 AM


虽然可能性是很大,但是觉得这样武断地指向她的导师,有些太冲动。尤其是家属没有出来表态的情况下,不知道内情的外人,觉得最好还是看他们的意愿吧。
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htscorpio
34 楼
支持. 大家都给学校发信吧.  同时给她的印度老板发信谴责.
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Confuse
35 楼
感激楼主的用心,但这封信我觉得写的不太好。很混乱。逻辑不清,语气也不逊。象医闹的架势。

我觉得先是对她的信息迅速被删除表示惊詫,然后抓住whether their stress and frustration was caused by regular acedmic work or irreasonalbe pressure 来问责。每个读博士的都有压力,每个人不能拿到学位的也有原因,问题是她受到的压力是否不正常。里面很多的排比句连她保留F-1身份都提了,但是这只是混淆视听,模糊重点。

对不起楼主美眉,我了解你的热血热心。只是就这封信我觉得写的不妥。作为模版就不好了。希望有更好的文章出现。不然就是提一下 we are saddened by her sicide, but totally shocked when her information was deleted from her lab's website Very soon without any mourning.  While we understand every PHD student has to go through struggle and frustration in his or her academic pursuit, we have to question whether the pressure Ms Tang had been under was reasonable or not.  If she was pushed to committed to suicide due to irreasonalbe pressure or misconduct, then not only the responsible party should be identified and punitive damage be paid, but the school needs to make rules to Ensure This does not happen again.  For the school's reputation, we sincerely request a thorough investigation and report back to the public.
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summerhascome
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虽然可能性是很大,但是觉得这样武断地指向她的导师,有些太冲动。尤其是家属没有出来表态的情况下,不知道内情的外人,觉得最好还是看他们的意愿吧。

Olympian 发表于 10/17/2017 10:23:01 AM
的确的确,我现在去二楼edit一下原帖。
我也读过新闻说唐mm换过导师,那前任导师也可能有责任
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wuhong1226
37 楼
谢谢楼主,我会发邮件的,今天之内!
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taffycandy
38 楼
回复 21楼Foodstar的帖子

实验室里自己的网站和大公司里的人员系统自动清除是不一样的。前者是老板或者指使手下人自己删除的,后者是迎合系统规章需要。很多人毕业了,老板还设置了alumni这个专栏,来留念过去的人。一个小小的实验室,总共就几个人,长达九年的close working更是屈指可数,知道人这样悲伤地去世,立马删除。不是畜生就是心里有鬼。楼主怎能不激动。
linjia19111 发表于 10/17/2017 8:04:24 AM
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taffycandy
39 楼
唐的家人以及北大的同学都希望唐mm能够安安静静的走,不想曝光在媒体上
不知道楼主这么一个不相关的人在蹦跶什么,太闲?
anjeeshine 发表于 10/17/2017 1:38:41 AM
如果唐的家人希望我删帖,我就删。
另外,北大同学能代表唐?
你说得对,本人就是热心朝阳大妈,我不认识唐、她的家人、她的同学、她的导师,我跟她专业差十万八千里,并且我已经博士毕业开始工作。我发帖不为自己的利益。我就是实在看不惯那个系的做法。两个导师都8-9年了还不让人毕业,别的老师的冷漠和不作为把学生逼死。
现在犹他终于说要investigation,我怕是走过场,现在不发声什么时候发声?等investigation一完,再发声人家学校就该说你自己去看investigation结果吧。

summerhascome 发表于 10/17/2017 10:15:46 AM
Re , 担心学校调查只是走过场 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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mallow111
40 楼
顶楼主mm,不能因为怕学校走过场就什么都不做,我们需要一个真相
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anjeeshine
41 楼
如果唐的家人希望我删帖,我就删。
另外,北大同学能代表唐?
你说得对,本人就是热心朝阳大妈,我不认识唐、她的家人、她的同学、她的导师,我跟她专业差十万八千里,并且我已经博士毕业开始工作。我发帖不为自己的利益。我就是实在看不惯那个系的做法。两个导师都8-9年了还不让人毕业,别的老师的冷漠和不作为把学生逼死。
现在犹他终于说要investigation,我怕是走过场,现在不发声什么时候发声?等investigation一完,再发声人家学校就该说你自己去看investigation结果吧。

summerhascome 发表于 10/17/2017 10:15:46 AM
那你以为为什么知乎有关内容删帖了,还不就是人家家人要保留隐私
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BZH
42 楼
回复 19楼whohh的帖子

赞。唐MM知道这么多好心人支持,应该觉得很慰藉了。
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superaloha
43 楼
那个被顶上去的热门回复,是老公当教授的吗。

先说是不是导师逼死的,哪有学生发了六篇文章还不让毕业的,九年啊,不信唐没有动过毕业的念头。这个导师肯定是元凶之一。

另外,说说中东人,这就不是一个能当中国人导师的人种,我身边的人,没有一个不从中东导师转到其他导师名下的,碰上他们就是死路一条,跪舔白人,只踩中国人就是说的他们
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creme_brulee
44 楼
我也帮写,赞楼主,中国人就是要互相撑才不会被欺负
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summerhascome
45 楼
那个被顶上去的热门回复,是老公当教授的吗。

先说是不是导师逼死的,哪有学生发了六篇文章还不让毕业的,九年啊,不信唐没有动过毕业的念头。这个导师肯定是元凶之一。

另外,说说中东人,这就不是一个能当中国人导师的人种,我身边的人,没有一个不从中东导师转到其他导师名下的,碰上他们就是死路一条,跪舔白人,只踩中国人就是说的他们
superaloha 发表于 10/17/2017 11:05:53 AM
Lz老公碰巧也是faculty,而且已经工作很长时间。但是lz仍然觉得我们要督促犹他给出真相。
不能因为说唐脆弱所以老师没有责任。如果全世界都是希拉里那样的人,我相信没人会自杀(我没有政治倾向,本人非公民,也没有投票权。我只是佩服希拉里很strong ,老公出轨-没事,第一次竞选失败-没事,等了8年都70多岁了在次竞选失败-没事,并且现在还时不时出来点评trump)。但是我相信导师和系里别的老师是有一定责任的。
嘉嘉拉de
46 楼
支持mm! 欣赏你的行动力!我会再稍微改改 今晚回家就发。我们不需要完美的email,需要的是扩大影响力和引起相关部门的关注
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janesb
47 楼
顶。不为唐一个人。为了所有在外留学被压迫的!
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dandan2012
48 楼
赞lz行动力,是不是跟唐mm家人联系一下比较好
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shangxue
49 楼
顶 楼主
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summerhascome
50 楼
支持mm! 欣赏你的行动力!我会再稍微改改 今晚回家就发。我们不需要完美的email,需要的是扩大影响力和引起相关部门的关注
嘉嘉拉de 发表于 10/17/2017 11:17:25 AM
谢谢mm,我今晚回家后,能用电脑后,也把大家让我改的和我原文结合一下。就是我大概东部10pm才到家。
嘉嘉拉de
51 楼
呼唤楼主,结合楼主和另外一个mm改的,我改成了下面这样,希望更加简单直接,收信人可以快速了解发生了什么和我们的诉求。然后把楼主开始的问题附在后面。我觉得我们的语气应该更强硬一些,不知该怎么改,请大家建议

I'm writing to request a thorough investigation on Xiaolin Tang's suicide. Xiaolin Tang, a Ph.D. candidate in the department of Space Physics at the University of Utah, committed suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge on Oct 1, 2017. Before she died, she was in her ninth year in Professor Saveez Saffarian's lab at the University.

We are saddened and completely shocked by her suicide. We strongly question whether Xiaolin had been under unreasonable pressure and was pushed to committed to suicide due to misconduct. The responsible party should be held accountable, and the university needs to have proper policies and procedures to prevent this from happening again.  This could severely damage the university's reputation without a thorough investigation and report back to the public.
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summerhascome
52 楼
赞lz行动力,是不是跟唐mm家人联系一下比较好
dandan2012 发表于 10/17/2017 11:30:40 AM
其实我有点害怕联系唐mm的家人,大家会说我是拉捐款的。论坛里有几次这种事情了。
与其那样,也许我保持中立比较好。但是如果唐mm家人不喜欢我的帖子,我就删。
梅花山
53 楼
Email sent out.
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summerhascome
54 楼
呼唤楼主,结合楼主和另外一个mm改的,我改成了下面这样,希望更加简单直接,收信人可以快速了解发生了什么和我们的诉求。然后把楼主开始的问题附在后面。我觉得我们的语气应该更强硬一些,不知该怎么改,请大家建议

I'm writing to request a thorough investigation on Xiaolin Tang's suicide. Xiaolin Tang, a Ph.D. candidate in the department of Space Physics at the University of Utah, committed suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge on Oct 1, 2017. Before she died, she was in her ninth year in Professor Saveez Saffarian's lab at the University.

We are saddened and completely shocked by her suicide. We strongly question whether Xiaolin had been under unreasonable pressure and was pushed to committed to suicide due to misconduct. The responsible party should be held accountable, and the university needs to have proper policies and procedures to prevent this from happening again.  This could severely damage the university's reputation without a thorough investigation and report back to the public.
嘉嘉拉de 发表于 10/17/2017 11:45:35 AM
谢谢mm!我把你改的放到二楼了。主贴我用safari一点编辑鼠标指针就没了,所以没法编辑。我晚上回家再把大家的建议挪到主贴。
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lily25103
55 楼
顶楼主!
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anjeeshine
56 楼
可以确定唐的家人是反对楼主这种行为的
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muzzyhy
57 楼
顶楼主
凉心
58 楼
今天城头新闻说旧金山警局否认发布过唐mm已死的报道,警局没说那是哪里来的死讯,唐爸还在中国没过来,希望只是失踪了
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summerhascome
59 楼
今天城头新闻说旧金山警局否认发布过唐mm已死的报道,警局没说那是哪里来的死讯,唐爸还在中国没过来,希望只是失踪了
凉心 发表于 10/17/2017 12:10:16 PM

我不敢相信。因为我写那个email模版之前我看过新闻,说系里已经通知学生关于唐mm的死讯。我觉得系里肯定和警方确认过了。
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summerhascome
60 楼
可以确定唐的家人是反对楼主这种行为的
anjeeshine 发表于 10/17/2017 12:01:57 PM

请给出链接。
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anjeeshine
61 楼
请给出链接。
summerhascome 发表于 10/17/2017 12:30:19 PM

还给出链接?人家家人从头至尾没有接受过采访,都是通过同学在微信里呼吁不要接受任何采访,发表任何帖子
难道还要贴微信?
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creme_brulee
62 楼
不如贴一下微信。不太明白你使劲跟楼主唱反调的动机


还给出链接?人家家人从头至尾没有接受过采访,都是通过同学在微信里呼吁不要接受任何采访,发表任何帖子
难道还要贴微信?

anjeeshine 发表于 10/17/2017 12:33:00
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pp.piggy
63 楼
我觉得发信的时候可以直接cc给那个变态导师,这样给他的压力更大!
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Ruth
64 楼
今天城头新闻说旧金山警局否认发布过唐mm已死的报道,警局没说那是哪里来的死讯,唐爸还在中国没过来,希望只是失踪了
凉心 发表于 10/17/2017 12:10:16 PM

我也听到新闻说,学校说旧金山某区警察通知他们死讯,警局否认发布过死讯。
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Ruth
65 楼
不过我最困惑的是很多人针对导师,是有什么他们知道但是不能公开的证据吗?
借他人酒杯,浇心中块垒,可以理解,或者单纯因为别人的不幸,而发声,有同理心,那更是人性中美好的一面。
只是,别借错了。
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coolcream
66 楼
楼主你这么做得到唐家人的同意了吗?不分青红皂白把死者推到风口浪尖上,这合适吗?是不是家人现在没空理你,就可以先把人豁出去再说,反正最后搞成啥样,死者被扒成啥样,也损失不到你?
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anjeeshine
67 楼
不如贴一下微信。不太明白你使劲跟楼主唱反调的动机

creme_brulee 发表于 10/17/2017 1:20:41 PM

因为唐是高我一级的师姐,我所了解的就是她的家人不希望自己女儿的事被公开讨论
嘉嘉拉de
68 楼
理解楼里有些反对的声音是想保护唐mm及家人的隐私,但相信楼主mm也是出于保护唐mm权益的角度,只是敦促校方尽职调查,这并没有什么不妥啊。各位mm都冷静一点讨论,我们自己在这边吵起来对任何事情都没有任何帮助
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anjeeshine
69 楼
楼主你这么做得到唐家人的同意了吗?不分青红皂白把死者推到风口浪尖上,这合适吗?是不是家人现在没空理你,就可以先把人豁出去再说,反正最后搞成啥样,死者被扒成啥样,也损失不到你?
coolcream 发表于 10/17/2017 1:50:47 PM

赞,楼主简直是闲的。那么多认识唐mm的人哪个跳出来说这事了?保护好别人的隐私好不好
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cxvv
70 楼
别的不说,模板样子的EMAIL不要发了。适得其反。当作SPAM 扔掉还好,如果被认作对导师的Cyberbullying,反而帮了倒忙。
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anjeeshine
71 楼
别的不说,模板样子的EMAIL不要发了。适得其反。当作SPAM 扔掉还好,如果被认作对导师的Cyberbullying,反而帮了倒忙。
cxvv 发表于 10/17/2017 2:29:21 PM

真正有心的还需要用个email模板吗?大多数人就是跟着凑热闹罢了
嘉嘉拉de
72 楼
把别人的一片好意当作是凑热闹,这样的论调真是让人寒心。有个大致的模版,可以帮大家可以更快更有效的发信,不是每个人都有时间坐在那花几个小时字斟句酌的写一封email,难道这样就连关心和问询的权利都没有了吗
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e4xion
73 楼
赞mm热心肠!顶起!
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PurpleOcean
74 楼
Update下:我发了,email list之中的那个 [email protected] 发不过去delivery failed,其它目前还没有什么~
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嗯嗯我打算去发了,把2楼和35楼mm的运用了下,然后稍微修改了一点点:

Xiaolin Tang's case is getting increasing public attention. I am one of the people among all hereby writing to request a thorough investigation on Xiaolin Tang's suicide. Xiaolin Tang, a Ph.D. candidate in the department of Space Physics at the University of Utah, committed suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge on Oct 1, 2017. Before she died, she was in her ninth year in Professor Saveez Saffarian's lab at the University.

We are saddened and completely shocked by her suicide, but totally shocked when her information was deleted from her lab's website very soon without any mourning. We strongly question whether Xiaolin had been under unreasonable pressure and was pushed to commit suicide due to misconduct. The responsible party should be held accountable, and the university needs to have proper policies and procedures to prevent this from happening again. This could severely damage the university's reputation without a thorough investigation and report back to the public. For the school's reputation, we sincerely request a thorough investigation and report back to the public.

这个样子怎么样?加了一个我觉得比较catching的开头, 然后第二段排列组合了下,我觉得还是要把我们对学校突然把xiaolin信息删掉的这点concern要点名出来~ 嗯那我发喽?!~~~
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cethy
75 楼
支持,帮顶!
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linjia19111
76 楼
我们用文明的方式写信去申请thorough investigation,也是为了校方不要马虎过场,能够真正落实调查。就算有一丁点的希望,也希望那些做了对不起正义良知的,玷污了象牙塔的名义,视学生生命为草芥的畜生受到它们应有的惩罚,而不是害了人,在这个导师翻手为云覆手为雨的学术体制下扔可以自在逍遥。当然,也有可能最后查出,导师可能只是唐同学轻生的一部分原因而已。要真是这样的话,做调查的事情也是有意义。至少排除了被害的可能。就算就算真的查出相关细节,你们真的以为校方会把细节公之于众,侵犯唐同学的隐私权? 活的时候,受尽委屈;死了也要死撑着,图个息事宁人。这种巨无霸的包子行为,是可忍孰不可忍? 私以为,真的和那些反对尸体解剖的人的想法如出一辙。
或许真正要改变的是学术界这个像师傅徒弟一般的师门制度。可恨现在这个悲催的法治社会,法律条规又保护不了所有受了冤的人。 退一步,海不一定阔,天也不一定空。忍辱负重可能搭上小命。
最后,如此单纯的同理心也能联想到私人己欲,佛印的话果真千古定律,屎的外在世界都是屎。
嘉嘉拉de
77 楼
又想了一下 这个是很suspicious 确实应该加上
嘉嘉拉de
78 楼
说的真好 mm真性情
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hushuobadao
79 楼
LZ真实闲得蛋疼。学校已经开启调查,一群疯婆子给学校人写信有什么用?你写了人家就会告诉你真相了?幼稚。
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linjia19111
80 楼
回复 1楼summerhascome的帖子

给dean director president 和那些PI 发了 这个是我的版本, 写的很简单。 I am writing to request a thorough investigation about PhD candidate student, Xiaolin Tang's death I heard from news recently. Her case has brought us great attention since she has been in your graduate program for as long as nine years, but still was not able to graduate with several published peer reviewed papers. We are looking forward to hear a confirmation that her death was not caused by any academic bullying or any misconduct happened in the university, department or her previous or current lab. I believe every human being should be treated as a human being. I believe University of Utah will pay attention to Xiaolin Tang's case and have a solid investigation.
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linjia19111
81 楼
回复 79楼hushuobadao的帖子

网上评论 现讲脏话骂人的就输了
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ookk
82 楼
华人怎么这么喜欢模板呢,如果你真想引起重视,每个人都认认真真写一封信,对方还有可能读一下。模板轰炸的结果就是别人根本不会在乎,直接delete
暖气片
83 楼
支持楼主!团结一切力量
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anjeeshine
84 楼
华人怎么这么喜欢模板呢,如果你真想引起重视,每个人都认认真真写一封信,对方还有可能读一下。模板轰炸的结果就是别人根本不会在乎,直接delete
ookk 发表于 10/17/2017 4:13:53 PM

用模板的结果就是都成spam
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sijiziwayiz66
85 楼
顶!顶!晚上回去就发
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sunny988
86 楼
用模板的结果就是都成spam

anjeeshine 发表于 10/17/2017 4:33:20 PM

Re.千别用模版,美国人最反感的就是抄袭,要发就自己动手写
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taffycandy
87 楼
我觉得发信的时候可以直接cc给那个变态导师,这样给他的压力更大!
pp.piggy 发表于 10/17/2017 1:42:07 PM

还可以cc给这个变态导师的collaborator和他组里的学生。让他的同僚都了解这个事件!!!! ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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taffycandy
88 楼
把别人的一片好意当作是凑热闹,这样的论调真是让人寒心。有个大致的模版,可以帮大家可以更快更有效的发信,不是每个人都有时间坐在那花几个小时字斟句酌的写一封email,难道这样就连关心和问询的权利都没有了吗
嘉嘉拉de 发表于 10/17/2017 2:44:23 PM

支持. 应该发声 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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summerhascome
89 楼
顶着锅盖发表一下自己的看法,对这么一个风华正茂的女孩子选择结束自己的生命感到非常的惋惜,人生总有各种各样的坎,不放弃总有过去的机会,即使过不去, 换一种方式生活未必不是另外一更好的路。但放弃自己的生命,就永远没有任何机会了。
这姑娘到底是为什么死的,说是导师逼的未免为时过早。不知道她的导师是怎样一个人,我也坚决支持了解真实的情况后,如果这个导师人品恶劣,直接导致了她的轻生, 那就不该光是口伐, 应该是用法律的方式来让他得到应有的惩罚。但是现在并没直接证据吧,据说现在连家属还没联系上, 就武断的下结论是导师逼迫致死, 这样广泛号召根本不清楚情况的网友去向学校施压有点鲁莽。
孔雀翎 发表于 10/17/2017 8:16:09 AM


mm好,我在一楼也更新了。我同意你说的现阶段不能进行有罪推定。我于是在模板前面建议mm们也许去掉导师的名字比较好。
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summerhascome
90 楼
感激楼主的用心,但这封信我觉得写的不太好。很混乱。逻辑不清,语气也不逊。象医闹的架势。

我觉得先是对她的信息迅速被删除表示惊詫,然后抓住whether their stress and frustration was caused by regular acedmic work or irreasonalbe pressure 来问责。每个读博士的都有压力,每个人不能拿到学位的也有原因,问题是她受到的压力是否不正常。里面很多的排比句连她保留F-1身份都提了,但是这只是混淆视听,模糊重点。

对不起楼主美眉,我了解你的热血热心。只是就这封信我觉得写的不妥。作为模版就不好了。希望有更好的文章出现。不然就是提一下 we are saddened by her sicide, but totally shocked when her information was deleted from her lab's website Very soon without any mourning. While we understand every PHD student has to go through struggle and frustration in his or her academic pursuit, we have to question whether the pressure Ms Tang had been under was reasonable or not. If she was pushed to committed to suicide due to irreasonalbe pressure or misconduct, then not only the responsible party should be identified and punitive damage be paid, but the school needs to make rules to Ensure This does not happen again. For the school's reputation, we sincerely request a thorough investigation and report back to the public.
Confuse 发表于 10/17/2017 10:31:18 AM

谢谢mm改的模板!我刚回家,所以才能用电脑编辑一楼。我把你写的放在一楼了。
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summerhascome
91 楼
楼主你这么做得到唐家人的同意了吗?不分青红皂白把死者推到风口浪尖上,这合适吗?是不是家人现在没空理你,就可以先把人豁出去再说,反正最后搞成啥样,死者被扒成啥样,也损失不到你?
coolcream 发表于 10/17/2017 1:50:47 PM


我认为唐生前一定希望能够有人帮她speak up,生前既然没有这样的人,为什么我们在她去世后不能够做些什么来避免唐的悲剧再次发生?
但是如果唐的家人希望我删贴,请联系我,我一定删。如果没法上华人,请转发截图,我也会删贴的。
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Seeking668
92 楼
支持lz的effort
不过大家也可以自己写,哪怕就写一句话,不需要复杂
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summerhascome
93 楼
不过我最困惑的是很多人针对导师,是有什么他们知道但是不能公开的证据吗?
借他人酒杯,浇心中块垒,可以理解,或者单纯因为别人的不幸,而发声,有同理心,那更是人性中美好的一面。
只是,别借错了。
Ruth 发表于 10/17/2017 1:48:09 PM


我是看了这个搜狐的报道:http://www.sohu.com/a/198331652_380470
虽然我不能完全肯定里面内容的真实性,但是里面提到:
“有犹他大学的中国留学生近日来在网上留言,指责唐晓琳的导师Saffarian给她压力太大。”

“另外一位犹他大学的中国留学生爆料说:唐晓林的导师Saffarian和他老婆在犹他物理系‘开夫妻店’。他的老婆就有过不让美国博士生毕业的经历。这个美国女生在很多影响因子高的期刊发表了一作文章,还是被他老婆卡着不让毕业。最后请了律师闹了一通挂在别的导师名下毕了业。”
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summerhascome
94 楼
赞,楼主简直是闲的。那么多认识唐mm的人哪个跳出来说这事了?保护好别人的隐私好不好

anjeeshine 发表于 10/17/2017 2:27:15 PM


我就是觉得为什么有那么多认识她的人没有人出来要求through investigation。
我不知道你是不是犹他在校生。是不是怕被校方牵连。
我和犹他那个学校,和那个专业没有丝毫的关系,我不怕站出来。
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summerhascome
95 楼
别的不说,模板样子的EMAIL不要发了。适得其反。当作SPAM 扔掉还好,如果被认作对导师的Cyberbullying,反而帮了倒忙。
cxvv 发表于 10/17/2017 2:29:21 PM


我觉得mm的建议很好。于是放了多个模板在一楼。方便大家挑选。
另外一个mm也说了,其实如果愿意自己写一两句更好。我是怕大家没有时间看新闻,所以替大家写了模板。
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summerhascome
96 楼
我们用文明的方式写信去申请thorough investigation,也是为了校方不要马虎过场,能够真正落实调查。就算有一丁点的希望,也希望那些做了对不起正义良知的,玷污了象牙塔的名义,视学生生命为草芥的畜生受到它们应有的惩罚,而不是害了人,在这个导师翻手为云覆手为雨的学术体制下扔可以自在逍遥。当然,也有可能最后查出,导师可能只是唐同学轻生的一部分原因而已。要真是这样的话,做调查的事情也是有意义。至少排除了被害的可能。就算就算真的查出相关细节,你们真的以为校方会把细节公之于众,侵犯唐同学的隐私权? 活的时候,受尽委屈;死了也要死撑着,图个息事宁人。这种巨无霸的包子行为,是可忍孰不可忍? 私以为,真的和那些反对尸体解剖的人的想法如出一辙。
或许真正要改变的是学术界这个像师傅徒弟一般的师门制度。可恨现在这个悲催的法治社会,法律条规又保护不了所有受了冤的人。 退一步,海不一定阔,天也不一定空。忍辱负重可能搭上小命。
最后,如此单纯的同理心也能联想到私人己欲,佛印的话果真千古定律,屎的外在世界都是屎。
linjia19111 发表于 10/17/2017 3:35:03 PM


rere。谢谢mm的支持。我是纯粹的出于同理心。我没有丝毫未自己的利益着想。
1,我没有给出自己的真名,那就不是牟名牟利。
2,我不认识唐的家人,所以不可能帮他们拉捐款等。(我知道之前论坛那几轮捐款,大家都怕了)
3,我已经毕业,在学校的时候我和唐的专业差十万八千里,我学的专业连工科都不是。我没有motivation要去诋毁那个老师,也没有motivation去敦促犹他对未来高年级phd学生网开一面。
我只不过很生气,你的一个博士生死了,你第二天就删网页,是什么意思?是为了撇清关系么?!
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summerhascome
97 楼
LZ真实闲得蛋疼。学校已经开启调查,一群疯婆子给学校人写信有什么用?你写了人家就会告诉你真相了?幼稚。
hushuobadao 发表于 10/17/2017 4:10:29 PM


对。我就是热心的朝阳区群众(literally,我在朝阳区出生长大的)。世界离不开我们热心的朝阳区群众。我们就是热心的管和我们不相关的事情。

不理解朝阳区群众的请看wikipedia:
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9C%9D%E9%98%B3%E7%BE%A4%E4%BC%97
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summerhascome
98 楼
回复 1楼summerhascome的帖子

给dean director president 和那些PI 发了 这个是我的版本, 写的很简单。 I am writing to request a thorough investigation about PhD candidate student, Xiaolin Tang's death I heard from news recently. Her case has brought us great attention since she has been in your graduate program for as long as nine years, but still was not able to graduate with several published peer reviewed papers. We are looking forward to hear a confirmation that her death was not caused by any academic bullying or any misconduct happened in the university, department or her previous or current lab. I believe every human being should be treated as a human being. I believe University of Utah will pay attention to Xiaolin Tang's case and have a solid investigation.
linjia19111 发表于 10/17/2017 4:10:45 PM


刚刚看到mm的模板,我把你的模板放在一楼了。谢谢 mm!!
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summerhascome
99 楼
华人怎么这么喜欢模板呢,如果你真想引起重视,每个人都认认真真写一封信,对方还有可能读一下。模板轰炸的结果就是别人根本不会在乎,直接delete
ookk 发表于 10/17/2017 4:13:53 PM


如果mm们能够每个人“认认真真写一封信”,那当然好。但是几个人有那个时间?比如我,家里有个上daycare的娃,我这两天都是等她睡了才有时间编辑帖子。
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SBGCD
100 楼
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