Hillary在辩论中说了支持Roe v. Wade,这就明确了堕胎法必须以保护孕妇健康和保护潜在生命为前题。
Presidential candidates used to talk about the Supreme Court and abortion in code words like "litmus test" and "strict constructionist," but at Wednesday night's third and final presidential debate, the candidates went all in with their answers. Hillary Clinton reiterated her support for Roe v. Wade, which legalized abortion until viability nationwide. Asked by moderator Chris Wallace whether he wants to see the court overturn Roe v. Wade, Donald Trump several times simply described what would happen if it is, which is that states would set abortion policies.
Wallace asked Clinton about her 2003 vote against the federal Partial Birth Abortion Ban, which didn't ban later abortions but rather outlawed a specific method of abortion without an exception for the health of a woman. "Roe v. Wade very clearly sets out that there can be regulations on abortion so long as the life and the health of the mother are taken into account," Clinton said. "And when I voted as a senator, I did not think that that was the case."
Roe v. Wade, BLACKMUN, J., delivered the opinion of the Court.在承认妇女堕胎权为宪法保护的个人隐私的同时,Blackmun指出:决定堕胎与否的个人隐私并不是绝对自由。在妊娠期间,存在两种“重要和正当”的国家利益,一是保护孕妇健康,二是保护潜在生命,政府得为实现这两种利益而制定限制堕胎的法律。 为了在妇女隐私权和两种不可抗拒的国家利益之间划分界限,Blackmun将妊娠期分为三个阶段(three trimesters):(1)在妊娠头三个月(第1到第12周),堕胎危险性小于正常分娩,政府没有必要为了保护孕妇健康而限制堕胎,医生与孕妇磋商之后,可以自行决定是否堕胎,不受法令限制;(2)在妊娠头三个月之后、胎儿具有母体外存活性之前,堕胎危险性增加,政府得以保护孕妇健康为目的而限制堕胎,但是,限制手段只能以保护孕妇健康为必要;(3)在胎儿具有母体外存活性(第24到28周)之后,政府可以为了保护潜在生命或者孕妇健康而采取包括禁止堕胎在内的措施,除非堕胎是为了挽救孕妇生命。
Hillary在辩论中说了支持Roe v. Wade,这就明确了堕胎法必须以保护孕妇健康和保护潜在生命为前题。
Presidential candidates used to talk about the Supreme Court and abortion in code words like "litmus test" and "strict constructionist," but at Wednesday night's third and final presidential debate, the candidates went all in with their answers. Hillary Clinton reiterated her support for Roe v. Wade, which legalized abortion until viability nationwide. Asked by moderator Chris Wallace whether he wants to see the court overturn Roe v. Wade, Donald Trump several times simply described what would happen if it is, which is that states would set abortion policies.
Wallace asked Clinton about her 2003 vote against the federal Partial Birth Abortion Ban, which didn't ban later abortions but rather outlawed a specific method of abortion without an exception for the health of a woman. "Roe v. Wade very clearly sets out that there can be regulations on abortion so long as the life and the health of the mother are taken into account," Clinton said. "And when I voted as a senator, I did not think that that was the case."
Roe v. Wade, BLACKMUN, J., delivered the opinion of the Court.在承认妇女堕胎权为宪法保护的个人隐私的同时,Blackmun指出:决定堕胎与否的个人隐私并不是绝对自由。在妊娠期间,存在两种“重要和正当”的国家利益,一是保护孕妇健康,二是保护潜在生命,政府得为实现这两种利益而制定限制堕胎的法律。 为了在妇女隐私权和两种不可抗拒的国家利益之间划分界限,Blackmun将妊娠期分为三个阶段(three trimesters):(1)在妊娠头三个月(第1到第12周),堕胎危险性小于正常分娩,政府没有必要为了保护孕妇健康而限制堕胎,医生与孕妇磋商之后,可以自行决定是否堕胎,不受法令限制;(2)在妊娠头三个月之后、胎儿具有母体外存活性之前,堕胎危险性增加,政府得以保护孕妇健康为目的而限制堕胎,但是,限制手段只能以保护孕妇健康为必要;(3)在胎儿具有母体外存活性(第24到28周)之后,政府可以为了保护潜在生命或者孕妇健康而采取包括禁止堕胎在内的措施,除非堕胎是为了挽救孕妇生命。
MATTHEWS: Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no as a principle? TRUMP: The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment. MATTHEWS: For the woman. TRUMP: Yeah, there has to be some form. MATTHEWS: Ten cents? Ten years? What? TRUMP: I don’t know. That I don’t know. That I don’t know.
选举人票数也是根据州人口数量浮动的
当然地广人稀的地方最合算 因为有个最低的限是3票
还有个问题就是加州非公民多 算选举人票的时候算住户不分公民不公民 所以等于实际上放大了加州公民每人一票的效益
说实话红州蓝州还有按照race来assume voting 倾向是很没意思的。红蓝总是变化的。
https://wallethub.com/edu/how-much-is-your-vote-worth/7932/
因为她想赶紧结束这个话题。。。
不论讲不讲清楚细节这个topic谈起来对她都hurt
因为到了第三场辩论的时候 她的问题已经很明显了,中间派还在摇摆,基本盘积极性不高。她的判断是她要主攻争取摇摆州的中间派和偏Trump选民,比如OH FL AZ的中间派,这些人住pro-choice/pro-life上更lean life.
但是她没想到后来发生了FBI事件,她被迫放弃争取中间派的策略, 转移到 encourage自己盘的积极性。但是这都是后话了。
我知道这个 我就是说不能简单地说把红州的左派的人撵走到蓝的就多么合算
不过OH FL的人的确非常得有优势。。。
美国三权分立的一个大缺点就是两党把堕胎 同性恋这种本来很好用一个moderate solution解决的问题搞成了党争。效率低下而且完全不理性。。。
为啥OH摇摆州能有这么右的东西?
因为OH的大部分人宗教观是偏右的 学生左派势力非常弱
投民主党的大多是工会啊 考虑经济问题啊 堕胎问题上还是偏右一点点的 其实如果libertarian能成为大党我怀疑OH会变他们的铁仓。。。
OH的人口组成经济分布等于一个微型美国 风向标 这个法案说明美国全民极速右转的倾向
今年OH的年轻众议员敢叫板佩洛西老太太,明知道赢不了还要做给选民看。未来两年会有大批民主党官员作出偏共和党的举动来吸引选民,民主党在右倾大环境下有分裂的危险。
OH州长会不会通过这个法案。。。
kasish是坚决pro life的--为了讨好OH的选民
签这种法案跟他想做总统的目标矛盾 但是他年纪大了 8年后胜算太小
Presidential candidates used to talk about the Supreme Court and abortion in code words like "litmus test" and "strict constructionist," but at Wednesday night's third and final presidential debate, the candidates went all in with their answers.
Hillary Clinton reiterated her support for Roe v. Wade, which legalized abortion until viability nationwide. Asked by moderator Chris Wallace whether he wants to see the court overturn Roe v. Wade, Donald Trump several times simply described what would happen if it is, which is that states would set abortion policies.
Wallace asked Clinton about her 2003 vote against the federal Partial Birth Abortion Ban, which didn't ban later abortions but rather outlawed a specific method of abortion without an exception for the health of a woman.
"Roe v. Wade very clearly sets out that there can be regulations on abortion so long as the life and the health of the mother are taken into account," Clinton said. "And when I voted as a senator, I did not think that that was the case."
Roe v. Wade, BLACKMUN, J., delivered the opinion of the Court.在承认妇女堕胎权为宪法保护的个人隐私的同时,Blackmun指出:决定堕胎与否的个人隐私并不是绝对自由。在妊娠期间,存在两种“重要和正当”的国家利益,一是保护孕妇健康,二是保护潜在生命,政府得为实现这两种利益而制定限制堕胎的法律。
为了在妇女隐私权和两种不可抗拒的国家利益之间划分界限,Blackmun将妊娠期分为三个阶段(three trimesters):(1)在妊娠头三个月(第1到第12周),堕胎危险性小于正常分娩,政府没有必要为了保护孕妇健康而限制堕胎,医生与孕妇磋商之后,可以自行决定是否堕胎,不受法令限制;(2)在妊娠头三个月之后、胎儿具有母体外存活性之前,堕胎危险性增加,政府得以保护孕妇健康为目的而限制堕胎,但是,限制手段只能以保护孕妇健康为必要;(3)在胎儿具有母体外存活性(第24到28周)之后,政府可以为了保护潜在生命或者孕妇健康而采取包括禁止堕胎在内的措施,除非堕胎是为了挽救孕妇生命。
都是同胞,网上打打嘴仗,但别那么气急败坏的,你说我白痴就白痴吧,你开心就好 :-)
川川主席牛啊
这个我也一直深恶痛绝,而且很长时间一直因为这个原因不支持GOP。
今年大选堕胎同性恋话题占很少比例,倒是有两党稍微进化一些的感觉。
美国妇产科医生协会非常诟病这个
Trump上台后接受的第一次电视采访中就重申要任命高院法官over turn Roe v. Wade. 一些共和党女党棍都说他这是政治口号, 现在看来这个很可能获得足够的支持, 巩固他的保守势力的票仓。
同样的问题, 到时候liberal的人都集中在几个州, 获得不够足够的electoral votes。 Trump都说了, 他就是冲着electoral votes去的,肯定会推动这类右翼保守法律, 他任命的内阁成员完全支持这种想法。
为什么这次这么多人担心(不是指华人上的), 是因为Trump任命的极右翼好战内阁,共和党掌握全部三个分支,并且任命高法大法官,制衡的力量薄弱。Trump的竞选过程又唤醒了一群白人至上的右翼份子,以仇恨为根基的理念继续撕裂美国社会。 恐怕会有long lasting effects。 没有人说得准未来会怎么样, 但是各种迹象都不好。
恩 我看错了 ,弄成以前通过的限制20 周堕胎的127,民主党议员也有支持。这次bill不是你说的21,是493。民主党也不能阻止这个法案,那就只有靠选民了。如果这么多共和党议员都支持极右,不担心2年后没票了么....
我刚来,如果说错了就纠正。你老id冷静啊
我从来没有说过Trump极右, 说他极右是赞美他是个理想主义者了。 但是他任命的内阁都是极右的。 Mike Pence之前就在indiana通过反堕胎法, 禁止堕胎发现有缺陷的胎儿。 Mike Pence是有理想的极端右翼。他们会推动他们的极端右翼政策。 我不是川粉, 但是我不希望trump被impeach, 真正可怕的Pence.
Anti abortion law很有可能变成全国性法案... “abortion is all but illegal in states controlled by Republicans but legal in states controlled by Democrats.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/12/07/roe-v-wade-may-be-doomed-dark-days-are-ahead-for-reproductive-rights/?utm_term=.5b538c684dd1
Trump任期指派一个大法官, 已经明确表示会选支持anti abortion的。 还有三个年纪很大的大法官Ginsburg (age 83), Breyer (78) or Kennedy (80)。 如果卸任, 也将由Trump指派。 大家一起祈祷这三位健康长寿吧。
太可怕了
虽然我也有这个担心,但是同时也觉得那些左派也不是吃干饭的吧,总有人出来抗争吧。
不过想起加州大麻合法,监狱随便减刑,加州人民还支持民主党,我又觉得也许我的看法和美国大众人民不一样。
我还是试着去理解这些这个政策吧,看哪个容易接受一点。
Trump的四年任期已经定了, 如果被impeach, Pence上只会更糟糕。 然后就是指派大法官的问题, 大法官是终 - 身 - 制! 所以这个效果会是很长久的。 就跟谁当总统没关系了。 也是美国权利制衡的体系。 只不过碰巧了Trump任期有这么多大法官已经很老了。
折中的方案可能就是蓝州抵制而已。。
MATTHEWS: Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no as a principle?
TRUMP: The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.
MATTHEWS: For the woman.
TRUMP: Yeah, there has to be some form.
MATTHEWS: Ten cents? Ten years? What?
TRUMP: I don’t know. That I don’t know. That I don’t know.
这个不可怕的啊
看obama和司法部门联手搞极左搞种族整整8年,最后丢票了,换trump来推翻。
如果美国的大众民众对堕胎法不满,2年4年后换民主党上台改正,大法官也管不着。
最糟糕的还是对华人或者我自己有害,但是广大选民却支持或者无所谓,那永远都不可能推翻。从这个角度说,厕所大麻堕胎都还好,aa和细分才是最恐怖的,把华人从美国民众里面剥离出来了,选票太少政客又懒得理,通过的州就永远的通过了
想起来就绝望