至于吗？！ ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP Ting_Ting_Ting 发表于 9/21/2017 5:03:17 AM
Many Americans are not aware of the fundraising concerns. This petition is more to raise awareness than to get the requisite 100,000 signatures in 30 days
Get a life! 捐款都是让自己满足帮助人的channel. 捐了就捐了。人家女儿死于非命，不管钱怎么用，只要开心就好。本来卷的时候就知道钱不可能把死人救活。只是让活着的家人生活稍微改善一下。料理后事啥的没有经济负担。你管人家怎么用干嘛？！人移民关你啥事？那么多非法移民也没见你们这些人蹦来跳去的。
Get a life! 捐款都是让自己满足帮助人的channel. 捐了就捐了。人家女儿死于非命，不管钱怎么用，只要开心就好。本来卷的时候就知道钱不可能把死人救活。只是让活着的家人生活稍微改善一下。料理后事啥的没有经济负担。你管人家怎么用干嘛？！人移民关你啥事？那么多非法移民也没见你们这些人蹦来跳去的。 danasun2001 发表于 9/21/2017 1:13:42 PM
Please revise the hyperlink in your main post to point to the White House petition web page, instead of a facebook page. I kind of understand your purpose of doing that, but still feel it is not polite to reader. 金银岛 发表于 9/21/2017 1:10:13 PM
It was not intentional to redirect to FB ... I happened to have copied and pasted everything from a group post in FB. I don't know how the link got converted but I'll change it now. Thanks for letting me know.
UPDATE: I changed it - the link looks the same to me now as when I first posted it and you said it redirected to FB. I don't know what I'm doing wrong but again, it's not intentional (not sure why you would think it was...?)
It was not intentional to redirect to FB ... I happened to have copied and pasted everything from a group post in FB. I don't know how the link got converted but I'll change it now. Thanks for letting me know.
Get a life! 捐款都是让自己满足帮助人的channel. 捐了就捐了。人家女儿死于非命，不管钱怎么用，只要开心就好。本来卷的时候就知道钱不可能把死人救活。只是让活着的家人生活稍微改善一下。料理后事啥的没有经济负担。你管人家怎么用干嘛？！人移民关你啥事？那么多非法移民也没见你们这些人蹦来跳去的。
Compare the Graham's response to what you have seen of the Zhang's and how they comfort one another. There doesn't seem to be much affection or support between ZYY's parents. ZYY's father does not hold his wife or offer warmth as she cries on media interview after interview and appearance after appearance. He just stands there numb and blind with stoicism. 🐒(and to a lesser extent ZYY's brother) is the one who seems to offer the most warmth, pat on the back comfort to ZYY's mom.
Since I mentioned Hannah Graham ... Morgan Harrington was raped and murdered a few years earlier by the same man who raped and murdered Graham. It was DNA found on Graham's clothing that helped link the Harrington and Graham murders.
LE told the Harrington's that their daughter's killer would probably not be found until he committed a second murder. Concerned for young girls in the community and nationwide, Harrington's mom started a non-profit to raise awareness and "help save the next girl"
The Harrington's did not open a GFM campaign to raise $1,000,000 to search for their daughter (even though she was missing for many months), obtain financial support due to loss of Morgan's projected income, or ask the community to contribute to a "foundation" in Morgan's name. Instead, Morgan's mom started an organization to prevent future crime and help other grieving parents.
The focus on acquiring money RIGHT NOW is puzzling when ZYY was taken off the FBI's missing persons list in mid-July. The family must know that the FBI have found ZYY and are working on building a case to link BC to the remains. This has become even more painfully obvious since LE announced that superseding indictments, likely involving the death penalty, are pending. Instead of grieving, the Zhang's are frantically looking for donations to conduct a (unnecessary) search and compensation for loss of ZYY's projected income.
Compare the Harrington and Graham families with the Zhang's - all lost daughters the same way. Who is "mean"?
I happen to engage in both - the "jokes" are in response to comments where the person did not read the original post or for some reason think dichotomously as if people are one dimensional and can only think / act in one way.
This week in Flushing Queens (known as a second Chinatown) a NYC bus collided with a charter bus resulting in 3 fatalities, including the driver of the charter bus, one pedestrian who got caught under one of the buses, and one passenger on the NYC bus.
A Caucasian man in a crowd of onlookers started making comments about how Asian people can''t drive. Two friends stood up for the community and spoke out against the racist stereotype. The Caucasian man backed down immediately when the taller, better built Asian guy challenged him. Solidarity. 🙋♀️🙋♂️✊
I accept your opinion. I do not know you, I have no characterizations to share. If you allow me, I would like to point out that you accused me of standing on moral high ground in the same sentence that you referred to me as a "jumping clown".
It was not intentional to redirect to FB ... I happened to have copied and pasted everything from a group post in FB. I don't know how the link got converted but I'll change it now. Thanks for letting me know.
UPDATE: I changed it - the link looks the same to me now as when I first posted it and you said it redirected to FB. I don't know what I'm doing wrong but again, it's not intentional (not sure why you would think it was...?)
Get a life! 捐款都是让自己满足帮助人的channel. 捐了就捐了。人家女儿死于非命，不管钱怎么用，只要开心就好。本来卷的时候就知道钱不可能把死人救活。只是让活着的家人生活稍微改善一下。料理后事啥的没有经济负担。你管人家怎么用干嘛？！人移民关你啥事？那么多非法移民也没见你们这些人蹦来跳去的。 danasun2001 发表于 9/21/2017 1:13:42 PM
re, 反对或者看不惯，不支持不提倡适当质疑就好了，整天惦记着通过各种渠道告洋状，联系各种外媒什么的把这件事儿“发扬光大”，lz你以为你们这群人比章家人能好到哪儿去？对比一下其他族群对自己族裔的袒护，lz你们真的是大义凌然眼里揉不得半点儿沙子！！！一群人等不及的天天各种呐喊，快来看啊，快来看啊，看看我们中国人里有如此“道德败坏骗捐的人”，看看我们是如何是非分明帮你们把他们揭发出来踢出美国去的！ 等哪一天这件事被各大媒体都报道了，你们是不是就happy了满足了？ 反正那些个老美也根本不知道谁是谁，只知道都是中国人还不是啥好事儿，中国人斗中国人，指望老美给你竖大拇指，夸你们道德高尚干的好？真是可笑可悲！ BTW，这个案子还没审呢，章家就算是各种造势 我觉得也是可以理解的，至少还能保持点儿事件热度，等明年开审的时候还有人关注。你们现在把他们都斗倒踢出美帝，等明年开审的时候，原告席连几个亲属和支持者都没有，难道是你们想看到的局面？若嫌疑犯的律师跟你们一样抓住捐款和各种其他对章家人的臆测说事儿 而让疑犯轻易脱罪，这是你们想看到的结果？？？孰轻孰重，那个对华人的危害更大，能不能好好掂量掂量？？？
You are correct - racism is rampant in the U.S. Still, what does the family's exploitation of their daughter's tragic death for monetary gain have to do with whether or not BC is guilty of kidnapping, rape, and murder? Furthermore, why would you suggest that the family's current fundraising would lead to deportation? Are you saying that you also believe it is unusual?
The FBI seem to have a solid case against the defendant. They took ZYY off their list of kidnapped/missing persons list in mid-July and it seems are ready to proceed with a superseding indictment of capital murder, next month.
The family's fundraising exploits, if anything, encourage greater sympathy for ZYY.
I'm befuddled as to how you speak of unity and accuse others of self-righteousness when your post is full of divisive moral rhetoric
re, 反对或者看不惯，不支持不提倡适当质疑就好了，整天惦记着通过各种渠道告洋状，联系各种外媒什么的把这件事儿“发扬光大”，lz你以为你们这群人比章家人能好到哪儿去？对比一下其他族群对自己族裔的袒护，lz你们真的是大义凌然眼里揉不得半点儿沙子！！！一群人等不及的天天各种呐喊，快来看啊，快来看啊，看看我们中国人里有如此“道德败坏骗捐的人”，看看我们是如何是非分明帮你们把他们揭发出来踢出美国去的！ 等哪一天这件事被各大媒体都报道了，你们是不是就happy了满足了？ 反正那些个老美也根本不知道谁是谁，只知道都是中国人还不是啥好事儿，中国人斗中国人，指望老美给你竖大拇指，夸你们道德高尚干的好？真是可笑可悲！ BTW，这个案子还没审呢，章家就算是各种造势 我觉得也是可以理解的，至少还能保持点儿事件热度，等明年开审的时候还有人关注。你们现在把他们都斗倒踢出美帝，等明年开审的时候，原告席连几个亲属和支持者都没有，难道是你们想看到的局面？若嫌疑犯的律师跟你们一样抓住捐款和各种其他对章家人的臆测说事儿 而让疑犯轻易脱罪，这是你们想看到的结果？？？孰轻孰重，那个对华人的危害更大，能不能好好掂量掂量？？？
appleqj 发表于 9/21/2017 7:00:28 PM
You are correct - racism is rampant in the U.S. Still, what does the family's exploitation of their daughter's tragic death for monetary gain have to do with whether or not BC is guilty of kidnapping, rape, and murder? Furthermore, why would you suggest that the family's current fundraising would lead to deportation? Are you saying that you also believe it is unusual?
The FBI seem to have a solid case against the defendant. They took ZYY off their list of kidnapped/missing persons list in mid-July and it seems are ready to proceed with a superseding indictment of capital murder, next month.
The family's fundraising exploits, if anything, encourage greater sympathy for ZYY.
I'm befuddled as to how you speak of unity and accuse others of self-righteousness when your post is full of divisive moral rhetoric
Get a life! 捐款都是让自己满足帮助人的channel. 捐了就捐了。人家女儿死于非命，不管钱怎么用，只要开心就好。本来卷的时候就知道钱不可能把死人救活。只是让活着的家人生活稍微改善一下。料理后事啥的没有经济负担。你管人家怎么用干嘛？！人移民关你啥事？那么多非法移民也没见你们这些人蹦来跳去的。 danasun2001 发表于 9/21/2017 1:13:42 PM
re, 反对或者看不惯，不支持不提倡适当质疑就好了，整天惦记着通过各种渠道告洋状，联系各种外媒什么的把这件事儿“发扬光大”，lz你以为你们这群人比章家人能好到哪儿去？对比一下其他族群对自己族裔的袒护，lz你们真的是大义凌然眼里揉不得半点儿沙子！！！一群人等不及的天天各种呐喊，快来看啊，快来看啊，看看我们中国人里有如此“道德败坏骗捐的人”，看看我们是如何是非分明帮你们把他们揭发出来踢出美国去的！ 等哪一天这件事被各大媒体都报道了，你们是不是就happy了满足了？ 反正那些个老美也根本不知道谁是谁，只知道都是中国人还不是啥好事儿，中国人斗中国人，指望老美给你竖大拇指，夸你们道德高尚干的好？真是可笑可悲！ BTW，这个案子还没审呢，章家就算是各种造势 我觉得也是可以理解的，至少还能保持点儿事件热度，等明年开审的时候还有人关注。你们现在把他们都斗倒踢出美帝，等明年开审的时候，原告席连几个亲属和支持者都没有，难道是你们想看到的局面？若嫌疑犯的律师跟你们一样抓住捐款和各种其他对章家人的臆测说事儿 而让疑犯轻易脱罪，这是你们想看到的结果？？？孰轻孰重，那个对华人的危害更大，能不能好好掂量掂量？？？
There were a lot people jumped out and attacked you. That means you did something really right. You hit them on the right spot. Proud of you. 我是谁重要吗 发表于 9/21/2017 9:54:31 PM
If the petition in any way prompted the family's recent interview (https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/LLMPvFWEo5n0uBVKgdy2Tg ... they looked for a reporter, not the other way around) then we need to make sure we hit at least 150 signatures to make the petition available via internet search (not just word of mouth or direct link)
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/LLMPvFWEo5n0uBVKgdy2Tg
http://news.sinovision.net/society/201709/00419195.htm
如果以下哪怕是微小的可能性，也即最近的请愿刺激了最新的采访（注意是他们主动联络记者、而不是记者采访他们），那么我们应该努力促成至少150个签名、这样这项请愿就可以搜索到。
(热烈欢迎大家转发此文。随便拿去用。)
请大家去下列白宫请愿网址签名，要求白宫介入调查章莹颖家人是否在GoFundMe众筹活动中诈捐。
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-issues-fraud-yingying-zhang-family-emergency-gofundme-campaign
就算真的在30天内收集到10万个签名，白宫大概也不会采取什么实质行动。这次请愿的主要目的是引起仍被蒙在鼓里的英语媒体的注意，停止再帮章家募捐。
侯霄霖在章莹颖的百日活动上表示打算成立基金去帮助跟＂女友＂有相似遭遇的人。这意味着章家准备进一步扩大圈钱的范围。一个慈善基金可供操作的空间极大。就算不参与洗黑钱或像红Ｘ会般非法挪用捐款，亦可光明正大地以管理人身份支薪、申请居留权、聘用亲朋好友、为他们申请居留权、像 GoFundMe 那样收取捐款的某个百分比作为管理费。。。。。。我们不能袖手旁观，必须防患于未然，阻止这场黑色闹剧进一步恶化。
签名不需注册。只要提供电邮地址及确认收到白宫发出的邮件，不用一分钟已完成签名程序。
下面是白宫请愿书的中文翻译。
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调查章莹颖家人有否在 GoFundMe 众筹活动中诈捐
- 章莹颖于2017年6月9日失踪。GoFundMe 平台上为此发起了一项以寻找章莹颖为主要目的的众筹活动。
- 募款目标在活动开启后没多久就从1.5万美金多次调增至50万美金。章家未于GoFundMe网站上对改动作出任何解释。
- 于2017年8月3日，"帮莹颖完成照顾家人这个心愿"被添加在 GoFundMe 的众筹活动目的上。
- 章家之后发表了一封公开信以对网民提出的质疑作出解释，可信内有不少不实资料。另章家虽在美国筹款，此信却只提供了中文版本。
- 网民在 GoFundMe 网站的评论区上讨论对这项筹款活动的多项疑虑。评论区在筹款活动仍在进行时被关闭。
请大家团结起来，阻止诈骗遍地开花。
怎么着急了？
这也是帮助戏精把事情搞大啊！ 他不好移民嘛！
Is that in reference to me? Creation of the petition was a group effort ...
有一亿签名也没用
这个网站就是个joke
给你们发泄用的 签完了该干嘛还干嘛
It was not intentional to redirect to FB ... I happened to have copied and pasted everything from a group post in FB. I don't know how the link got converted but I'll change it now. Thanks for letting me know.
UPDATE: I changed it - the link looks the same to me now as when I first posted it and you said it redirected to FB. I don't know what I'm doing wrong but again, it's not intentional (not sure why you would think it was...?)
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-issues-fraud-yingying-zhang-family-emergency-gofundme-campaign
http://www.enidnews.com/news/local_news/woman-charged-in-bogus-cancer-claim-pleads-guilty/article_3a21d0ea-14d4-5c43-ab8e-17c1774b563a.html
Do you get paid by the hour or per comment?
卷钱的时候好像说的是为了找人的吧？
另外您那个“卷”字用的真心好～～
一开始就看到捐钱，后来不知咋的就开始声讨，说骗捐。我还以为人没死，假装被绑架，实际黑下来。后来忍不住考了一下古，才知道一群自以为是“救世主”捐了，一百块钱，五百块钱，还是一千块钱啥的，然后就觉得自己是基金管理人或股权人一样，追究资金用处。死者家属行为是有点丑陋，但逝者已逝，都宽容一点行吗？
如果真想较真，自己找个律师去告一下。既然在美国，按照美国的游戏规则来玩就好。还跑到那个骗人的网站上丢人现眼。眼界大点行不！？
你圣母心大发心甘情愿被骗是你的事情，为什么别人希望自己的善意用到正确的地方就变救世主了？
These parents lost their daughter the same way (kidnapped, raped, murdered)
Compare the Graham's response to what you have seen of the Zhang's and how they comfort one another. There doesn't seem to be much affection or support between ZYY's parents. ZYY's father does not hold his wife or offer warmth as she cries on media interview after interview and appearance after appearance. He just stands there numb and blind with stoicism. 🐒
Since I mentioned Hannah Graham ... Morgan Harrington was raped and murdered a few years earlier by the same man who raped and murdered Graham. It was DNA found on Graham's clothing that helped link the Harrington and Graham murders.
LE told the Harrington's that their daughter's killer would probably not be found until he committed a second murder. Concerned for young girls in the community and nationwide, Harrington's mom started a non-profit to raise awareness and "help save the next girl"
https://www.facebook.com/SaveTheNextGirl/?ref=br_rs
The Harrington's did not open a GFM campaign to raise $1,000,000 to search for their daughter (even though she was missing for many months), obtain financial support due to loss of Morgan's projected income, or ask the community to contribute to a "foundation" in Morgan's name. Instead, Morgan's mom started an organization to prevent future crime and help other grieving parents.
The focus on acquiring money RIGHT NOW is puzzling when ZYY was taken off the FBI's missing persons list in mid-July. The family must know that the FBI have found ZYY and are working on building a case to link BC to the remains. This has become even more painfully obvious since LE announced that superseding indictments, likely involving the death penalty, are pending. Instead of grieving, the Zhang's are frantically looking for donations to conduct a (unnecessary) search and compensation for loss of ZYY's projected income.
Compare the Harrington and Graham families with the Zhang's - all lost daughters the same way. Who is "mean"?
同意，觉得太过了。反正我是不会去投票的。
This week in Flushing Queens (known as a second Chinatown) a NYC bus collided with a charter bus resulting in 3 fatalities, including the driver of the charter bus, one pedestrian who got caught under one of the buses, and one passenger on the NYC bus.
A Caucasian man in a crowd of onlookers started making comments about how Asian people can''t drive. Two friends stood up for the community and spoke out against the racist stereotype. The Caucasian man backed down immediately when the taller, better built Asian guy challenged him. Solidarity.
https://www.facebook.com/perrystacks/videos/vb.801875359/10159440228650360
Better angle:
[url=https://www.facebook.com/steven.ing/videos/10155694861947603/?hc_location=ufi]https://www.facebook.com/steven.ing/videos/10155694861947603/[/url]
Agreed - maybe you should have read the OP more carefully:
就算真的在30天内收集到10万个签名，白宫大概也不会采取什么实质行动。这次请愿的主要目的是引起仍被蒙在鼓里的英语媒体的注意，停止再帮章家募捐。
签名不需注册。只要提供电邮地址及确认收到白宫发出的邮件，不用一分钟已完成签名程序。
I accept your opinion. I do not know you, I have no characterizations to share. If you allow me, I would like to point out that you accused me of standing on moral high ground in the same sentence that you referred to me as a "jumping clown".
我没有捐钱。如果我当时捐的话，考虑到白发人送黑发人，那捐的钱多半也是当养老钱捐的。
好了！我不会再发帖了。每个人都纠结自己的那点坚持。如果你们的坚持是把老年丧女的人，以极高的道德规范来要求，做不到就要批判，不给人留余地，那就是你们的坚持了。我无话可说。折腾去吧。我想看看你们就这样折腾，除了让人看笑话，还能折腾出啥来！
这段时间他们夫妻包括那个伪男友都吃的肥肥的，一个星期去好几次中餐馆，连饭都懒得做，花你们的捐款花的可开心了。
骗捐党们省省吧，别再做跳梁小丑了!
BTW，这个案子还没审呢，章家就算是各种造势 我觉得也是可以理解的，至少还能保持点儿事件热度，等明年开审的时候还有人关注。你们现在把他们都斗倒踢出美帝，等明年开审的时候，原告席连几个亲属和支持者都没有，难道是你们想看到的局面？若嫌疑犯的律师跟你们一样抓住捐款和各种其他对章家人的臆测说事儿 而让疑犯轻易脱罪，这是你们想看到的结果？？？孰轻孰重，那个对华人的危害更大，能不能好好掂量掂量？？？
足以阻止这个版上的人再捐款，要不你每天大额捐几笔，气死这是十几个人？
You are correct - racism is rampant in the U.S. Still, what does the family's exploitation of their daughter's tragic death for monetary gain have to do with whether or not BC is guilty of kidnapping, rape, and murder? Furthermore, why would you suggest that the family's current fundraising would lead to deportation? Are you saying that you also believe it is unusual?
The FBI seem to have a solid case against the defendant. They took ZYY off their list of kidnapped/missing persons list in mid-July and it seems are ready to proceed with a superseding indictment of capital murder, next month.
The family's fundraising exploits, if anything, encourage greater sympathy for ZYY.
I'm befuddled as to how you speak of unity and accuse others of self-righteousness when your post is full of divisive moral rhetoric
The FBI seem to have a solid case against the defendant. They took ZYY off their list of kidnapped/missing persons list in mid-July and it seems are ready to proceed with a superseding indictment of capital murder, next month.
The family's fundraising exploits, if anything, encourage greater sympathy for ZYY.
I'm befuddled as to how you speak of unity and accuse others of self-righteousness when your post is full of divisive moral rhetoric
There were a lot people jumped out and attacked you. That means you did something really right. You hit them on the right spot. Proud of you.
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