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xiqi
101 楼
我穿越了吗?
ninian 发表于 12/1/2016 12:53:37 AM
同感。感觉同一个帖子隔个N月就被顶起来一次
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High.eee
102 楼
真是快成月经贴了,上次就讨论过了,还几个号称家里那口子是专家的转说。
我周围一群专家,日本相关会议可不少,各类相关专家该去开会的一点不耽误。这些都经过计算的好嘛!我自己也算过的…
那点量还不如多吃个香蕉高。
你去海拔高的地方花一趟雪也不少辐射呢,不比你去日本低。
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narnia123
103 楼
真是快成月经贴了,上次就讨论过了,还几个号称家里那口子是专家的转说。
我周围一群专家,日本相关会议可不少,各类相关专家该去开会的一点不耽误。这些都经过计算的好嘛!我自己也算过的…
那点量还不如多吃个香蕉高。
你去海拔高的地方花一趟雪也不少辐射呢,不比你去日本低。
High.eee 发表于 12/1/2016 4:26:41 PM

你知道当年国内非典时候,老百姓是怎么样被政府科普的吗?防疫站的统计数字是怎么样一点点被放出来的吗?

再说一便,这次日本辐射,最大杀伤力并不是来自于堆芯瞬间爆炸释放出来的,而是当时为了浇灭爆炸用了大量的水,这些被污染了的水去哪里了你知道吗?
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sunnypotato
104 楼

你知道当年国内非典时候,老百姓是怎么样被政府科普的吗?防疫站的统计数字是怎么样一点点被放出来的吗?

再说一便,这次日本辐射,最大杀伤力并不是来自于堆芯瞬间爆炸释放出来的,而是当时为了浇灭爆炸用了大量的水,这些被污染了的水去哪里了你知道吗?

narnia123 发表于 12/1/2016 4:32:39 PM
那你就具体的解释一下,或者提供一些有用的信息啊,这么故弄玄虚干嘛?下面是我查到的,如果这个来源不权威,也欢迎大家补充更正

http://phys.org/news/2016-06-fukushima-oceans-years.html

Distribution in water. Cs is very soluble, so it was rapidly dispersed in the ocean. Prevailing sea currents meant that some areas received more fall-out than others due to ocean mixing processes. At its peak in 2011, the 137Cs signal right at the FDNPP was tens of millions of times higher than prior to the accident. Over time, and with distance from Japan, levels decrease significantly. By 2014 the 137Cs signal 2000km North of Hawaii was equivalent to around six times that remaining from fallout from atmospheric nuclear tests from the 1960's, and about 2-3 times higher than prior fallout levels along the west coast of N. America. Most of the fallout is concentrated in the top few hundred metres of the sea. It is likely that maximum radiation levels will be attained off the North American coast in the 2015-16 period, before declining to 1-2 Bq per cubic metre (around the level associated with background nuclear weapon testing) by 2020. Sea-floor sediments contain less than 1% of the 137Cs released by the FDNPP, although the sea-floor contamination is still high close to the FDNPP. The redistribution of sediments by bottom-feeding organisms (more common near the coast) and storms is complex.

Uptake by marine life. In 2011, around half the fish samples in coastal waters off Fukushima had radiocesium levels above the Japanese 100Bq/kg limit, but by 2015 this had dropped to less than 1% above the limit. High levels are still found in fish around the FDNPP port. High levels of 131I were measured in fish in April 2011, but as this has a short radioactive half-life, it is now below detection levels. Generally, with the exception of species close to the FDNPP, there seem to be little long-term measurable effects on marine life.

Risk to Humans. The radiation risk to human life is comparatively modest in comparison to the 15,000 lives were lost as a result to the Tohoku earthquake and tsunami. So far, there have been no direct radiation deaths. The most exposed FDNPP evacuees received a total dose of 70 mSv, which (if they are representative of the general population) would increase their lifetime fatal cancer risk from 24% to 24.4%. However, there are still over 100,000 evacuees from the Fukushima area, and many industries such as fishing and tourism have been badly hit.
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dextran
105 楼
那你就具体的解释一下,或者提供一些有用的信息啊,这么故弄玄虚干嘛?下面是我查到的,如果这个来源不权威,也欢迎大家补充更正

http://phys.org/news/2016-06-fukushima-oceans-years.html

Distribution in water. Cs is very soluble, so it was rapidly dispersed in the ocean. Prevailing sea currents meant that some areas received more fall-out than others due to ocean mixing processes. At its peak in 2011, the 137Cs signal right at the FDNPP was tens of millions of times higher than prior to the accident. Over time, and with distance from Japan, levels decrease significantly. By 2014 the 137Cs signal 2000km North of Hawaii was equivalent to around six times that remaining from fallout from atmospheric nuclear tests from the 1960's, and about 2-3 times higher than prior fallout levels along the west coast of N. America. Most of the fallout is concentrated in the top few hundred metres of the sea. It is likely that maximum radiation levels will be attained off the North American coast in the 2015-16 period, before declining to 1-2 Bq per cubic metre (around the level associated with background nuclear weapon testing) by 2020. Sea-floor sediments contain less than 1% of the 137Cs released by the FDNPP, although the sea-floor contamination is still high close to the FDNPP. The redistribution of sediments by bottom-feeding organisms (more common near the coast) and storms is complex.

Uptake by marine life. In 2011, around half the fish samples in coastal waters off Fukushima had radiocesium levels above the Japanese 100Bq/kg limit, but by 2015 this had dropped to less than 1% above the limit. High levels are still found in fish around the FDNPP port. High levels of 131I were measured in fish in April 2011, but as this has a short radioactive half-life, it is now below detection levels. Generally, with the exception of species close to the FDNPP, there seem to be little long-term measurable effects on marine life.

Risk to Humans. The radiation risk to human life is comparatively modest in comparison to the 15,000 lives were lost as a result to the Tohoku earthquake and tsunami. So far, there have been no direct radiation deaths. The most exposed FDNPP evacuees received a total dose of 70 mSv, which (if they are representative of the general population) would increase their lifetime fatal cancer risk from 24% to 24.4%. However, there are still over 100,000 evacuees from the Fukushima area, and many industries such as fishing and tourism have been badly hit.

sunnypotato 发表于 12/1/2016 5:06:54 PM

回复的好,不过阴谋论者是不会相信数据和专家的。
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johnhay
106 楼
回复 89楼sunnypotato的帖子

拜託日本米不是因為在日本本土種的就好吃謝謝,是因為米種,水質,氣侯各方面配合起來,現在的懷疑是如果本來種的出來的米但因輻射的條件改變跟本來的品質不能比了,混在原來好吃的錦米拉低錦米品質
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sunnypotato
107 楼
回复 89楼sunnypotato的帖子

拜託日本米不是因為在日本本土種的就好吃謝謝,是因為米種,水質,氣侯各方面配合起來,現在的懷疑是如果本來種的出來的米但因輻射的條件改變跟本來的品質不能比了,混在原來好吃的錦米拉低錦米品質

johnhay 发表于 12/1/2016 5:16:08 PM
东北大米,日本米,和美国种的锦米,富贵花,品种都一样。但是东北和日本种的比美国的好吃,因为气候和土壤不一样。
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johnhay
108 楼
回复 107楼sunnypotato的帖子

我上面不就說了土地水質米種至少三個變因,但是現在日本土地水質改變了造成品質不好了,原來我是覺得10年錢前左右的錦米跟日本米沒兩樣,但近兩年的錦米明顯品質不好,所以懷疑就是用其他像福島米,或者美國土地有改變,但明顯日本可能性更大一點
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sunnypotato
109 楼
回复 107楼sunnypotato的帖子

我上面不就說了土地水質米種至少三個變因,但是現在日本土地水質改變了造成品質不好了,原來我是覺得10年錢前左右的錦米跟日本米沒兩樣,但近兩年的錦米明顯品質不好,所以懷疑就是用其他像福島米,或者美國土地有改變,但明顯日本可能性更大一點

johnhay 发表于 12/1/2016 5:40:40 PM
你这是心里作用吧。不管是11年之前,还是11年之后,锦米和国内东北大米,还有日本大米相比,都很难吃。还有就是你说的水质改变,辐射区已经封锁了。辐射水主要排进太平洋,种大米用的是淡水,即便是有改变,也不是你能吃出来的改变。
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johnhay
110 楼
回复 109楼sunnypotato的帖子

不是心裡作用,我也沒把錦米跟其他米比,就是現在的錦米跟以前的錦米比,光是看現在的錦米都是碎的顆粒不飽滿,口感也沒以前好了,如果你是近年才吃可能對你就沒區別了,我一直都吃錦米的所以我覺得差別很明顯,再者福島核外洩的問題是跟包含地下水跟附近整體環境,不是光核廢料往海裡倒跟種稻沒關係的問題
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sunnypotato
111 楼
回复 109楼sunnypotato的帖子

不是心裡作用,我也沒把錦米跟其他米比,就是現在的錦米跟以前的錦米比,光是看現在的錦米都是碎的顆粒不飽滿,口感也沒以前好了,如果你是近年才吃可能對你就沒區別了,我一直都吃錦米的所以我覺得差別很明顯,再者福島核外洩的問題是跟包含地下水跟附近整體環境,不是光核廢料往海裡倒跟種稻沒關係的問題

johnhay 发表于 12/1/2016 5:56:31 PM
一直吃锦米的飘过。。。锦米本来就不好吃。因为在国内吃东北大米长大的。你说的更像是新米和陈米的区别
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Confuse
112 楼
此帖是智商测试贴吗?
真有很多是来显示脑子是闲置的。
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johnhay
113 楼
回复 111楼sunnypotato的帖子

如果真的只是陳米跟新米的區別那錦米大概就是騙子,他的包裝上有新米的字樣,再者不可能完全只供陳米,我曾試過在不同超市買在網上買都是不好的米粒,所以我已經不吃半年了
凤梨酥99
114 楼
自从核爆后美国政府也不给日本产品进口了,尽管去嘲笑美国政府没脑子吧。我就不明白了,世界上的产品那么多,偏偏要以身试险我也能理解,但不用操笑别人,没这个必要。你爱吃,自己吃个够就行了。
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narnia123
115 楼
此帖是智商测试贴吗?
真有很多是来显示脑子是闲置的。
Confuse 发表于 12/1/2016 6:21:02 PM
这话说的真够高冷的
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pxqteam
116 楼
看了刚刚买的防晒,写了 made in USA, 是不是这样就没事了呀?
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aq2016
117 楼
插一句哈,铯137 (核爆产物)半衰期是30年。以前生物实验室用磷32标记DNA,RNA, 是因为磷32会替换核糖核酸中的磷31(正常元素,无放射性),用碘125 标记蛋白质,就是它能结合到蛋白质上,可想而知铯137 也可以和人体细胞的某些成分结合,而且它的半衰期又很长,基本视为无法排出,终身携带了。虽然是微量,而且每个个体不同,产生的后果也有差异。核辐射影响最大的是生殖系统和免疫系统(血液疾病)。 能不冒险就不要冒险了。很多人担心转基因食品,其实转个基因进人体细胞来有多难,和放射性物质的影响比起来,算个什么。不是危言耸听哈,愿意注意的人自然懂,都是个人的选择了。
奔跑的兔子
118 楼
好多在欧美卖的护肤品都是made in japan啊
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lgao
119 楼
的确是智商测试贴
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zhemeai1990
120 楼
刚刚看了下,买的资生堂都是made in USA,买的植村秀还是made in JAPAN. 但我觉得能进口美国的都是FdA认为安全的东西,毕竟是五年前的事了。
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daidaiwei
121 楼


mark一下台湾的金兰牌香油,我现在用的还是日本牌子的香油呢。

irene 发表于 12/1/2016 2:54:29 PM
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zhemeai1990
122 楼
磷之所以能结合到蛋白质上是因为磷本身就在蛋白质中大量存在,所以可以替换。但是这不能成为铯也能和人体内物质结合的理由啊。
"插一句哈,铯137 (核爆产物)半衰期是30年。以前生物实验室用磷32标记DNA,RNA, 是因为磷32会替换核糖核酸中的磷31(正常元素,无放射性),用碘125 标记蛋白质,就是它能结合到蛋白质上,可想而知铯137 也可以和人体细胞的某些成分结合,而且它的半衰期又很长,基本视为无法排出,终身携带了。虽然是微量,而且每个个体不同,产生的后果也有差异。核辐射影响最大的是生殖系统和免疫系统(血液疾病)。 能不冒险就不要冒险了。很多人担心转基因食品,其实转个基因进人体细胞来有多难,和放射性物质的影响比起来,算个什么。不是危言耸听哈,愿意注意的人自然懂,都是个人的选择了。"
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zhemeai1990
123 楼
说话真难听。发出来大家讨论一下就是脑残?你这样口无遮拦的才是脑残吧。
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SheldonCooper
124 楼
就是好奇“7月28日2015” 为啥是“一星期前”
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smashbox_123
125 楼
这个新闻应该很早就有了吧。我看我们这里日本超市不是照样卖进口的日本食物等东西。 不怕死的还是会吃的。。核辐射这种东西短期内是看不出的。要多少年后症状才能显现出来

gingersweets 发表于 12/1/2016 11:45:56 AM
一般现象是癌变,从来没有病因的病,谁能说因为吃过用过日本的东西呢?
秋日的私语
126 楼
看了下刚买的资生堂,都是Made in USA的,神仙水是写Made in Japan
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angelamela
127 楼
呵呵,这就是隔壁楼里说的高素质的日本,真是对全球有责任心啊。
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zhemeai1990
128 楼
为啥又有人脑残转这个. 你们就不能把FDA原文看看清楚吗?
htscorpio 发表于 12/1/2016 2:53:58 PM

转贴大家讨论一下就是脑残?你这种口无遮拦的还真是智商情商双高呢。