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Boston Bombing, 3 lives.
Southern California shooting, 14 lives.
Orlando shooting, 49 lives.
Liberal Pride and Righteousness, Priceless.

驫龘麤靐 发表于 6/28/2016 11:17:37 AM
数据放首页了哈~ isis自己都认了,左派就不承认是isis,真是非法形容了~
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给大家看一篇论文,有些枯燥,我总结一下主要观点是反映了现在美国学界的白色恐怖政治正确,保守派遭受歧视导致风向一边倒影响到了各种科学研究。强调多元化反而变成了多元化自己本身的一元化。
这论文是辉格翻译小组自己翻译的。
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It’s finally out–The big review paper on the lack of political diversity in social psychology
终于来啦:关于社会心理学缺乏政治多元性的大型综述论文
作者:Jonathan Haidt @ 2015-9-14
译者:沈沉(@你在何地-sxy)
校对:龟海海
来源:Heterodox Academy,http://heterodoxacademy.org/2015/09/14/bbs-paper-on-lack-of-political-diversity/
Heterodox Academy has its origins in a collaborative effort by five social psychologists and a sociologist to study a problem that has long been noted in psychology: nearly everyone in the field is on the left, politically. We have been working together since 2011 to write a paper explaining how this situation came about, how it reduces the quality of science published in social psychology, and what can be done to improve the science. (Note that none of us self-identifies as conservative.)  In the process we discovered the work of the other scholars in other fields who joined with us to create this site.
“异端学院”发端于五位社会心理学家和一位社会学家对心理学领域早被注意到的一个问题的合作研究:该领域中几乎所有人都是政治上的左派。自2011年始,我们就一直在共同写作一篇论文,解释这一现象是如何产生的、它如何降低了社会心理学领域所发表的科学文章的质量,以及为改进这一科学可以做些什么。(注意我们之中没人自认为是保守派)在此过程中,我们发现了其他一些学者在其它领域的研究成果,他们加入了我们的队伍,一起创建了这个网站。
Our paper is finally published this week! A preprint of the manuscript was posted last year, but now we have the final typeset version, plus the 33 commentaries. Here is a link to the PDF of the final manuscript, on the website of Behavioral and Brain Sciences. (Thanks to Paul Bloom for his wise and patient editorship.) Here’s a link to a page linking to HTML versions of all the documents. But because our article is long (13 dense pages) and the 33 commentaries are longer (another 31 pages) — and then there’s our response (another 7 pages) — we recognize that few people will ever read the whole package.
我们的论文终于在本周出版啦!我们去年曾贴出原稿的预印本,但现在我们已经有了排版稿,外加33条评论。以下是《行为与脑科学》杂志网站上最终稿的PDF版链接(感谢Paul Bloom明确且细致的编辑工作。)以下则是所有文档的HTML版的网页链接。不过,由于我们的文章很长(密密麻麻13页),那33条评论更长(加31页)——还有我们的回应(再加7页)——我们认为没什么人会读完全部材料。
For all these reasons, we offer here a “CliffsNotes” version, giving the basics of our argument using excerpts copied directly from the paper.  [Occasional comments from me–Jonathan Haidt–are interspersed in brackets] Please also see this post by Lee Jussim, explaining why we think this problem is so serious. In a later post Jarret Crawford summarizes the 33 commentaries on our article.
出于以上理由,我们现在提供一份“克里夫笔记”【导读荟萃】版,通过对论文的直接复制摘录,给出我们的论证要点。[间或在括号中加入了由我(Jonathan Haidt)写的评论]。此外,还请阅读Lee Jussim发布的这个帖子,他解释了我们为何认为这个问题很严重。在之后的一片帖子中,Jarret Crawford总结了33条关于我们文章的评论。
CITATION: Duarte, J. L., Crawford, J. T., Stern, C., Haidt, J., Jussim, L., & Tetlock, P. E. (2015). Political diversity will improve social psychological science. Behavioral and Brain Sciences, 38, 1-13.DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1017/S0140525X14000430[and try this link, with no paywall, or this link to the preprint version]
引用:Duarte, J. L., Crawford, J. T., Stern, C., Haidt, J., Jussim, L., & Tetlock, P. E. (2015). 政治多样性将会改善社会心理科学。《行为和脑科学》, 38, 1-13.DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1017/S0140525X14000430[另外,试试这个链接,没有付费墙,或者这个预印本]
ABSTRACT
摘要
Psychologists have demonstrated the value of diversity – particularly diversity of viewpoints – for enhancing creativity, discovery, and problem solving. But one key type of viewpoint diversity is lacking in academic psychology in general and social psychology in particular: political diversity.
心理学家已向我们展示,多元性——特别是视角的多元性——对于提高创造力、促进新发现和解决问题的价值。但是,一般而言在学院心理学以及特别而言在社会心理学领域,却缺乏一种关键形式的视角多元性:政治多元性。
This article reviews the available evidence and finds support for four claims: (1) Academic psychology once had considerable political diversity, but has lost nearly all of it in the last 50 years.
本文考察了可见的证据,并为下列四个论断提供了支撑:(1)学院心理学过去曾有过相当大的政治多元性,但在过去50年间几乎已将其丧失殆尽。
(2) This lack of political diversity can undermine the validity of social psychological science via mechanisms such as the embedding of liberal values into research questions and methods, steering researchers away from important but politically unpalatable research topics, and producing conclusions that mischaracterize liberals and conservatives alike.
(2)这种政治多元性的缺乏,可能破坏社会心理科学的有效性,破坏可能通过这样一些机制发生:将自由派价值观预置于研究问题和方法中,引导研究者避开事关重大但在政治上不受待见的研究课题,并得出对自由派抑或保守派特征的错误描绘。
(3) Increased political diversity would improve social psychological science by reducing the impact of bias mechanisms such as confirmation bias, and by empowering dissenting minorities to improve the quality of the majority’s thinking.
(3)增加政治多元性,能够改善社会心理科学,其途径包括降低偏见机制如确认偏误的影响,让持异议的少数派有机会改进多数派的思考质量。
(4) The underrepresentation of non-liberals in social psychology is most likely due to a combination of self-selection, hostile climate, and discrimination. We close with recommendations for increasing political diversity in social psychology.
(4)社会心理学中非自由派的人数不足,最有可能是自我选择、敌对气氛以及歧视等因素共同作用的结果。文章结尾我们就增进社会心理学中政治多元化提出了一些建议。
****** 1. Introduction
1. 导论
In the last few years, social psychology has faced a series of challenges to the validity of its research, including a few high-profile replication failures, a handful of fraud cases, and several articles on questionable research practices and inflated effect sizes… In this article, we suggest that one largely overlooked cause of failure is a lack of political diversity. We review evidence suggesting that political diversity and dissent would improve the reliability and validity of social psychological science…
过去数年间,社会心理学在其研究有效性上面临一系列挑战,包括一些众人瞩目的试验重复失败,一些造假事件,还有一些文章用的是有问题的研究操作和夸大的效应量……我们在本文中表明,此种失败的一个原因受到广泛忽视,即缺乏政治多元性。我们考察了相关证据,表明政治多元性和异议能够改进社会心理科学的可靠性和有效性……
We focus on conservatives as an underrepresented group because the data on the prevalence in psychology of different ideological groups is best for the liberal-conservative contrast – and the departure from the proportion of liberals and conservatives in the U.S. population is so dramatic. However, we argue that the field needs more non-liberals however they specifically self-identify (e.g., libertarian, moderate)…
我们将保守派这个代表性不足的群体作为关注焦点,因为在心理学中,不同意识形态群体的流行程度数据最适合进行自由派-保守派对比,也因为与全美人口的自由派与保守派占比相比,心理学领域偏差极为惊人。不过,我们论证道,这个领域需要更多非自由派,无论他们的自我认同具体为何(如自由意志主义者、温和派等)……
The lack of political diversity is not a threat to the validity of specific studies in many and perhaps most areas of research in social psychology. The lack of diversity causes problems for the scientific process primarily in areas related to the political concerns of the Left – areas such as race, gender, stereotyping, environmentalism, power, and inequality – as well as in areas where conservatives themselves are studied, such as in moral and political psychology.
多元政治的缺乏对某些特定领域(或许是大多数社会心理学领域)的研究有效性,并不构成威胁。多元政治的缺失造成问题的主要是科研过程中涉及那些跟左派的政治关怀有关的领域——如种族、性别、刻板印象、环保主义、权力和不平等,以及在那些研究对象就包括了保守派的领域——如道德和政治心理学。
****** 2. Psychology is less politically diverse than ever
2. 心理学的政治多元性之少史无前例
[In this section we review all available information on the political party identification of psychologists, as well as their liberal-conservative self descriptions. The graph below says it all. Whichever of those two measures you use, you find a big change after 1990. Before the 1990s, academic psychology only LEANED left. Liberals and Democrats outnumbered Conservatives and Republican by 4 to 1 or less. But as the “greatest generation” retired in the 1990s and was replaced by baby boomers, the ratio skyrocketed to something more like 12 to 1. In just 20 years. Few psychologists realize just how quickly or completely the field has become a political monoculture. This graph took us by surprise too.]
[本部分我们就心理学家的政治党派认同以及他们对属于自由派还是保守派的自我描述,回顾所有可以找到的信息。下列图表说明了一切。不论你采用两种测量方法中的哪一种,你都能发现1990年后发生了一个重大变化。1990年代以前,学院心理学只是倾向左派。自由派和民主党比保守派和共和党多,比率为4:1及以下。但到了1990年代,“最伟大的一代”退休【译注:指1920年代生人,因其经历大萧条、二战、战后重建而与美国同铸辉煌而得此名】,“婴儿潮一代”取而代之【译注:指战后至1960年代中期生人】,这一比率飙升到12:1以上的程度。只用了20年。极少有心理学家意识到这一领域转变为一种政治单一栽培的快速程度和彻底程度。这个图标也令我们大吃一惊。]

Figure 1. The political party and ideological sympathies of academic psychologists have shifted leftward over time. Circles show ratios of self-reports of liberal vs. conservative. Diamonds show ratios of self-reports of party preference or voting (Democrat vs. Republican). Data for 1924–60 is reported in McClintock et al. (1965). Open diamonds are participants’ recollections of whom they voted for; gray diamonds are self-reported party identification at time of the survey. Data for 1999 is reported in Rothman et al. (2005). Data from 2006 is reported in Gross and Simmons (2007). The right-most circle is from Inbar and Lammers (2012) and is the ratio of selfidentified liberal/conservative social psychologists.
图1. 学院心理学家的政治党派和意识形态倾向已经随时间流逝而趋向左转。圆形表示自陈自由派的与自陈保守派的比率。菱形则表示自陈的政党偏好或投票记录(民主党vs.共和党)的比率。1924-60年数据据McClintock 等(1965)。空心菱形是参与者对投票给谁的回忆;灰色菱形则是被调查时自陈的政党身份。1999年的数据据Rothman等(2005)。2006年的数据据Gross和 Simmons (2007)。最右边的圆形则来自Inbar和Lammers(2012),指的是自认自由派和自认保守派的社会心理学家之比。
****** 3. Three ways that the lack of diversity undermines social psychology
3. 多元性的缺乏对社会心理学造成破坏的三种方式
Might a shared moral-historical narrative [the “liberal progress” narrative described by sociologist Christian Smith] in a politically homogeneous field undermine the self-correction processes on which good science depends? We think so, and present three risk points— three ways in which political homogeneity can threaten the validity of social psychological science—and examples from the extant literature illustrating each point.
在一个政治同质化的领域内,一种共享的道德-历史叙事(社会学家Christian Smith所描绘的那种“自由进步”叙事),会破坏良好科学所赖以存在的自我纠正过程吗?我们认为会,并提出了三个风险点——政治同质性能够威胁社会心理科学有效性的三种方式,针对每一点,我们都从现存文献中提出例证来作了说明。
3.1. Risk point 1: Liberal values and assumptions can become embedded into theory and method
3.1. 风险点之一:自由派价值观和假设可能预装到理论和方法之中
The embedding of values occurs when value statements or ideological claims are wrongly treated as objective truth, and observed deviation from that truth is treated as error.
当价值陈述或意识形态主张被错误地当成客观真理对待时,或者与这一真理有出入的现象被观测到,却被当成错误对待时,价值观的预装就发生了。
[Example:] and McBride (2007) found that: 1) people high in social dominance orientation (SDO) were more likely to make unethical decisions, 2) people high in right-wing authoritarianism (RWA) were more likely to go along with the unethical decisions of leaders, and 3) dyads with high SDO leaders and high RWA followers made more unethical decisions than dyads with alternative arrangements (e.g., low SDO—low RWA dyads).
[例证:]Son Hing, Bobocel, Zanna和 McBride(2007)发现:1)社会支配倾向(SDO)高的人更可能作出不道德的决定,2)右翼权威主义(RWA)程度高的人更可能遵从领导人作出的不道德决定,以及3)高SDO的领导人与高RWA的追随者这一组合作出的不道德决定比其它形式的排列组合(如低SDO和低RWA组合)要多。
Yet consider the decisions they defined as unethical: not formally taking a female colleague’s side in her sexual harassment complaint against her subordinate (given little information about the case), and a worker placing the well-being of his or her company above unspecified harms to the environment attributed to the company’s operations. Liberal values of feminism and environmentalism were embedded directly into the operationalization of ethics, even to the extent that participants were expected to endorse those values in vignettes that lacked the information one would need to make a considered judgment.
不过,看看被他们界定为不道德的决定:在女性同事对其下属提出性骚扰投诉时不正式站在她的一边(几乎没有任何案件相关信息),工人将他或她所属公司的利益置于未明确说明的环境损害之上(这种损害被归罪于该公司的运营)。自由派的女性主义和环保主义价值取向被直接预装进了伦理概念的执行之中,甚至到了这种程度:在某个场景下缺乏信息的个体不得不做出审慎判断,仍指望参与者支持这些价值。
The appearance of certain words that imply pernicious motives (e.g., deny, legitimize, rationalize, justify, defend, trivialize) may be particularly indicative of research tainted by embedded values.
对某些特定词汇的使用,暗中指涉险恶的动机(如拒斥、合法化、合理化、正当化、维护、琐碎化等)。出现这些词汇,可能就具有特别的标志性,表明研究已被预装的价值观污染。
3.2. Risk point 2: Researchers may concentrate on topics that validate the liberal progress narrative and avoid topics that contest that narrative
3.2 风险点之二:研究者可能全神关注那些能够证实自由进步叙事的论题,避开那些对这一叙事构成质疑的论题
Since the enlightenment, scientists have thought of themselves as spreading light and pushing back the darkness. The metaphor is apt, but in a politically homogeneous field, a larger-than-optimal number of scientists shine their flashlights on ideologically important regions of the terrain. Doing so leaves many areas unexplored. Even worse, some areas become walled off, and inquisitive researchers risk ostracism if they venture in.
自启蒙运动以来,科学家们一直认为自己所做的,乃是拒绝黑暗、传播光明的事业。这个暗喻是恰当的,不过,在一个政治同质化的地界,把灯光照向境内那些在意识形态上很重要的领域的科学家数目实在是多得过分。这么做会令许多领域无人探索。更糟糕的是,有些领域还会被高墙围起来,任何求知好问的研究者胆敢冒险进入,就有被放逐的风险。
[Example:] Stereotype accuracy. Since the 1930s, social psychologists have been proclaiming the inaccuracy of social stereotypes, despite lacking evidence of such inaccuracy. Evidence has seemed unnecessary because stereotypes have been, in effect, stereotyped as inherently nasty and inaccurate (see Jussim, 2012a for a review).
[例证:]刻板印象的准确性。自1930年代起,社会心理学家一直声称,社会刻板印象是不准确的,尽管他们拿不出相关证据。此类证据一直被视为毫无必要,因为刻板印象本身事实上已经被刻板印象化了,成了一种本质上恶劣且不准确的事物(评论见Jussim, 2012a)。
Some group stereotypes are indeed hopelessly crude and untestable. But some may rest on valid empiricism—and represent subjective estimates of population characteristics (e.g. the proportion of people who drop out of high school, are victims of crime, or endorse policies that support women at work, see Jussim, 2012a, Ryan, 2002 for reviews).
某些群体刻板印象确实无可救药地生硬粗糙、不可验证。但还有一些,则可能确实建立在有效的经验主义基础之上——并体现了对于人群特征的主观估计(比如高中辍学的人口比例、罪案受害者的人口比例、支持职业女性的政策的支持者比例等,评论见Jussim, 2012a和Ryan,2002)。
In this context, it is not surprising that the rigorous empirical study of the accuracy of factual stereotypes was initiated by one of the very few self-avowed conservatives in social psychology—Clark McCauley (McCauley & Stitt, 1978). Since then, dozens of studies by independent researchers have yielded evidence that stereotype accuracy (of all sorts of stereotypes) is one of the most robust effects in all of social psychology (Jussim, 2012a).
在这种氛围中,毫不稀奇,关于有事实基础的刻板印象之准确性,最严谨的经验研究是由社会心理学领域极少见的自陈保守派之一——Clark McCauley开创的(McCauley和Stitt, 1978)。自那以后,独立研究者的数十种研究已经得出证据,在所有社会心理学成果中,(关于所有种类的刻板印象的)刻板印象准确性之说乃是最为有力的之一(Jussim, 2012a)。
Here is a clear example of the value of political diversity: a conservative social psychologist asked a question nobody else thought (or dared) to ask, and found results that continue to make many social psychologists uncomfortable. McCauley’s willingness to put the assumption of stereotype inaccuracy to an empirical test led to the correction of one of social psychology’s most longstanding errors.
这是政治多元性之价值的清楚一例:一个保守派社会心理学家追问了一个别人都没想过(或敢于)去问的问题,并得出了一个让许多社会心理学家现在仍一直感到不舒服的结论。McCauley决心对刻板印象不准确这一假设进行经验验证,这就导致了对于社会心理学中最长寿错误之一的纠正。
3.3. Risk point 3: Negative attitudes regarding conservatives can produce a psychological science that mischaracterizes their traits and attributes
3.3 风险点之三:对于保守派的负面看法可能导致心理科学错误地描绘保守派的特征和性质
A long-standing view in social-political psychology is that the right is more dogmatic and intolerant of ambiguity than the left, a view Tetlock (1983) dubbed the rigidity-of-the-right hypothesis…. But had social psychologists studied a broad enough range of situations to justify these broad conclusions? Recent evidence suggests not.
社会—政治心理学中存在已久的一个看法是,右派比左派更为教条,更不能容忍模棱两可。Tetlock(1983)将这种看法叫作“右派的死板”假说……但是,社会心理学家为了证明这种一般性的结论,是否研究过范围足够广泛的情形?近来的证据显示:并非如此。
The ideologically objectionable premise model (IOPM; Crawford, 2012) posits that people on the political left and right are equally likely to approach political judgments with their ideological blinders on. That said, they will only do so when the premise of a political judgment is ideologically acceptable. If it’s objectionable, any preferences for one group over another will be short-circuited, and biases won’t emerge.
据“意识形态争议性前提模型”(IOPM; Crawford, 2012)推断,政治上的左派和右派戴着意识形态眼罩形成政治判断的可能性是一样大的。当然,这只会发生于政治判断的前提在意识形态上可以接受的情况下。如果这一前提是可争议的,那么偏好其中任意一个群体都会引起直接短路,偏见就不会出现。
The IOPM thus allows for biases to emerge only among liberals, only among conservatives, or among both liberals and conservatives, depending on the situation. For example, reinterpreting Altemeyer’s mandatory school prayer results, Crawford (2012) argued that for people low in RWA who value individual freedom and autonomy, mandatory school prayer is objectionable; thus, the very nature of the judgment should shut off any biases in favor of one target over the other.
由此,随着情况的不同,IOPM模型可让偏见仅出现于自由派中,或仅出现于保守派中,或同时出现于自由派和保守派中。比如,Crawford(2012)在重新解释Altemeyer的强制性学校祷告数据时论证到,对于右翼权威主义(RWA)程度低、看重个体自由与自主的人,强制性学校祷告是可争议的;因此,这一判断的性质本身会将任何重此轻彼的偏见排斥在外。
However, for people high in RWA who value society-wide conformity to traditional morals and values, mandating school prayer is acceptable; this acceptable premise then allows for people high in RWA to express a bias in favor of Christian over Muslim school prayer.
然而,对于RWA程度高、看重全社会对传统道德和价值观的遵从的人,强制性学校祷告是可以接受的;于是,这种可接受的前提就会让RWA程度高的人表达出重基督教校园祈祷者、轻穆斯林校园祈祷者的偏见。
Crawford (2012, Study 1) replaced mandatory prayer with voluntary prayer, which would be acceptable to both people high and low in RWA. In line with the IOPM, people high in RWA were still biased in favor of Christian over Muslim prayer, while people low in RWA now showed a bias in favor of Muslim over Christian voluntary prayer. Hypocrisy is therefore not necessarily a special province of the right.
Crawford(2012,研究1)用自愿祈祷者代替强制祈祷者,于是前提变成了对于RWA程度高和低的两种人都可以接受。与IOPM模型预测一致,RWA程度高的人仍然存在重基督教祈祷者、轻穆斯林祈祷者的偏见,与此同时,RWA程度低的人现在表现出重穆斯林自愿祈祷者、轻基督教自愿祈祷者的偏见。因此,虚伪矫饰可不一定是右派的特殊地盘。
These example illustrate the threats to truth-seeking that emerge when members of a politically homogenous intellectual community are motivated to cast their perceived outgroup (i.e., the ones who violate the liberal progressive narrative) in a negative light. If there were more social psychologists who were motivated to question the design and interpretation of studies biased towards liberal values during peer review, or if there were more researchers running their own studies using different methods, social psychologists could be more confident in the validity of their characterizations of conservatives (and liberals).
这些例子说明,当一个政治同质化的知识群体的成员被鼓励用一种负面灯光去映照他们所理解的圈外人士(比如,冒犯自由进步叙事的人)时,追求真理的事业会受到何种威胁。如果在同行评审中,能有更多的社会心理学家被鼓励去质疑那些偏向自由派价值观的研究的设计和解释,如果能有更多的研究者采用不同的方法来进行他们自己的研究,社会心理学家就能对他们关于保守派(和自由派)的描绘的可信度拥有更多自信。
****** 4. Why political diversity is likely to improve social psychological science
4. 为什么政治多元性有可能改进社会心理科学
Diversity can be operationalized in many ways, including demographic diversity (e.g., ethnicity, race, and gender) and viewpoint diversity (e.g., variation in intellectual viewpoints or professional expertise).
将多元性这一概念变得可操作的方式很多,包括人口学多元化(如族群、种族和性别)和视角多元化(比如各种不同的知识视角或专业技能)。
Research in organizational psychology suggest that: a) the benefits of viewpoint diversity are more consistent and pronounced than those of demographic diversity (Menz, 2012; Williams & O’Reilly, 1998); and
组织心理学研究表明:a)视角多元化比人口学多元化的益处更为一贯、更为显著(Menz, 2012; Williams & O’Reilly, 1998);又
b) the benefits of viewpoint diversity are most pronounced when organizations are pursuing open-ended exploratory goals (e.g., scientific discovery) as opposed to exploitative goals (e.g., applying well-established routines to well-defined problems; Cannella, Park & Hu, 2008).
b)与追求利用性目标(比如,在界定明确的问题上执行已良好确立的例行程序)的组织相比,在追求开放式的探索性目标(比如,科学发现)的组织中,视角多元化的益处最为显著(Cannella, Park & Hu, 2008)。
Viewpoint diversity may therefore be more valuable than demographic diversity if social psychology’s core goal is to produce broadly valid and generalizable conclusions. (Of course, demographic diversity can bring viewpoint diversity, but if it is viewpoint diversity that is wanted, then it may be more effective to pursue it directly.)
因此,如果社会心理学的核心目标在于得出广泛有效且可以一般化的结论,那么视角多元性似乎比人口学多元性更有价值。(当然,人口学多元性能带来视角多元性,但如果我们需要的正是视角多元性,那么直接追求它可能更为有效。)
It is the lack of political viewpoint diversity that makes social psychology vulnerable to the three risks described in the previous section. Political diversity is likely to have a variety of positive effects by reducing the impact of two familiar mechanisms that we explore below: confirmation bias and groupthink/majority consensus.
正是政治视角多元性的缺乏,才使得社会心理学在前一部分描述的三大风险面前显得很脆弱。通过削弱我们下面将讨论的两个我们熟知的机制的影响,政治多元性很可能具有多种多样的积极功效:确认偏误和群体思维/多数一致。
4.1. Confirmation bias
4.1 确认偏误
People tend to search for evidence that will confirm their existing beliefs while also ignoring or downplaying disconfirming evidence. This confirmation bias (Nickerson, 1998) is widespread among both laypeople and scientists (Ioannidis, 2012). Confirmation bias can become even stronger when people confront questions that trigger moral emotions and concerns about group identity (Haidt, 2001; 2012).
人们更喜欢为他们已有的信念搜罗证据,同时无视或轻视与既有信念抵触的证据。这种确认偏误(Nickerson, 1998)在外行和科学家中都很常见(Ioannidis, 2012)。当人们面对的问题还能够引发对于群体认同的道德情绪和关怀时,确认偏误可能会变得更为强烈(Haidt, 2001; 2012)。
Further, group-polarization often exacerbates extremism in echo chambers (Lamm & Myers, 1978). [and note from the graph above that social psychology has become an echo chamber since the 1990s]
此外,群体的极化通常还会在回音室中加剧极端主义(Lamm & Myers, 1978)。[并且注意,前面的图表已经显示,社会心理学自1990年代起已经变成了一个回音室]。
Indeed, people are far better at identifying the flaws in other people’s evidence-gathering than in their own, especially if those other people have dissimilar beliefs (e.g., Mercier & Sperber, 2011; Sperber et al., 2010).
实在来说,人们在别人的证据搜集过程中找出错误,可比针对自己时要得心应手得多,特别是当别人具有不同的信念时(如见Mercier & Sperber, 2011; Sperber等, 2010)。
Although such processes may be beneficial for communities whose goal is social cohesion (e.g., a religious or activist movement), they can be devastating for scientific communities by leading to widely-accepted claims that reflect the scientific community’s blind spots more than they reflect justified scientific conclusions (see, e.g., the three risk points discussed previously).
对于目标在于社会团结的共同体(如一个宗教运动或激进运动)来说,这类事情也许是有益的,但是对于科学共同体来说,这将是毁灭性的。因为它们将会导致一些被广泛接受的论断产生,而这些论断更多反映的是科学共同体的盲点,而非科学上得到证明的结论(如见前文所论的三个风险点)。
The most obvious cure for this problem is to increase the viewpoint diversity of the field. Nobody has found a way to eradicate confirmation bias in individuals (Lilienfeld et al., 2009), but we can diversify the field to the point where individual viewpoint biases begin to cancel each other out.
对于这个问题,最显而易见的疗法就是增加该领域的视角多元性。从来没有人找到过在个体身上根除确认偏误的办法(Lilienfeld等, 2009),但我们可以不断增加一个领域的多元性,直到个体的视角偏见开始相互抵消。
4.2. Minority influence
4.2 众从
Minority influence research has focused on the processes by which minorities influence majority members’ (and thus the groups’) reasoning (e.g., Crano, 2012; Moscovici & Personnaz, 1980). Majorities influence decision-making by producing conformity pressure that creates cohesion and community, but they do little to enhance judgmental depth or quality (Crisp & Turner, 2011; Moscovici & Personnaz, 1980). They also risk creating the type of groupthink that has long been a target of criticism by social psychologists (e.g., Fiske, Harris, & Cuddy, 2004; Janis, 1972)….
众从研究聚焦于一种过程:少数派影响多数成员(进而是整个群体)的论证(如见Crano, 2012; Moscovici & Personnaz, 1980)。多数派通过制造顺从压力影响决策,而这种压力能够创造凝聚力和共同体,但无益于提高决断的深度或质量(Crisp & Turner, 2011; Moscovici & Personnaz, 1980)。他们也导致群体思维的风险,而这被社会心理学家诟病已久(如见Fiske, Harris, & Cuddy, 2004; Janis, 1972)……
There is even evidence that politically diverse teams produce more creative solutions than do politically homogeneous teams on problems such as “how can a person of average talent achieve fame” and how to find funding for a partially-built church ineligible for bank loans (Triandis, Hall, & Ewen, 1965)….
甚至有证据表明,即使是在“某个资质平平的人如何成名”以及怎样为一个烂尾的教堂筹集资金,取得银行贷款这样的问题上,政治上多元的团队也比政治同质的团队更能找到创造性的解决方案。
In sum, there are grounds for hypothesizing that increased political diversity would improve the quality of social psychological science because it would increase the degree of scientific dissent, especially, on such politicized issues as inequality versus equity, the psychological characteristics of liberals and conservatives, stereotypes, prejudice, and discrimination. Social psychologists have shown these effects in many settings; they could take advantage of them within their own ranks.
总之,政治多元性的增加有助于改善社会心理科学的质量,这一假设是有理有据的,因为它会增加科学分歧的程度。当我们面对的是诸如不平等与平等、自由派和保守派的心理特征、刻板印象、偏见和歧视等等政治化的议题时,情况尤其如此。社会心理学家已经针对许多场合说明过此类效应;他们可以在自己的队伍中好好对其加以利用。
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5. Why are there so few non-liberals in social psychology?
5. 为什么非自由派在社会心理学中难得一见?

the evidence does not point to a single answer. To understand why conservatives are so vastly underrepresented in social psychology, we consider five explanations that have frequently been offered to account for a lack of diversity not just in social psychology, but in other contexts (e.g., the underrepresentation of women and ethnic minorities in STEM fields, e.g., Pinker, 2008).

证据表明,答案不止一个。为了理解为什么保守派在社会心理学中的人数如此不足,我们考虑了五种解释,这五种解释不仅在说明社会心理学中多元性的缺乏时,而且在其它学术文章中也经常被人提到(如在STEM领域内妇女和少数族裔的缺乏,如见Pinker, 2008)【译注:STEM为科学、技术、工程和数学四个学科的英文首字母缩写】。

5.1. Differences in ability
5.1. 能力差异

[Are conservatives simply less intelligent than liberals, and less able to obtain PhDs and faculty positions?] The evidence does not support this view… [published studies are mixed. Part of the complexity is that…] Social conservatism correlates with lower cognitive ability test scores, but economic conservatism correlates with higher scores (Iyer, Koleva, Graham, Ditto, & Haidt, 2012; Kemmelmeier 2008). [Libertarians are the political group with the highest IQ, yet they are underrepresented in the social sciences other than economics]

[难道保守派就是没有自由派那么聪明,取得博士学位和教职岗位的能力要差些?]证据不支持这种观点……[已有的研究形形色色。情况的复杂性部分体现在……]社会保守派与认知能力测试得分较低存在相关性,不过经济保守派则与得分较高存在相关性(Iyer, Koleva, Graham, Ditto, & Haidt, 2012; Kemmelmeier 2008)[自由意志主义者是IQ最高的政治团体,但他们在除经济学以外的所有社会科学中人数均不足]

5.2. The effects of education on political ideology
5.2. 政治意识形态教育的影响

Many may view education as “enlightening” and believe that an enlightened view comports with liberal politics. There is little evidence that education causes students to become more liberal. Instead, several longitudinal studies following tens of thousands of college students for many years have concluded that political socialization in college occurs primarily as a function of one’s peers, not education per se (Astin, 1993; Dey, 1997).

许多人可能将教育视为“启蒙”,并相信经过启蒙的观念会与自由派政治一致。鲜有证据表明教育会使得学生更为趋向自由派。几项对数万名大学生的多年追踪研究倒是得出结论认为,大学里的政治社会化过程【译注:指个体形塑政治态度的过程】主要取决于一个人的同伴,而非教育本身(Astin, 1993; Dey, 1997)。

5.3. Differences in interest
5.3. 兴趣差异

Might liberals simply find a career in social psychology (or the academy more broadly) more appealing? Yes, for several reasons. The Big-5 trait that correlates most strongly with political liberalism is openness to experience (r = .32 in Jost, Glaser, Kruglanski, & Sulloways’s 2003 meta-analysis), and people high in that trait are more likely to pursue careers that will let them indulge their curiosity and desire to learn, such as a career in the academy (McCrae, 1996). An academic career requires a Ph.D., and liberals enter (and graduate) college more interested in pursuing Ph.D.s than do conservatives (Woessner & Kelly-Woessner, 2009)…

有没有可能就是因为自由派觉得社会心理学(或更广泛而言,整个学术界)这种职业更有吸引力?有可能,理由有多个。与政治自由主义相关性最强的“五大”人格特点【译注:五大人格特点,指心理学上描述人格特征时常用的五维度模型,分别为外倾性、经验开放性、随和性、神经质和尽责性】就是“经验开放性”(在Jost, Glaser, Kruglanski和 Sulloways 2003年所做的meta分析中,r=0.32),而在这一特点上得分高的人更有可能从事能让他们的好奇心和求知欲得到满足的职业,比如学术事业(McCrae, 1996)。从事学术事业要求博士学位,而入读大学(和从大学毕业)的自由派比保守派更有兴趣谋求博士学位(Woessner & Kelly-Woessner, 2009)……

Such intrinsic variations in interest may be amplified by a “birds of a feather” or “homophile” effect. “Similarity attracts” is one of the most well-established findings in social psychology (Byrne, 1969). As a field begins to lean a certain way, the field will likely become increasingly attractive to people suited to that leaning.

这种兴趣上的内在差异有可能通过“物以类聚”或“同性相爱”效应而得到放大。“同类相吸”是社会心理学中理据最为坚实的成果之一(Byrne, 1969)。随着某个领域开始向一个特定方向倾斜,那么对于适应这种倾斜的人,这个领域就很可能会变得越来越具有吸引力。

Over time the group itself may become characterized by its group members. Professors and scientists may come to be seen as liberal just as nurses are typically thought of as being female. Once that happens, conservatives may disproportionately self-select out of joining the dissimilar group, based on a realistic perception that they “do not fit well.” [See Gross (2013)]…

长此以往,群体本身就被其成员特征化了。教授和科学家可能会逐渐被视为自由派,就像护士经常被理解成为女性一样。一旦如此,保守派就可能自我选择不参加这种异己群体,因为他们有一种现实的认知:他们“合不来”(见Gross , 2013)……

Self-selection clearly plays a role. But it would be ironic if an epistemic community resonated to empirical arguments that appear to exonerate the community of prejudice—when that same community roundly rejects those same arguments when invoked by other institutions to explain the under-representation of women or ethnic minorities (e.g., in STEM disciplines or other elite professions). [Note: we agree that self-selection is a big part of the explanation. If there were no discrimination and no hostile climate, the field would still lean left, as it used to. But it would still have some diversity, and would work much better.]

自我选择很明显起了作用。但是,这种经验论证似乎是在为共同体的歧视行为洗白,如果一个知识共同体与之产生共鸣,这会太讽刺——而且,正是这同一个共同体,在其它机构使用同一论证来解释女性或少数族裔代表性不足的问题时(如在STEM学科或其它精英行业中),对自我选择解释表示了严厉的拒斥。[注意:我们同意,自我选择在原因中占了很大比例。如果不存在歧视、不存在敌对的气氛,这个领域仍然会左倾,正如它在1990年代之前那样。但是它仍会有某种程度的多元性,并会运作得好得多。]

5.4. Hostile climate
5.4. 敌对气氛

Might self-selection be amplified by an accurate perception among conservative students that they are not welcome in the social psychology community? Consider the narrative of conservatives that can be formed from some recent conclusions in social psychological research: compared to liberals, conservatives are less intelligent (Hodson & Busseri, 2012) and less cognitively complex (Jost et al., 2003). They are more rigid, dogmatic, and inflexible (Jost et al., 2003). Their lower IQ explains their racism and sexism (Deary, Batty, & Gale, 2008), and their endorsement of inequality explains why they are happier than liberals (Napier & Jost, 2008).

自我选择有没有可能因为保守派学生的一种正确认知——他们得不到社会心理学共同体的欢迎——而被放大?考虑一下我们能从最近的一些社会心理学研究结论中得出的关于保守派的叙述:比起自由派,保守派没那么聪明(Hodson & Busseri, 2012),认知复杂度没那么高(Jost等, 2003)。他们更死板、更教条、更不懂变通(Jost等, 2003)。他们IQ低,所以他们有种族主义和性别歧视(Deary, Batty, & Gale, 2008),他们对不平等的支持正是他们之所以比自由派更快乐的理由(Napier & Jost, 2008)。

As conservative undergraduates encounter the research literature in their social psychology classes, might they recognize cues that the field regards them and their beliefs as defective? And what happens if they do attend graduate school and take part in conferences, classes, and social events in which almost everyone else is liberal?

当保守派本科生在他们的社会心理学课堂上接触到研究文献时,他们是否可能认出这种信号,猜到这个领域认为他们以及他们的信念存在缺陷?如果他们确实念上了研究生,那么当他们参会、上课、参加社会活动时,发现参与者几乎个个都是自由派,这时会发生什么?

We ourselves have often heard jokes and disparaging comments made by social psychologists about conservatives, not just in informal settings but even from the podium at conferences and lectures. The few conservatives who have enrolled in graduate programs hear these comments too, and some of them wrote to Haidt in the months after his 2011 remarks at the SPSP convention to describe the hostility and ridicule that force them to stay “in the closet” about their political beliefs—or to leave the field entirely.

我们自己就经常听到社会心理学家关于保守派的种种笑话和鄙夷的评论,这不仅出现于非正式场合,而且也出现在会议和讲座的讲台上。注册参加了研究生项目的几个罕见的保守派学生,也听到了这些评论,其中一些在听了Haidt在人格与社会心理学学会2011年年会上所发评论后的几个月里还曾给他写信。他们在信中描写到,敌对和嘲弄迫使他们将自己的政治信念藏在“深柜”——或干脆离开这个领域。

Haidt (2011) put excerpts from these emails online (in anonymous form); representative of them is this one from a former graduate student in a top 10 Ph.D. program:

Haidt(2011)在网上贴出了这些邮件的摘录(以匿名形式);其中一封的作者曾是排名前十的博士项目的研究生,很具有代表性:

I can’t begin to tell you how difficult it was for me in graduate school because I am not a liberal Democrat. As one example, following Bush’s defeat of Kerry, one of my professors would email me every time a soldier’s death in Iraq made the headlines; he would call me out, publicly blaming me for not supporting Kerry in the election.

要向你描述我在研究生院时因为不是自由派民主党而过得有多么艰难,我都没法开始。举个例子吧,布什打败克里之后,每逢有驻伊士兵死亡事件上头条,有位教授就会给我发邮件;他会指名道姓的公开指责我没在选举中支持克里。

I was a reasonably successful graduate student, but the political ecology became too uncomfortable for me. Instead of seeking the professorship that I once worked toward, I am now leaving academia for a job in industry.

作为一个研究生,我相当成功,但政治生态变得令我非常不舒服。我没有去谋求我曾为之奋斗的教授职位,而是离开学术圈,现在在实业部门工作。

Evidence of hostile climate is not just anecdotal. Inbar and Lammers (2012) asked members of the SPSP discussion list: “Do you feel that there is a hostile climate towards your political beliefs in your field?”

敌对气氛存在的证据并非只有个别逸闻。Inbar和 Lammers(2012)曾询问人格与社会心理学学会讨论组成员以下问题:“你是否觉得你所在的领域针对你的政治信念存在一种敌对气氛?”

Of 17 conservatives, 14 (82%) responded “yes” (i.e., a response at or above the midpoint of the scale, where the midpoint was labeled “somewhat” and the top point “very much”), with half of those responding “very much.”

17个保守派中,14个(即82%)回答了“是”(即回应大于等于量表的中间选项,中间选项是“有些”,最大值则是“非常”),答“是”的人中又有一半回答的是“非常”。

In contrast, only 18 of 266 liberals (7%) responded “yes”, with only two of those responding “very much.” Interestingly, 18 of 25 moderates (72%) responded “yes,” with one responding “very much.”

与此形成对比的是,266个自由派中只有18个(即7%)回答了“是”,其中只有两个答的是“非常”。有意思的是,25个温和派中有18个(即72%)回答了“是”,1个答“非常”。

This surprising result suggests that the hostile climate may adversely affect not only conservatives, but anyone who is not liberal or whose values do not align with the liberal progress narrative.

这一令人惊讶的结果表明,敌对气氛所产生的负面影响不仅仅是对保守派而言,而且针对所有的非自由派,或者所有价值观不能与自由进步叙事相符的人。

5.5. Discrimination
5.5 歧视

The literature on political prejudice demonstrates that strongly identified partisans show little compunction about expressing their overt hostility toward the other side (e.g., Chambers et al., 2013; Crawford & Pilanski, 2013; Haidt, 2012). Partisans routinely believe that their hostility towards opposing groups is justified because of the threat posed to their values by dissimilar others (see Brandt et al., 2014, for a review).

政治偏见方面的研究文献证明,认同感强烈的党徒毫不避讳公开表达对对方的敌意(如见Chambers等, 2013; Crawford & Pilanski, 2013; Haidt, 2012)。党徒们例行公事般认为他们针对对立团体的敌视态度是合理的,因为异己分子威胁到他们珍视的价值(相关评论见Brandt 等, 2014)。

Social psychologists are unlikely to be immune to such psychological processes. Indeed, ample evidence using multiple methods demonstrates that social psychologists do in fact act in discriminatory ways toward non-liberal colleagues and their research.

社会心理学家不太可能对这种心理过程免疫。事实上,基于多种方法的大量证据表明,社会心理学家确实以歧视方式对待他们的非自由派同事及其学术研究。

[Here we review experimental field research: if you change a research proposal so that its hypotheses sound conservative, but you leave the methods the same, then the manuscript is deemed less publishable, and is less likely to get IRB approval]

[我们这里来回顾一下实验性的实地研究:如果改动一下你的研究计划,使其假设看起来像个保守派假设,但研究方法保持不变,那么这个稿子发表的可能性在人们眼里就会降低,得到伦理委员会认可的可能性也会降低]

Inbar and Lammers (2012) found that most social psychologists who responded to their survey were willing to explicitly state that they would discriminate against conservatives. Their survey posed the question: “If two job candidates (with equal qualifications) were to apply for an opening in your department, and you knew that one was politically quite conservative, do you think you would be inclined to vote for the more liberal one?”

Inbar和Lammers(2012)发现,绝大多数接受调查的社会心理学家都愿意明白无误地表明,他们会歧视保守派。他们在调查中提出这样一个问题:“两个求职者(条件相同)申请你所在院系的空缺,你要是知道其中一个政治上特别保守,你觉得你会倾向于投票赞成更自由派的那个吗?”

Of the 237 liberals, only 42 (18%) chose the lowest scale point, “not at all.” In other words, 82% admitted that they would be at least a little bit prejudiced against a conservative candidate, and 43% chose the midpoint (“somewhat”) or above. In contrast, the majority of moderates (67%) and conservatives (83%) chose the lowest scale point (“not at all”)….

在237个自由派中,仅有42个(即18%)选择了量表上的最低值,“绝不会”。换句话说,82%的人承认他们至少会对保守派求职者有一点点歧视,43%选择了中间值(“有些”)及以上。与此形成对比的是,多数温和派(67%)和保守派(83%)选择了最低值(“绝不”)……

Conservative graduate students and assistant professors are behaving rationally when they keep their political identities hidden, and when they avoid voicing the dissenting opinions that could be of such great benefit to the field. Moderate and libertarian students may be suffering the same fate.

当保守派研究生和助理教授隐瞒他们政治派别时,他们是在依理性行事,然而如果他们缄默不言,那却将是这个领域的巨大损失。温和派和自由意志主义的学生或许也正在遭受同一命运。

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6. Recommendations
6. 建议

[Please see the longer discussion of recommended steps on our “Solutions” page. In the BBS paper we offer a variety of specific recommendations for what can be done to ameliorate the problem. These are divided into three sections]

[建议措施的更长讨论,见我们的“方案”页面。在发表于《行为与脑科学》的文章中,我们提供了多种具体可行建议,以改进这一问题。建议分为三部分]

6.1. Organizational responses
6.1. 组织方面的回应

[We looked at the list of policy steps that the American Psychological Association recommended for itself to improve diversity with regard to race, gender, and sexual orientation. Many of them work well for increasing political diversity, e.g.,:]

[我们查看了美国心理学会为增加自身的种族、性别和性取向多元性而建议的系列政策措施。其中许多同样可以有效的增加政治多元性,如……]
•Formulate and adopt an anti-discrimination policy resolution.
•制定并采纳一项反歧视政策决议。
•Implement a “climate study” regarding members’ experiences, comfort/discomfort, and positive/negative attitudes/opinions/policies affecting or about members of politically diverse groups.
•实施一项“气氛研究”,研究对象是其成员的经历,包括舒适的/不适的,以及他们持有的、会影响政治多样化的不同团体(或与他们有关)的积极/消极的态度/观点/政策
•Each organization should develop strategies to encourage and support research training programs and research conferences to attract, retain, and graduate conservative and other non-liberal doctoral students and early career professionals.
•每一个组织都应该形成各种策略,鼓励和支持研究训练项目和研究会议去吸引、留住或毕业送走保守派及其他非自由派博士研究生和新入行的业内人士。

6.2. Professorial responses
6.2. 教授方面的回应

There are many steps that social psychologists who are also college professors can take to encourage non-liberal students to join the field, or to “come out of the closet”: 1) Raise consciousness [acknowledge publicly that we have problem]; 2) Welcome feedback from non-liberals. 3) Expand diversity statements. [i.e., add “political diversity” to any list of kinds of diversity being encouraged].

同时身为大学教授的社会心理学家,可以采用多个措施来鼓励非自由派学生加入这个领域,或者“出柜”:1)提高意识[公开承认我们有问题];2)欢迎非自由派的反馈。3)扩充有关多元性的声明。[即在任何形式的多元性鼓励列表中加入“政治多元性”]。

6.3. Changes to research practices
6.3. 改变研究做法

1.Be alert to double standards. 2. Support adversarial collaborations.  3. Improve research norms to increase the degree to which a research field becomes self-correcting.

1.警惕双重标准。2. 支持对抗性合作。3. 改进研究规范,以增加研究领域趋向自我纠正的程度。

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7. Conclusion
7. 结论

Others have sounded this alarm before (e.g., MacCoun, 1998; Redding, 2001; Tetlock, 1994)… No changes were made in response to the previous alarms, but we believe that this time may be different. Social psychologists are in deep and productive discussions about how to address multiple threats to the integrity of their research and publication process. This may be a golden opportunity for the field to take seriously the threats caused by political homogeneity.

早已有人敲响过这一警钟(如MacCoun, 1998; Redding, 2001; Tetlock, 1994)……对于之前的警钟却无人回应,不过我们相信这次可能有点不同。关于如何应对他们的研究和出版程序之健全性所面临的诸多威胁的问题,社会心理学家目前正在进行深入且卓有成效的讨论。现在也许就是严肃对待政治同质化所导致危机的黄金时期。

We have focused on social (and personality) psychology, but the problems we describe occur in other areas of psychology (Redding, 2001), as well as in other social sciences (Gross, 2013; Redding, 2013).

我们的焦点是社会(及人格)心理学,但我们所描述的问题也发生于心理学的其它领域(Redding, 2001),以及其它社会科学领域(Gross, 2013; Redding, 2013)。

Fortunately, psychology is uniquely well-prepared to rise to the challenge. The five core values of APA include “continual pursuit of excellence; knowledge and its application based upon methods of science; outstanding service to its members and to society; social justice, diversity and inclusion; ethical action in all that we do.” (APA, 2009).

幸运地是,心理学是唯一有准备来应对之个挑战的领域。美国心理学会的五大核心价值包括“不断追求卓越;基于科学方法的知识及其应用;对成员和社会的出色服务;社会正义、多元性和包容性;一切行动遵守伦理规范。”(APA, 2009)。

If discrimination against non-liberals exists at even half the level described in section 4 of this paper, and if this discrimination damages the quality of some psychological research, then all five core values are being betrayed.

如果针对非自由派的歧视存在,哪怕只达到本文第四部分所描述的一半水平,且如果这种歧视损害了某些心理学研究的质量,那就和五大核心价值背道而驰了。

Will psychologists tolerate and defend the status quo, or will psychology make the changes needed to realize its values and improve its science? Social psychology can and should lead the way.

心理学家会容忍并捍卫现状?还是心理学会作出必要改变,实现自己所珍视的价值,改进这一科学?社会心理学能够且应该带个好头。

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楼主,标题错了。是IDAHO。不是IOWA,新闻里有。那两个难民还朝小女孩小便。 我实在听了新闻也是无语了。

lifetobepositive 发表于 6/28/2016 9:37:19 AM

谢谢,我翻译时翻译错了,改成英文了。
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5. Why are there so few non-liberals in social psychology?
5. 为什么非自由派在社会心理学中难得一见?

the evidence does not point to a single answer. To understand why conservatives are so vastly underrepresented in social psychology, we consider five explanations that have frequently been offered to account for a lack of diversity not just in social psychology, but in other contexts (e.g., the underrepresentation of women and ethnic minorities in STEM fields, e.g., Pinker, 2008).

证据表明,答案不止一个。为了理解为什么保守派在社会心理学中的人数如此不足,我们考虑了五种解释,这五种解释不仅在说明社会心理学中多元性的缺乏时,而且在其它学术文章中也经常被人提到(如在STEM领域内妇女和少数族裔的缺乏,如见Pinker, 2008)【译注:STEM为科学、技术、工程和数学四个学科的英文首字母缩写】。

5.1. Differences in ability
5.1. 能力差异

[Are conservatives simply less intelligent than liberals, and less able to obtain PhDs and faculty positions?] The evidence does not support this view… [published studies are mixed. Part of the complexity is that…] Social conservatism correlates with lower cognitive ability test scores, but economic conservatism correlates with higher scores (Iyer, Koleva, Graham, Ditto, & Haidt, 2012; Kemmelmeier 2008). [Libertarians are the political group with the highest IQ, yet they are underrepresented in the social sciences other than economics]

[难道保守派就是没有自由派那么聪明,取得博士学位和教职岗位的能力要差些?]证据不支持这种观点……[已有的研究形形色色。情况的复杂性部分体现在……]社会保守派与认知能力测试得分较低存在相关性,不过经济保守派则与得分较高存在相关性(Iyer, Koleva, Graham, Ditto, & Haidt, 2012; Kemmelmeier 2008)[自由意志主义者是IQ最高的政治团体,但他们在除经济学以外的所有社会科学中人数均不足]

5.2. The effects of education on political ideology
5.2. 政治意识形态教育的影响

Many may view education as “enlightening” and believe that an enlightened view comports with liberal politics. There is little evidence that education causes students to become more liberal. Instead, several longitudinal studies following tens of thousands of college students for many years have concluded that political socialization in college occurs primarily as a function of one’s peers, not education per se (Astin, 1993; Dey, 1997).

许多人可能将教育视为“启蒙”,并相信经过启蒙的观念会与自由派政治一致。鲜有证据表明教育会使得学生更为趋向自由派。几项对数万名大学生的多年追踪研究倒是得出结论认为,大学里的政治社会化过程【译注:指个体形塑政治态度的过程】主要取决于一个人的同伴,而非教育本身(Astin, 1993; Dey, 1997)。

5.3. Differences in interest
5.3. 兴趣差异

Might liberals simply find a career in social psychology (or the academy more broadly) more appealing? Yes, for several reasons. The Big-5 trait that correlates most strongly with political liberalism is openness to experience (r = .32 in Jost, Glaser, Kruglanski, & Sulloways’s 2003 meta-analysis), and people high in that trait are more likely to pursue careers that will let them indulge their curiosity and desire to learn, such as a career in the academy (McCrae, 1996). An academic career requires a Ph.D., and liberals enter (and graduate) college more interested in pursuing Ph.D.s than do conservatives (Woessner & Kelly-Woessner, 2009)…

有没有可能就是因为自由派觉得社会心理学(或更广泛而言,整个学术界)这种职业更有吸引力?有可能,理由有多个。与政治自由主义相关性最强的“五大”人格特点【译注:五大人格特点,指心理学上描述人格特征时常用的五维度模型,分别为外倾性、经验开放性、随和性、神经质和尽责性】就是“经验开放性”(在Jost, Glaser, Kruglanski和 Sulloways 2003年所做的meta分析中,r=0.32),而在这一特点上得分高的人更有可能从事能让他们的好奇心和求知欲得到满足的职业,比如学术事业(McCrae, 1996)。从事学术事业要求博士学位,而入读大学(和从大学毕业)的自由派比保守派更有兴趣谋求博士学位(Woessner & Kelly-Woessner, 2009)……

Such intrinsic variations in interest may be amplified by a “birds of a feather” or “homophile” effect. “Similarity attracts” is one of the most well-established findings in social psychology (Byrne, 1969). As a field begins to lean a certain way, the field will likely become increasingly attractive to people suited to that leaning.

这种兴趣上的内在差异有可能通过“物以类聚”或“同性相爱”效应而得到放大。“同类相吸”是社会心理学中理据最为坚实的成果之一(Byrne, 1969)。随着某个领域开始向一个特定方向倾斜,那么对于适应这种倾斜的人,这个领域就很可能会变得越来越具有吸引力。

Over time the group itself may become characterized by its group members. Professors and scientists may come to be seen as liberal just as nurses are typically thought of as being female. Once that happens, conservatives may disproportionately self-select out of joining the dissimilar group, based on a realistic perception that they “do not fit well.” [See Gross (2013)]…

长此以往,群体本身就被其成员特征化了。教授和科学家可能会逐渐被视为自由派,就像护士经常被理解成为女性一样。一旦如此,保守派就可能自我选择不参加这种异己群体,因为他们有一种现实的认知:他们“合不来”(见Gross , 2013)……

Self-selection clearly plays a role. But it would be ironic if an epistemic community resonated to empirical arguments that appear to exonerate the community of prejudice—when that same community roundly rejects those same arguments when invoked by other institutions to explain the under-representation of women or ethnic minorities (e.g., in STEM disciplines or other elite professions). [Note: we agree that self-selection is a big part of the explanation. If there were no discrimination and no hostile climate, the field would still lean left, as it used to. But it would still have some diversity, and would work much better.]

自我选择很明显起了作用。但是,这种经验论证似乎是在为共同体的歧视行为洗白,如果一个知识共同体与之产生共鸣,这会太讽刺——而且,正是这同一个共同体,在其它机构使用同一论证来解释女性或少数族裔代表性不足的问题时(如在STEM学科或其它精英行业中),对自我选择解释表示了严厉的拒斥。[注意:我们同意,自我选择在原因中占了很大比例。如果不存在歧视、不存在敌对的气氛,这个领域仍然会左倾,正如它在1990年代之前那样。但是它仍会有某种程度的多元性,并会运作得好得多。]

5.4. Hostile climate
5.4. 敌对气氛

Might self-selection be amplified by an accurate perception among conservative students that they are not welcome in the social psychology community? Consider the narrative of conservatives that can be formed from some recent conclusions in social psychological research: compared to liberals, conservatives are less intelligent (Hodson & Busseri, 2012) and less cognitively complex (Jost et al., 2003). They are more rigid, dogmatic, and inflexible (Jost et al., 2003). Their lower IQ explains their racism and sexism (Deary, Batty, & Gale, 2008), and their endorsement of inequality explains why they are happier than liberals (Napier & Jost, 2008).

自我选择有没有可能因为保守派学生的一种正确认知——他们得不到社会心理学共同体的欢迎——而被放大?考虑一下我们能从最近的一些社会心理学研究结论中得出的关于保守派的叙述:比起自由派,保守派没那么聪明(Hodson & Busseri, 2012),认知复杂度没那么高(Jost等, 2003)。他们更死板、更教条、更不懂变通(Jost等, 2003)。他们IQ低,所以他们有种族主义和性别歧视(Deary, Batty, & Gale, 2008),他们对不平等的支持正是他们之所以比自由派更快乐的理由(Napier & Jost, 2008)。

As conservative undergraduates encounter the research literature in their social psychology classes, might they recognize cues that the field regards them and their beliefs as defective? And what happens if they do attend graduate school and take part in conferences, classes, and social events in which almost everyone else is liberal?

当保守派本科生在他们的社会心理学课堂上接触到研究文献时,他们是否可能认出这种信号,猜到这个领域认为他们以及他们的信念存在缺陷?如果他们确实念上了研究生,那么当他们参会、上课、参加社会活动时,发现参与者几乎个个都是自由派,这时会发生什么?

We ourselves have often heard jokes and disparaging comments made by social psychologists about conservatives, not just in informal settings but even from the podium at conferences and lectures. The few conservatives who have enrolled in graduate programs hear these comments too, and some of them wrote to Haidt in the months after his 2011 remarks at the SPSP convention to describe the hostility and ridicule that force them to stay “in the closet” about their political beliefs—or to leave the field entirely.

我们自己就经常听到社会心理学家关于保守派的种种笑话和鄙夷的评论,这不仅出现于非正式场合,而且也出现在会议和讲座的讲台上。注册参加了研究生项目的几个罕见的保守派学生,也听到了这些评论,其中一些在听了Haidt在人格与社会心理学学会2011年年会上所发评论后的几个月里还曾给他写信。他们在信中描写到,敌对和嘲弄迫使他们将自己的政治信念藏在“深柜”——或干脆离开这个领域。

Haidt (2011) put excerpts from these emails online (in anonymous form); representative of them is this one from a former graduate student in a top 10 Ph.D. program:

Haidt(2011)在网上贴出了这些邮件的摘录(以匿名形式);其中一封的作者曾是排名前十的博士项目的研究生,很具有代表性:

I can’t begin to tell you how difficult it was for me in graduate school because I am not a liberal Democrat. As one example, following Bush’s defeat of Kerry, one of my professors would email me every time a soldier’s death in Iraq made the headlines; he would call me out, publicly blaming me for not supporting Kerry in the election.

要向你描述我在研究生院时因为不是自由派民主党而过得有多么艰难,我都没法开始。举个例子吧,布什打败克里之后,每逢有驻伊士兵死亡事件上头条,有位教授就会给我发邮件;他会指名道姓的公开指责我没在选举中支持克里。

I was a reasonably successful graduate student, but the political ecology became too uncomfortable for me. Instead of seeking the professorship that I once worked toward, I am now leaving academia for a job in industry.

作为一个研究生,我相当成功,但政治生态变得令我非常不舒服。我没有去谋求我曾为之奋斗的教授职位,而是离开学术圈,现在在实业部门工作。

Evidence of hostile climate is not just anecdotal. Inbar and Lammers (2012) asked members of the SPSP discussion list: “Do you feel that there is a hostile climate towards your political beliefs in your field?”

敌对气氛存在的证据并非只有个别逸闻。Inbar和 Lammers(2012)曾询问人格与社会心理学学会讨论组成员以下问题:“你是否觉得你所在的领域针对你的政治信念存在一种敌对气氛?”

Of 17 conservatives, 14 (82%) responded “yes” (i.e., a response at or above the midpoint of the scale, where the midpoint was labeled “somewhat” and the top point “very much”), with half of those responding “very much.”

17个保守派中,14个(即82%)回答了“是”(即回应大于等于量表的中间选项,中间选项是“有些”,最大值则是“非常”),答“是”的人中又有一半回答的是“非常”。

In contrast, only 18 of 266 liberals (7%) responded “yes”, with only two of those responding “very much.” Interestingly, 18 of 25 moderates (72%) responded “yes,” with one responding “very much.”

与此形成对比的是,266个自由派中只有18个(即7%)回答了“是”,其中只有两个答的是“非常”。有意思的是,25个温和派中有18个(即72%)回答了“是”,1个答“非常”。

This surprising result suggests that the hostile climate may adversely affect not only conservatives, but anyone who is not liberal or whose values do not align with the liberal progress narrative.

这一令人惊讶的结果表明,敌对气氛所产生的负面影响不仅仅是对保守派而言,而且针对所有的非自由派,或者所有价值观不能与自由进步叙事相符的人。

5.5. Discrimination
5.5 歧视

The literature on political prejudice demonstrates that strongly identified partisans show little compunction about expressing their overt hostility toward the other side (e.g., Chambers et al., 2013; Crawford & Pilanski, 2013; Haidt, 2012). Partisans routinely believe that their hostility towards opposing groups is justified because of the threat posed to their values by dissimilar others (see Brandt et al., 2014, for a review).

政治偏见方面的研究文献证明,认同感强烈的党徒毫不避讳公开表达对对方的敌意(如见Chambers等, 2013; Crawford & Pilanski, 2013; Haidt, 2012)。党徒们例行公事般认为他们针对对立团体的敌视态度是合理的,因为异己分子威胁到他们珍视的价值(相关评论见Brandt 等, 2014)。

Social psychologists are unlikely to be immune to such psychological processes. Indeed, ample evidence using multiple methods demonstrates that social psychologists do in fact act in discriminatory ways toward non-liberal colleagues and their research.

社会心理学家不太可能对这种心理过程免疫。事实上,基于多种方法的大量证据表明,社会心理学家确实以歧视方式对待他们的非自由派同事及其学术研究。

[Here we review experimental field research: if you change a research proposal so that its hypotheses sound conservative, but you leave the methods the same, then the manuscript is deemed less publishable, and is less likely to get IRB approval]

[我们这里来回顾一下实验性的实地研究:如果改动一下你的研究计划,使其假设看起来像个保守派假设,但研究方法保持不变,那么这个稿子发表的可能性在人们眼里就会降低,得到伦理委员会认可的可能性也会降低]

Inbar and Lammers (2012) found that most social psychologists who responded to their survey were willing to explicitly state that they would discriminate against conservatives. Their survey posed the question: “If two job candidates (with equal qualifications) were to apply for an opening in your department, and you knew that one was politically quite conservative, do you think you would be inclined to vote for the more liberal one?”

Inbar和Lammers(2012)发现,绝大多数接受调查的社会心理学家都愿意明白无误地表明,他们会歧视保守派。他们在调查中提出这样一个问题:“两个求职者(条件相同)申请你所在院系的空缺,你要是知道其中一个政治上特别保守,你觉得你会倾向于投票赞成更自由派的那个吗?”

Of the 237 liberals, only 42 (18%) chose the lowest scale point, “not at all.” In other words, 82% admitted that they would be at least a little bit prejudiced against a conservative candidate, and 43% chose the midpoint (“somewhat”) or above. In contrast, the majority of moderates (67%) and conservatives (83%) chose the lowest scale point (“not at all”)….

在237个自由派中,仅有42个(即18%)选择了量表上的最低值,“绝不会”。换句话说,82%的人承认他们至少会对保守派求职者有一点点歧视,43%选择了中间值(“有些”)及以上。与此形成对比的是,多数温和派(67%)和保守派(83%)选择了最低值(“绝不”)……

Conservative graduate students and assistant professors are behaving rationally when they keep their political identities hidden, and when they avoid voicing the dissenting opinions that could be of such great benefit to the field. Moderate and libertarian students may be suffering the same fate.

当保守派研究生和助理教授隐瞒他们政治派别时,他们是在依理性行事,然而如果他们缄默不言,那却将是这个领域的巨大损失。温和派和自由意志主义的学生或许也正在遭受同一命运。

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6. Recommendations
6. 建议

[Please see the longer discussion of recommended steps on our “Solutions” page. In the BBS paper we offer a variety of specific recommendations for what can be done to ameliorate the problem. These are divided into three sections]

[建议措施的更长讨论,见我们的“方案”页面。在发表于《行为与脑科学》的文章中,我们提供了多种具体可行建议,以改进这一问题。建议分为三部分]

6.1. Organizational responses
6.1. 组织方面的回应

[We looked at the list of policy steps that the American Psychological Association recommended for itself to improve diversity with regard to race, gender, and sexual orientation. Many of them work well for increasing political diversity, e.g.,:]

[我们查看了美国心理学会为增加自身的种族、性别和性取向多元性而建议的系列政策措施。其中许多同样可以有效的增加政治多元性,如……]
•Formulate and adopt an anti-discrimination policy resolution.
•制定并采纳一项反歧视政策决议。
•Implement a “climate study” regarding members’ experiences, comfort/discomfort, and positive/negative attitudes/opinions/policies affecting or about members of politically diverse groups.
•实施一项“气氛研究”,研究对象是其成员的经历,包括舒适的/不适的,以及他们持有的、会影响政治多样化的不同团体(或与他们有关)的积极/消极的态度/观点/政策
•Each organization should develop strategies to encourage and support research training programs and research conferences to attract, retain, and graduate conservative and other non-liberal doctoral students and early career professionals.
•每一个组织都应该形成各种策略,鼓励和支持研究训练项目和研究会议去吸引、留住或毕业送走保守派及其他非自由派博士研究生和新入行的业内人士。

6.2. Professorial responses
6.2. 教授方面的回应

There are many steps that social psychologists who are also college professors can take to encourage non-liberal students to join the field, or to “come out of the closet”: 1) Raise consciousness [acknowledge publicly that we have problem]; 2) Welcome feedback from non-liberals. 3) Expand diversity statements. [i.e., add “political diversity” to any list of kinds of diversity being encouraged].

同时身为大学教授的社会心理学家,可以采用多个措施来鼓励非自由派学生加入这个领域,或者“出柜”:1)提高意识[公开承认我们有问题];2)欢迎非自由派的反馈。3)扩充有关多元性的声明。[即在任何形式的多元性鼓励列表中加入“政治多元性”]。

6.3. Changes to research practices
6.3. 改变研究做法

1.Be alert to double standards. 2. Support adversarial collaborations.  3. Improve research norms to increase the degree to which a research field becomes self-correcting.

1.警惕双重标准。2. 支持对抗性合作。3. 改进研究规范,以增加研究领域趋向自我纠正的程度。

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7. Conclusion
7. 结论

Others have sounded this alarm before (e.g., MacCoun, 1998; Redding, 2001; Tetlock, 1994)… No changes were made in response to the previous alarms, but we believe that this time may be different. Social psychologists are in deep and productive discussions about how to address multiple threats to the integrity of their research and publication process. This may be a golden opportunity for the field to take seriously the threats caused by political homogeneity.

早已有人敲响过这一警钟(如MacCoun, 1998; Redding, 2001; Tetlock, 1994)……对于之前的警钟却无人回应,不过我们相信这次可能有点不同。关于如何应对他们的研究和出版程序之健全性所面临的诸多威胁的问题,社会心理学家目前正在进行深入且卓有成效的讨论。现在也许就是严肃对待政治同质化所导致危机的黄金时期。

We have focused on social (and personality) psychology, but the problems we describe occur in other areas of psychology (Redding, 2001), as well as in other social sciences (Gross, 2013; Redding, 2013).

我们的焦点是社会(及人格)心理学,但我们所描述的问题也发生于心理学的其它领域(Redding, 2001),以及其它社会科学领域(Gross, 2013; Redding, 2013)。

Fortunately, psychology is uniquely well-prepared to rise to the challenge. The five core values of APA include “continual pursuit of excellence; knowledge and its application based upon methods of science; outstanding service to its members and to society; social justice, diversity and inclusion; ethical action in all that we do.” (APA, 2009).

幸运地是,心理学是唯一有准备来应对之个挑战的领域。美国心理学会的五大核心价值包括“不断追求卓越;基于科学方法的知识及其应用;对成员和社会的出色服务;社会正义、多元性和包容性;一切行动遵守伦理规范。”(APA, 2009)。

If discrimination against non-liberals exists at even half the level described in section 4 of this paper, and if this discrimination damages the quality of some psychological research, then all five core values are being betrayed.

如果针对非自由派的歧视存在,哪怕只达到本文第四部分所描述的一半水平,且如果这种歧视损害了某些心理学研究的质量,那就和五大核心价值背道而驰了。

Will psychologists tolerate and defend the status quo, or will psychology make the changes needed to realize its values and improve its science? Social psychology can and should lead the way.

心理学家会容忍并捍卫现状?还是心理学会作出必要改变,实现自己所珍视的价值,改进这一科学?社会心理学能够且应该带个好头。

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dingdingdddd 发表于 6/28/2016 12:29:34 PM

早上听一个广播说学术界conservative不到10%...academia也应该AA啊,按conservative和liberal来AA
芝士年糕
1406 楼
隔壁小叮咚是不是智商出问题了啊。。还是精分了?之前回帖也说希望取消AA,现在开始支持了。
那个帖子标题实在智商太低,我不想去给顶帖!敢情AA出来之前她没来美国…不知道什么是equal employment opportunity commission(EECO)

大家都别给她回帖!别把帖子顶上去。沉了才是最好的结果
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liangdoudou
1407 楼
以后大家被回那个xiaodingdong的贴了,那么弱智的贴也想得出还号称自己140,回她贴都丢份儿~
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kimy33
1408 楼
回复 1382楼cqcq的帖子

我的EX 也是,我说Killary 说自己支持LGBT 支持女权,但是又背地收那些中东国家的钱。他说,希拉里只是在“play polically" 然后说她收了钱是好事,说明那些中东国家要开始善待女性了。。。。我就果断拉黑。。。。
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liangdoudou
1409 楼
隔壁小叮咚是不是智商出问题了啊。。还是精分了?之前回帖也说希望取消AA,现在开始支持了。
那个帖子标题实在智商太低,我不想去给顶帖!感情AA出来之前她没来美国…不知道什么是equal employment opportunity commission(EECO)
芝士年糕 发表于 6/28/2016 12:54:48 PM
哈哈,咱们居然同时发了这贴,民党死忠精分的太多~
芝士年糕
1410 楼
以后大家被回那个xiaodingdong的贴了,那么弱智的贴也想得出还号称自己140,回她贴都丢份儿~
liangdoudou 发表于 6/28/2016 12:54:17 PM
智商目测不足100……AA出来之前我都没见过哪个公司or学校是光有白人的
芝士年糕
1411 楼
哈哈,咱们居然同时发了这贴,民党死忠精分的太多~

liangdoudou 发表于 6/28/2016 12:56:44 PM
以前回帖还觉得道理不辨不明,现在觉得给她回帖是拉低自己智商
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veneer
1412 楼
以后大家被回那个xiaodingdong的贴了,那么弱智的贴也想得出还号称自己140,回她贴都丢份儿~
liangdoudou 发表于 6/28/2016 12:54:17 PM
可能手抖多打了个零?
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chali1234
1413 楼
白左小札在夏威夷家周围建墙扰民被投诉。说好的无边界呢,虚伪的白左。

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/06/28/neighbors-outraged-after-facebook-ceo-zuckerburg-builds-wall-around-hawaii-property/
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ggtest
1414 楼
The 5 year old girl is classified as "underdeveloped" and "special needs" due to being born prematurely.
小女孩都被rape了,还这被这么说,左派果然一路货,为了洗白穆斯林可以不顾一切啊~
liangdoudou 发表于 6/28/2016 10:35:23 AM

给办公室的小左大妈看了,想着都是孩子的妈,应该有同理心吧,结果人家就在一个劲儿的声讨受害者爸妈,这爸妈怎么当的,这么小的小孩怎么不盯着,我孩子可是每分每秒都要在我视线中。。。orz 我知道大妈说的没错,但是她完全看不到这个news与其它不同之处。。
含笑的猫
1415 楼

给办公室的小左大妈看了,想着都是孩子的妈,应该有同理心吧,结果人家就在一个劲儿的声讨受害者爸妈,这爸妈怎么当的,这么小的小孩怎么不盯着,我孩子可是每分每秒都要在我视线中。。。orz 我知道大妈说的没错,但是她完全看不到这个news与其它不同之处。。
ggtest 发表于 6/28/2016 4:34:46 PM
看来左棍的关注角度是有问题啊!和正常人不一样。。。
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mia201
1416 楼
这个马桶怎么还不自绝于人民!

ZT: Obama Bans Single-Sex Bathrooms at National Parks

President Barack Obama’s deputies have decreed that single-sex bathrooms
will be eliminated in national parks to help make the nation’s outdoors
into a transgender-supportive environment.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/27/transgender-national-parks/

含笑的猫 发表于 6/28/2016 9:29:41 AM
What??? 这人疯了~唉。。。
含笑的猫
1417 楼
快讯:土耳其最大城市伊斯坦布尔阿塔图尔克国际机场28日晚发生两起爆炸,机场内还传出枪声。土耳其当局认为伊斯坦布尔机场的爆炸可能是自杀式袭击。至今,28人死亡,60人受伤。
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yydy
1418 楼
看来左棍的关注角度是有问题啊!和正常人不一样。。。

含笑的猫 发表于 6/28/2016 4:45:06 PM
这不是跟指责被强奸的人穿着暴露是一回事么?
唐伯虎点蚊香
1419 楼
已经上升到50人死亡了

快讯:土耳其最大城市伊斯坦布尔阿塔图尔克国际机场28日晚发生两起爆炸,机场内还传出枪声。土耳其当局认为伊斯坦布尔机场的爆炸可能是自杀式袭击。至今,28人死亡,60人受伤。

含笑的猫 发表于 6/28/2016 5:55:41 PM


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含笑的猫
1420 楼
ZT: 点评下希拉里的监狱AA吧

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/

希拉里说: Our criminal justice system is out of balance.
“Black lives matter. Everyone in this country should stand firmly behind
that. ... Since this campaign started, I've been talking about the work we
must do to address the systemic inequities that persist in education, in
economic opportunity, in our justice system. But we have to do more than
talk—we have to take action.”

大致浏览了一下希拉里的司法改革方案:

1. 严打执法过程中对黑人(她在这里明确地提出来黑人)的种族歧视,警察应该更高效和灵活执法。
2. 在收监囚犯中搞种族平衡(她指责现在的incarceration严重失衡)。
3. 减轻非暴力犯罪(尤其是毒品犯罪)的刑罚。
4. 逐步取消和禁止公司招聘时的犯罪背景调查。
5. 监狱服刑犯人可以投票选举。

黑人抓的太多了,要balance。老妖婆为了上位,什么都不顾了!不过她坚决不搬到黑人区去住!
含笑的猫
1421 楼
已经上升到50人死亡了
唐伯虎点蚊香 发表于 6/28/2016 6:19:33 PM
死亡50了!谢谢更新!
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Ocarina
1422 楼
加州大学没有AA?只听说Berkley以前号称不AA,别的学校没听说。微信群里看别人贴的数据说UC亚裔大部分都是国际学生,因为学费高,本地的名额大都留给白墨黑了
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icylava
1423 楼
大概是8进制哈哈哈

以后大家被回那个xiaodingdong的贴了,那么弱智的贴也想得出还号称自己140,回她贴都丢份儿~
liangdoudou 发表于 6/28/2016 12:54:17 PM


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icylava
1424 楼
每周一次的节奏……这个世界要被绿教给毁了

快讯:土耳其最大城市伊斯坦布尔阿塔图尔克国际机场28日晚发生两起爆炸,机场内还传出枪声。土耳其当局认为伊斯坦布尔机场的爆炸可能是自杀式袭击。至今,28人死亡,60人受伤。

含笑的猫 发表于 6/28/2016 5:55:41 PM


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yshe
1425 楼
为什么非要引进难民了。实在想不通 。 难道是收了穆斯林的钱?所以得让人进来。
唐伯虎点蚊香
1427 楼
就是的呀!

为什么非要引进难民了。实在想不通 。 难道是收了穆斯林的钱?所以得让人进来。
yshe 发表于 6/28/2016 7:18:59 PM


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含笑的猫
1428 楼
为什么非要引进难民了。实在想不通 。 难道是收了穆斯林的钱?所以得让人进来。
yshe 发表于 6/28/2016 7:18:59 PM
问问哪些支持引进穆斯林的政客们,包括希拉里、马桶、泡软等人,收了中东多少银子吧!除了钱,也是为了票仓的需要啊!
含笑的猫
1429 楼
每周一次的节奏……这个世界要被绿教给毁了
icylava 发表于 6/28/2016 7:04:13 PM
在左逼眼里,绿教是和平教,可以用爱软化的。。。
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ScottishFold
1430 楼
问问哪些支持引进穆斯林的政客们,包括希拉里、马桶、泡软等人,收了中东多少银子吧!除了钱,也是为了票仓的需要啊!

含笑的猫 发表于 6/28/2016 8:41:38 PM
他们可能背地里有什么非法交易,怕TRUMP上台很多人要进监狱才拼命阻挡。
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liangdoudou
1431 楼
为什么非要引进难民了。实在想不通 。 难道是收了穆斯林的钱?所以得让人进来。
yshe 发表于 6/28/2016 7:18:59 PM
Mohammed Bin Salman 称沙特提供了希拉里 总统竞选费的20%
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/06/saudis-funding-20-of-hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign
含笑的猫
1432 楼
他们可能背地里有什么非法交易,怕TRUMP上台很多人要进监狱才拼命阻挡。
ScottishFold 发表于 6/28/2016 8:45:30 PM
很有可能啊!不是有几个gop的建制派宁可背书希拉里嘛!而且gop在对班加西的调查报告里为希拉里掩盖了罪行,我现在担心川普会不会前路艰难啊!gop真是烂!
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lifetobepositive
1433 楼
今年民猪党让我看到了最恶没有更恶的党。
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dingdingdddd
1434 楼
学术界的左倾已到了何种程度?2016年6月29日墙外仙 [url=]减小字体[/url] / [url=]增大字体[/url]发表评论阅读评论

New Study Indicates Existence of Eight Conservative Social Psychologists
最近研究显示:保守派社会心理学家现存8位
作者:Jonathan Haidt @ 2016-1-7
译者:Marcel ZHANG(@马赫塞勒张)
校对:沈沉(@你在何地-sxy)
来源:Heterodox Academy,http://heterodoxacademy.org/2016/01/07/new-study-finds-conservative-social-psychologists/
Just how much viewpoint diversity do we have in social psychology? In 2011 nobody knew, so I asked 30 of my friends in the field to name a conservative. They came up with several names, but only one suspect admitted, under gentle interrogation, to being right of center.
社会心理学领域到底有多大的观点多样性?2011年时还没人知道,所以我询问了30个该领域的朋友,让他们举出一位保守派。结果他们提到了好几个名字,但在温和的盘问之下,只有一位嫌疑人承认了自己的政治倾向是中间偏右的。
A few months later I gave a talk at the annual convention of the Society for Personality and Social Psychology in which I pointed out the field’s political imbalance and why this was a threat to the quality of our research.
几个月后,我在人格与社会心理学协会(SPSP)年会上发言时,指出了该领域的政治失衡现象,以及为什么这种现象会对我们的研究质量造成威胁。
I asked the thousand-or-so people in the audience to declare their politics with a show of hands, and I estimated that roughly 80% self-identified as “liberal or left of center,” 2% (I counted exactly 20 hands) identified as “centrist or moderate,” 1% (12 hands) identified as libertarian, and, rounding to the nearest integer, zero percent (3 hands) identified as “conservative or right of center.” That gives us a left: right ratio of 266 to one. I didn’t think the real ratio was that high; I knew that some conservatives in the audience were probably afraid to raise their hands.
我要求在场的约一千名听众举手表明自己的政治倾向,估计大略有80%的人认为自己是“自由派或者中间偏左派”,有2%(我数下来不多不少20个人)认为自己是“中立派或者温和派”,只有1%(12个人)自认自由意志主义者,如果直接取整的话,几乎0%(3个人)自认“保守派或者中间偏右派”。我们看到的是一个266:1的左右派比值。我不认为真实的比值会如此之高,我知道当时听众席里有些保守派可能会怯于举手。
Some of my colleagues questioned the validity of such a simple and public method, but Yoel Inbar and Yoris Lammers conducted a more thorough and anonymous survey of the SPSP email list later that year, and they too found a very lopsided political ratio: 85% of the 291 respondents self-identified as liberal overall, and only 6% identified as conservative.
有些同事对我这种简易公开方式的有效性提出了质疑。但是,同年晚些时候,Yoel Inbar 和 Yoris Lammers在该协会邮件组中进行了一场更加彻底的匿名调查,结果他们也发现了一边倒的政见比值:总共291个调查对象中,有85%认为自己基本可以算作自由派,而只有6%的调查对象认为自己是保守派。
That gives us our first good estimate of the left-right ratio in social psychology: fourteen to one. It’s a much more valid method than my “show of hands” (which was intended as a rhetorical device, not a real study). But still, we need more data, and we need to try more ways of asking the questions.
这就给我们提供了社会心理学界中左右派比值的第一份合理估计:14:1。这就比我之前的“举手”办法要可靠多了(当时我只是为了表明观点,并非真正的学术研究)。但是话说回来,我们还是需要更多的数据,而且需要尝试更多的调查途径。
A new data set has come in. Bill von Hippel and David Buss surveyed the membership of the Society for Experimental Social Psychology. That’s a professional society composed of the most active researchers in the field who are at least five years post-PhD. It’s very selective – you must be nominated by a current member and approved by a committee before you can join.
现在我们有了一组新数据。Bill von Hippel和David Buss调查了实验社会心理学会(SESP)的全体会员。这是个由该领域最活跃的研究者组成的专业协会,全体成员都至少已博士毕业5年。他们都是经过精挑细选的,入会必须获得会员提名且通过一个委员会的批准。
Von Hippel and Buss sent a web survey to the 900 members of SESP and got a response rate of 37% (335 responses). So this is a good sample of the mid-level and senior people (average age 51) who produce most of the research in social psychology.
Von Hippel和Buss向该学会的900名会员发送了网上调查问卷,回应率为37%(共335个回应者)。所以,对于在社会心理学领域贡献了绝大部分研究的中高级人员(平均年龄51岁)而言,这是一个很不错的样本。
Von Hippel and Buss were surveying the members’ views about evolution, to try to understand the reasons why many social psychologists distrust or dislike evolutionary psychology. At the end of the survey, they happened to include a very good set of measures of political identity. Not just self-descriptions, but also whom the person voted for in the 2012 US Presidential election. And they asked nine questions about politically valenced policy questions, such as “Do you support gun control?” “Do you support gay marriage?” and “Do you support a woman’s right to get an abortion?”
Von Hippel和Buss的问卷要调查的是会员们对进化问题的观点,试图了解许多社会心理学家怀疑或厌恶进化心理学的原因。在问卷最后一部分,他们碰巧设置了一组很棒的政治认同鉴别方法。不仅仅包括自我描述,而且还问到了他们在2012年美国大选中的投票对象。此外他们还提出了9个已成为政治心理价(valence)的政策问题【编注:心理价(valence)是指那些会恒常的引发正面或负面情绪的东西、事情或特征】,比如“你是否支持枪支管制”,“你是否支持同性婚姻”和“你是否支持妇女堕胎权”等等。
In a demonstration of the new openness and transparency that is spreading in social psychology, Von Hippel and Buss sent their raw data file and a summary report to all the members of SESP, to thank us for our participation in the survey. They noted that their preliminary analysis showed a massive leftward tilt in the field – only four had voted for Romney.
Von Hippel和Buss体现了新近在社会心理学界蔚然成风的公开透明精神,将他们的原始数据文件和总结报告发送给了SESP的全体会员,以感谢我们在这场调查研究中的积极参与。他们指出,他们的初步分析显示出了该领域严重左倾的现象——只有四个人曾给罗姆尼投过票。
I then emailed them and asked if I could write up further analyses of the political questions and post them at Heterodox Academy. They generously said yes, and then went ahead and made all the relevant files available to the world at the Open Science Framework (you can download them all here).
而后我通过电邮联系了他们,问我能不能就这些政治问题写个深度分析并发到异端学院(Heterodox Academy)网站上。他们很大方地同意了,紧接着就把相关文件发到开放科学框架网(Open Science Framework)上并开放了下载(你们可以在这个网站下载全部资料https://osf.io/ebvtq/)。
So here are the results, on the political distribution only. (Von Hippel and Buss will publish a very interesting paper on their main findings about evolution and morality in a few months). There are three ways we can graph the data, based on three ways that participants revealed their political orientation.
下面就是仅涉及政见分布问题的成果了。(Von Hippel和Buss将会在几个月后发表一篇非常有意思的论文,主题是他们在进化和道德方面的主要发现。)依照参与者透露他们政治倾向的三种途径,我们也可以通过三种方式来将数据图表化。
1)Self-descriptions of political identity: 36 to one.
1)自我描述的政治认同:36:1。
One item asked “Where would you put yourself on a continuum from liberal to conservative?” The 11 scale points were labeled “very liberal” on the left-most point and “very conservative” on the right-most point. If we do a simple frequency plot (a graph of how many people chose each of the 11 possible responses) we get the following:
有一道题问到:“在自由派和保守派之间这个连续区间内,你会将自己定位于何处?”在这11个选项中,最左端的那个被标为“极端自由派”,最右端则为“极端保守派”。如果我们绘制一个频率分布直方图(一个体现11个选项对应人数的图表),则得下图:
<img src="[url=https://www.letscorp.net/lynn/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/006aIDRtgw1f4b5rgd32mj30qq0lfdif.jpg"]https://www.letscorp.net/lynn/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/006aIDRtgw1f4b5rgd32mj30qq0lfdif.jpg" alt="006aIDRtgw1f4b5rgd32mj30qq0lfdif" width="962" height="771" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-106808" srcset="https://www.letscorp.net/lynn/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/006aIDRtgw1f4b5rgd32mj30qq0lfdif.jpg 962w, 300w, 768w, 600w" sizes="(max-width: 962px) 100vw, 962px"/>[/url]
【图表一:政治倾向自评分】
The graph shows that 291 of the 326 people who responded to this question picked a left-of-center label (that’s 89.3%), and only 8 people (2.5%) picked a right of center label, giving us a Left to Right ratio of 36 to one. This is much higher than that found by Inbar and Lammers. The main source of political diversity appears to be the 27 people (including me) who self-identified as centrists.
图表显示,该题的326位回答者中有291位选择了中间偏左标签(占总数89.3%),而只有8位选择了中间偏右标签(占总数2.5%),这就得出了一个36:1的左右派比值。这比Inbar和Lammers发现的比值还高。政治多样性主要基于27位自我定义为中间派的回答者(包括本人在内)。
2)Presidential voting: 76 to one.
2)总统选举投票:76:1。
Another item asked: “Who did you vote for in the last presidential election (if you are not a US citizen, or if you did not vote, who would you have voted for if you had voted)? The options were: “Obama,” “Romney,” or “Other.” If we do a frequency plot of the 3 possible choices we get this:
另有一道题问到:“在上次总统大选中你把选票投给了谁(如果你不是美国公民,或者你并未投票的话,假设让你投票,你可能会投给谁)?”选项有这么几个:“奥巴马”、“罗姆尼”或“其他”。如果我们依照这三个选项绘制频率分布直方图,则得下图:
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【图表二:2012年美国总统大选】
The graph shows that 305 of the 322 people (94.7%) who responded to this question voted for Obama, 4 (1.2%) voted for Romney, and 13 (4.0%) said they voted for another candidate. This gives us a Democrat to Republican ratio of 76 to one.
图表显示,该题的322位回答者中有305位(占94.7%)投给了奥巴马,4位(占1.2%)投给了罗姆尼,而有13位(占4.0%)回答者投给了其他总统候选人。这就得出了一个76:1的“驴象比”比值。
3)Views on political issues: 314 to one.
3)政治议题上的观点:314:1。
A third way of graphing the viewpoint diversity of these senior social psychologists is by computing an average score across all 9 of the politically valenced policy items. For each one, the 11 point response scale was labeled “strongly oppose” on the left-most point and “strongly support” on the right-most point.
将这些资深社会心理学家的观点多元状况图表化的第三条途径,就是算出他们在九道政治心理价问题上的平均得分。每个问题的答案选项都有11个,最左端的为“强烈反对”,最右端为“强烈支持”。
I converted all responses to the same 11 point scale used in figure 1 so that “strongly supporting” the progressive position (e.g., pro-choice) was scored as -5 and “strongly supporting” the conservative position (e.g., prayer in school) was scored as +5. That puts the leftists on the left and the rightists on the right of the graph. Here’s the graph:
我将所有回答都转换成与图表1中的11个选项一一对应,也就是说,“强烈支持”进步派立场的(比如主张堕胎权)就会被记作-5分,而“强烈支持”保守派立场(比如支持校内祷告)就会被记作5分。这样就可以在图表上把左派标到左侧,右派标到右侧。图表如下:
<img src="[url=https://www.letscorp.net/lynn/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/006aIDRtgw1f4b5ryuh8xj30ty0nz773.jpg"]https://www.letscorp.net/lynn/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/006aIDRtgw1f4b5ryuh8xj30ty0nz773.jpg" alt="006aIDRtgw1f4b5ryuh8xj30ty0nz773" width="1078" height="863" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-106806" srcset="https://www.letscorp.net/lynn/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/006aIDRtgw1f4b5ryuh8xj30ty0nz773.jpg 1078w, 300w, 768w, 600w" sizes="(max-width: 1078px) 100vw, 1078px"/>[/url]
【图表三:对九个政治议题的观点】
I counted anyone whose average score fell between -1.0 and +1.0 (inclusive) as a centrist. The graph shows that 314 of the 327 participants (96.0%) had an average score below -1.0 (i.e., left of center), one had an average score above +1.0 (i.e., right of center), and 12 were centrists. That gives us a Left to Right ratio of 314 to one.
我将所有平均得分在-1.0与1.0之间的参与者都算作中间派。图表显示,在327名参与者中有314位(占96.0%)的平均得分低于-1.0(即中间偏左),只有一位参与者的平均得分高于1.0(即中间偏右),另外还有12位是中间派。这样我们就得出了一个314:1的左右派比值。
What does this mean?
这意味着什么?
However you measure it, and for all samples measured so far, social psychology leans heavily to the left and has very few people right of center. Von Hippel and Buss’s new data confirms the story that a few of us told in a recent paper (Duarte, Crawford, Stern, Haidt, Jussim & Tetlock, 2015) in which we created the graph below, which shows just how fast psychology has been moving to the left since the 1990s. The ratio of Democrats to Republicans (diamonds) and liberals to conservatives (circles) was roughly 3 to 1 for most of the 20th century. But it skyrockets beginning in the 1990s as the Greatest Generation retires and the Baby Boomers take over.
不论你如何衡量,就目前已经测得的样本来看,社会心理学界已经左倾得非常严重了,只有很少人是中间偏右的。Von Hippel和Buss的新数据也证实了我们几个在最近的一篇论文(Duarte, Crawford, Stern, Haidt, Jussim和Tetlock于2015年发表)里说到的情况,文中我们绘制了下面这张图表,它显示了从1990年代起心理学界是以何等之快的速度左倾化的。“驴象比”(在图中以方块示出)和“左右比”(在图中以圆圈示出)比值在上个世纪基本为3:1。但随着“最伟大世代”【编注:作家Tom Brokaw将成长于大萧条年代,接着参加二战,随后又经历了战后大繁荣的那一代人称为最伟大一代】的退休和婴儿潮一代的接班,这个比值在90年代开始直线窜升。
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【图表四: 1920年代起学院心理学家左右派比值的攀升。(详见Duarte等人在2015年发表的论文)】
Why does this matter?
这为什么重要?
Most people know that professors in America, and in most countries, generally vote for left-leaning parties and policies. But few people realize just how fast things have changed since the 1990s. An academic field that leans left (or right) can still function, as long as ideological claims or politically motivated research is sure to be challenged. But when a field goes from leaning left to being entirely on the left, the normal safeguards of peer review and institutionalized disconfirmation break down. Research on politically controversial topics becomes unreliable because politically favored conclusions receive less-than-normal scrutiny while politically incorrect findings must scale mountains of motivated and hostile reasoning from reviewers and editors.
美国以及大多数国家的教授们一般都会支持左翼政党或政策,这没什么新鲜,但鲜为人知的是, 1990年代以来事态是以何其快的速度转变着。只要意识形态主张或者出于政治目的的研究仍必然会遭到挑战,那么一个左倾(或右倾)的学术领域就还能运转。但是当一个学术领域从左倾发展到铁板一块的左翼时,同行评议或者体制化否证的正常保障监督措施就会崩溃。对在政治上有争议的论题的研究会变得不再可靠,因为存在政治偏袒的结论现在受到的审查少之又少,而政治不正确的发现则需要排除万难,须要遭受评议人和编辑们发出的种种带有政治动机和敌意的论证。
I consider the rapid loss of political diversity, over the last 20 years, to be the second-greatest existential threat to the field of social psychology, after the “replication crisis.” The field is responding constructively to the replication crisis. Will it also attend to its political diversity crisis? Or will it continue to think of diversity only in terms of the demographic categories that most matter to people on the left: race, gender and sexual orientation?
我将过去二十年间发生的这次政见多样性的迅速退减视为,社会心理学领域的第二大致命威胁,仅次于“可重复性危机”。这个领域正在积极地应对可重复性危机,那么它也会去解决它的政见多样性危机吗?还是说,它仍旧只会从人口统计学这个对左派人士来说至关重要的角度来考虑多样性?只会考虑种族、性别和性向问题?
I don’t mean to single out social psychology. It is the field that I know best, but what we have learned at Heterodox Academy is that this problem, this rapid shift to political purity, has happened to most fields in the humanities and social sciences in just the last 2 decades.
我并不是故意要把社会心理学挑出来。这只是我最熟悉的领域,但我们在异端学院意识到了:这个问题,即政治单一化现象,仅在过去的短短20年内就在大部分人文社科领域都已经发生了。
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dingdingdddd
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另外还有一个微信文章就不转了,可以自己搜索一下,美国的大脑生病了
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PositiveVibe
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我都懒得说土耳其伊斯坦布尔机场3人自杀式爆炸袭击了,死了41,伤了239,只是希望这样的事不要以后发生在美国
含笑的猫
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我都懒得说土耳其伊斯坦布尔机场3人自杀式爆炸袭击了,死了41,伤了239,只是希望这样的事不要以后发生在美国
PositiveVibe 发表于 6/29/2016 7:01:46 AM
如果让左棍继续横行下去,这种事情要成家常便饭了!
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tiffany2013
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我都懒得说土耳其伊斯坦布尔机场3人自杀式爆炸袭击了,死了41,伤了239,只是希望这样的事不要以后发生在美国
PositiveVibe 发表于 6/29/2016 7:01:46 AM
如果美国百姓在媒体影响下继续选民主党,那只能说是自作孽不可活了。
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smilemm
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看脸书上面,船长的like是老巫婆的两倍,下面评论的老巫婆那边大多数是骂它的,船长那边都是支持的,很奇怪poll怎么会落后?肯定是作弊了吧
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smilemm
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是不是说明大多数美国人还是清醒的
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liangdoudou
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看脸书上面,船长的like是老巫婆的两倍,下面评论的老巫婆那边大多数是骂它的,船长那边都是支持的,很奇怪poll怎么会落后?肯定是作弊了吧
smilemm 发表于 6/29/2016 9:33:42 AM

不觉得难民及非法移民转正的和常年领救济的都会有脸书啊,所以只能说中产支持Trump的多吧~
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fangshisan
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回复 1433楼dingdingdddd的帖子

左逼们把持着教育系统,tmd连几岁的小孩都开始政治洗脑。
可以想象,这种教育风向出来的所谓人才会是啥样。
悲观的说,川普如果上台,最多也只是延缓。。。这个国家堕落成大号的南非也是难以挽回了。

再悲观的想,左右的积怨一旦无可调和,没准新的南北战争就要开始了。
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crystal1108
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隔壁小叮咚是不是智商出问题了啊。。还是精分了?之前回帖也说希望取消AA,现在开始支持了。
那个帖子标题实在智商太低,我不想去给顶帖!敢情AA出来之前她没来美国…不知道什么是equal employment opportunity commission(EECO)

大家都别给她回帖!别把帖子顶上去。沉了才是最好的结果

芝士年糕 发表于 6/28/2016 12:54:48 PM
那个ID不仅智商不好,见识也不好,放着事实不管,整日担心american white again,说些没有逻辑也不顾事实的话,跟这种人说话简直就是slow death。
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crystal1108
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奥巴马应该进监狱,像他这样不顾法律越权的人对美国简直是灾难。美国继续左下去吧,老希上台了我肯定回国,这国家没救了。
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Louisewu
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那个ID不仅智商不好,见识也不好,放着事实不管,整日担心american white again,说些没有逻辑也不顾事实的话,跟这种人说话简直就是slow death。

crystal1108 发表于 6/29/2016 9:56:10 AM
她成天担心white again,怎么就不怕黑墨和穆斯林?人家墨墨拿她当自己人了吗,搞笑。
来美国10年,我还没被白人歧视过。难道她被白人歧视了,有心理阴影,所以这么怕white again
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Louisewu
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奥巴马应该进监狱,像他这样不顾法律越权的人对美国简直是灾难。美国继续左下去吧,老希上台了我肯定回国,这国家没救了。
crystal1108 发表于 6/29/2016 10:05:50 AM
讲真,他发疯到这份上怎么还没被弹劾?
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rita0510
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那个ID不仅智商不好,见识也不好,放着事实不管,整日担心american white again,说些没有逻辑也不顾事实的话,跟这种人说话简直就是slow death。

crystal1108 发表于 6/29/2016 9:56:10 AM
RERE,不去回那个ID的贴了。另一个也好夸张,从到到尾强调自己最懂历史别人没文化智商低,一个链接杰宝都没有,结果她自己今年才毕业去DC工作F1期间就交485没有备用身份不敢告诉公司。
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icylava
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Trump的地面工作因为经费的原因远远比不上老妖婆。前天npr说在NC一个州(摇摆州),老妖婆就砸了80million天天播广告,相比之下Trump在那里基本没什么广告。很多人还是生活在传统模式中,只通过看电视来摄取信息.....自然而然受媒体影响很大,唉

看脸书上面,船长的like是老巫婆的两倍,下面评论的老巫婆那边大多数是骂它的,船长那边都是支持的,很奇怪poll怎么会落后?肯定是作弊了吧
smilemm 发表于 6/29/2016 9:33:42 AM


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smilemm
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如果真的不幸老巫婆上去了,真的要考虑后路了,几十年后美国不知道成什么样子,肯定不适合我们在待下去了。
哎,希望老巫婆和奥巴马都进监狱,祸国殃民的恶魔!!
老船长要加油啊!
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icylava
1450 楼
正常来上学工作的哪个也没有被歧视妄想。一般都是偷渡的,政避的,打labor工的才总怕被歧视,呵呵

她成天担心white again,怎么就不怕黑墨和穆斯林?人家墨墨拿她当自己人了吗,搞笑。
来美国10年,我还没被白人歧视过。难道她被白人歧视了,有心理阴影,所以这么怕white again

Louisewu 发表于 6/29/2016 11:14:42 AM


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smilemm
1451 楼
每天那么多负面新闻真的已经悲观了,本来打算重新装修房子,感觉现在都没太大动力了,我是不是太多虑了
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smilemm
1452 楼
老船长一定要加油啊!啊啊啊啊!
捐钱去
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icylava
1453 楼
船长加油!也是看着各种各样的乱象和船长艰难的选路感到好悲观....捐钱去

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如果真的不幸老巫婆上去了,真的要考虑后路了,几十年后美国不知道成什么样子,肯定不适合我们在待下去了。
哎,希望老巫婆和奥巴马都进监狱,祸国殃民的恶魔!!
老船长要加油啊!
smilemm 发表于 6/29/2016 11:34:55 AM


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liangdoudou
1454 楼
老船长一定要加油啊!啊啊啊啊!
捐钱去
smilemm 发表于 6/29/2016 11:38:59 AM
是啊,想想就这次拼还有戏,所以每次号召捐钱我都捐了,民主党再上台4年 靠投票让其下台基本是永远不可能的了~
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icylava
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含笑的猫
1458 楼
老妖婆来钱太容易了,都是花街、中东等金主给的大把钞票,所以花起来也不心痛;船长相对就艰难许多,至今gop里的建制派还在负隅顽抗,也不知gop能不能为船长花大钱!所以我们这些小民,能捐的尽量捐给船长,积少成多,他是我们这些正常人的唯一希望了!
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kimy33
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NRA 为Trump campaign 投广告啦!

NRA to run $2 million Benghazi-themed ad campaign for Trump

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/29/nra-2-million-ad-campaign-trump-benghazi/86484306/
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Dandan1987
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老妖婆来钱太容易了,都是花街、中东等金主给的大把钞票,所以花起来也不心痛;船长相对就艰难许多,至今gop里的建制派还在负隅顽抗,也不知gop能不能为船长花大钱!所以我们这些小民,能捐的尽量捐给船长,积少成多,他是我们这些正常人的唯一希望了!

含笑的猫 发表于 6/29/2016 1:46:42 PM

捐了
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Dandan1987
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harwish
1462 楼
好多针对中国的呀,看的心纠结

Dandan1987 发表于 6/29/2016 2:16:15 PM

后面3点,好大的CHINA
含笑的猫
1463 楼

后面3点,好大的CHINA
harwish 发表于 6/29/2016 2:43:29 PM
唉,我们要相信船长的为人不会象希拉西那么疯狂,他作为一个成功的商人知道如何讨价还价,如何双方得利。他现在的说法也是为了拉回更多的工作机会到美国本土,船长必须争取更多选票才能得胜啊,才能为国家和人民干点实事,如果我们太计较他对中国的态度,最后让希拉里胜出,不但对我们和后代没好处,而且希拉里有发动中美战争的风险啊!
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harwish
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唉,我们要相信船长的为人不会象希拉西那么疯狂,他作为一个成功的商人知道如何讨价还价,如何双方得利。他现在的说法也是为了拉回更多的工作机会到美国本土,船长必须争取更多选票才能得胜啊,才能为国家和人民干点实事,如果我们太计较他对中国的态度,最后让希拉里胜出,不但对我们和后代没好处,而且希拉里有发动中美战争的风险啊!

含笑的猫 发表于 6/29/2016 2:52:17 PM
当然肯定不会选希拉里,只是也不想看到中国被这样指名道姓啦
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liangdoudou
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当然肯定不会选希拉里,只是也不想看到中国被这样指名道姓啦

harwish 发表于 6/29/2016 3:12:46 PM

是啊,很能理解,不过现在只能两害相劝取其轻,民主党是绝对不能再连任了~
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icylava
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唉,每次美国大选所有候选人都把中国拿出来吊打,身为华裔心里实在不是滋味……

当然肯定不会选希拉里,只是也不想看到中国被这样指名道姓啦

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fangshisan
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回复 1465楼icylava的帖子

怪不了别人,土共的确也不是什么好东西,和党反共,主党反华,该怎么选择很清楚。
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icylava
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选和党肯定不会变的。

可是华裔在美国日子不好过确实是个大问题。而且中国从种族,意识形态和竞争实力来说就是美国的对手。连日本这种美国小弟因为是亚洲国家也时不时被拿出来遛遛。相反小跟班印度,盟友欧洲基本没被bash过....

回复 1465楼icylava的帖子

怪不了别人,土共的确也不是什么好东西,和党反共,主党反华,该怎么选择很清楚。

fangshisan 发表于 6/29/2016 3:34:22 PM


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chali1234
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好多针对中国的呀,看的心纠结

Dandan1987 发表于 6/29/2016 2:16:15 PM
美国要fair trade中国当然也要啊。他们觉得中国低价倾销,中国还觉得这个低价是用环境和生命换来的呢。重新和中国谈判未必对中国是坏事,反倒是产业升级的机遇。
含笑的猫
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唉,每次美国大选所有候选人都把中国拿出来吊打,身为华裔心里实在不是滋味……
icylava 发表于 6/29/2016 3:28:59 PM
同感。。。
含笑的猫
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ZT: 班加西的13个小时 - 奥巴马和希拉里开了两小时会

班加西:美国驻利比亚大使和若干美国人被攻击。攻击开始4小时后,奥巴马和希
拉里开了个会,会议进行了2小时。

会议结果怎麽样的?

1. 出兵营救会伤害利比亚人民的感情。
2. 出台10项行动计划。其中5项都是关于一个youtube反伊斯兰的视频 - 此视频很
可能是暴民攻击美国大使的主因。
3. 其中一项行动计划是 Leon E. Panetta, Secretary of Defense, and Martin E.
Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 去找这个视频的制作者。

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/benghazi-attack-unfolded-white-house-meeting-focused-pastor-jones-youtube-video/

http://therightscoop.com/gowdy-obama-hillary-more-concerned-with-hurting-libyan-feelings-than-rescuing-americans/

含笑的猫
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ZT: ISIS的武器装备是从哪里来的?

1. 美国和前苏联在伊拉克、阿富汗等国打仗留下的:

Old military campaigns in Iraq, Afghanistan and other troubled Middle
Eastern countries have come back to haunt the U.S., Russia and Europe as the
ordnance left behind has fallen into the hands of a powerful enemy: The
terrorist group known as Islamic State.

All types of military vehicles – from Soviet-era tanks and modern U.S.
Humvees to Black Hawk helicopters, AK-47s and fighter jets – have been
identified as being captured by the jihadist group ISIS in their campaigns
across swathes of Syria and Iraq.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/23/us-and-russian-weapons-held-by-islamic-state.html

2. NATO在利比亚打仗后剩下的,由美国国务院安排送到叙利亚:

Terrorists and weapons left over from NATO’s intervention in Libya in 2011
were promptly sent to Turkey and then onto Syria – coordinated by US State
Department officials and intelligence agencies in Benghazi – a terrorist
hotbed for decades.

3. 美国提供的,名义上是支持反对阿萨德政府的rebels:

And while Western media sources continuously refer to ISIS and other
factions operating under the banner of Al Qaeda as “rebels” or “moderates
,” it is clear that if billions of dollars in weapons were truly going to
“moderates,” they, not ISIS would be dominating the battlefield.

早在2012年,美国政府帮助建立了Salafist Principality,而ISIS就是在那里成长壮
大的:

Recent revelations have revealed that as early as 2012 the United States
Department of Defense not only anticipated the creation of a “Salafist
Principality” straddling Syria and Iraq precisely where ISIS now exists, it
welcomed it eagerly and contributed to the circumstances required to bring
it about.

武器从NATQ成员国土耳其运给ISIS:
They were traveling from deep within Turkey, crossing the Syrian border with
absolute impunity, and headed on their way with the implicit protection of
nearby Turkish military forces. Attempts by Syria to attack these convoys
and the terrorists flowing in with them have been met by Turkish air
defenses.

Germany’s international broadcaster Deutsche Welle (DW) published the first
video report from a major Western media outlet illustrating that ISIS is
supplied not by “black market oil” or “hostage ransoms” but billions of
dollars worth of supplies carried into Syria across NATO member Turkey’s
borders via hundreds of trucks a day.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/logistics-101-where-does-isis-get-its-guns/5454726
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icylava
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大家轻松一下,看看船长的冰桶挑战,浇水的是左边Miss USA,右边Miss Universe,哈哈

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dingdingdddd
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问:为什么《1984》里会说“战争即和平,自由即奴役,无知即力量”?

  答:在英国作家奥维尔著名的反乌托邦小说《1984》里,反复出现“战争即和平,自由即奴役,无知即力量”(War is Peace,Freedom is Slavery,Ignorance is Strength.)这句话,象征了小说中的“老大哥”(Big Brother)对所独裁统治的“太平洋联邦”(the Oceania)所实行的极权统治。“老大哥”和他的执政党正是通过这句话以及上述的行动来教导人民,为人民洗脑,是人民心甘情愿支持他们的恐怖统治的。

  按照日常的语义来理解,“战争”与“和平”,“自由”与奴役“,“无知”与“力量”(“知识就是力量”,英国人培根所说)是相对立的范畴。但是,在特定的语境,如小说中“老大哥”的独裁统治情境下,这些相互对立的范畴成为了辩证的,相对的与本质上同一的。“老大哥”之所以要操纵和模糊这些关键概念所表征的范畴,因为它能削弱被奴役民众的社会判断,甚至扭曲和改变他们的社会认知。

  从心理语言学角度,人类个体对世界的认知是从概念开始的,通过对特定的一些事物和对象的范畴化,形成一个个概念。原始的概念与语言符号(语音、文字,等)相结合,产生一个个的词汇。根据心理语言学里著名的萨丕尔-霍夫假设(Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis,SWH),人们对世界的认知是基于特异性的语言系统。例如,在某一个原始语言里,只有三个词汇来描述基本颜色,黑、白、红(而且只可能是黑白红),那么使用这种语言的人将无法准确分辨黄色与绿色,也无法准确分辨绿色与蓝色。

  使用同一种语言的人能够互相交流,必须基于那些基本词汇所描述的概念应该有普遍的表征共识,即这个词汇到底指的是什么。不同语言之间的交流,也仰赖于互译的成对词汇应该有着大体一致的表征共识。对自然概念(如鸡、向日葵)来说,词汇所指的表征不会有太大的分歧,很容易形成共识;但对于抽象的社会概念,由于其意蕴的丰富繁琐,要达成表征共识相对而言就困难得多。例如,没有人会为“什么是真正的鸡”而烦恼,但有很多人会为“什么是真正的爱情”而纠结。每个人所理解的“爱情”,与他的经验、学识、预期、个体特异性的身心反应,等因素有关。尽管如此,绝大多数人所理解的“爱情”应该有基本的表征共识:至少是基于两个人之间吸引、依恋和激情的关系。

  所以,像“战争”、“和平”、“自由”、“奴役”、“无知”、“力量”这类的社会概念,尽管其内涵和外延难免因人而异,但人们之所以能用这些概念来交流,就因为人们形成了这些概念的基本表征共识。所以,当我们说“拥抱和平,抵制战争”时,绝大多数人都明白我们在表达什么。而且,一个社会概念的心理表征(也称为心理词条),除了语义讯息,还包含了价值评价、情感感受等讯息。所以,“和平”、“自由”、“力量”是好的,而“战争”、“奴役”、“无知”是不好的。而且,一旦人们使用了这些社会概念以及用来表征这些社会概念的词汇,人们对社会的认知就经由表征这些社会概念的词汇所构建,并在这种社会认知中形成特异性的价值判断和情感感受。人们普遍地赞同“和平”(带来安全感),反对“战争”(风险和死亡威胁);赞同“自由”,反对“奴役”;赞同“力量”,反对“无知”。

  “老大哥”和他的执政党为了更好地奴役民众,就有必要混淆这些关键社会概念的内涵和外延,使本国受奴役的民众使用这些词汇时的表征共识,与外面普世的基本表征共识隔离开来。那么,通过模糊或扭曲概念的内涵,然后经由教育灌输、喉舌宣传、镇压整肃的途径使本国民众在使用这些词汇时,所理解的语义以及所感受的价值评断不同,甚至迥异于国外的人使用这些词汇。这样做的好处是显而易见的,至少可以反映在如下几个方面:

  1、隔绝外界讯息的侵袭。在无法封禁外界讯息时,至少可以使本国民众无法真正理解外界讯息的含义。

  2、干扰和误导受奴役民众的社会认知和思考。就像取消“蓝色”和“绿色”,使人们无法准确分辨蓝色和绿色一样。

  3、对权力集团有害的讯息难以传播。当有人试图号召“用自由来推翻奴役”,受奴役民众会想“自由即奴役,不是一样的么?”。

  不仅如此,在《1984》里面,“老大哥”和他的执政党甚至发展了“新话”(Newspeak)来取代自然语言。“新话”的特点是词汇量越来越少,越来越贫乏。更少的词汇更容易操纵。

  《1984》里的这种对社会概念词汇的操纵,以及“新话”,在现实生活中也不难观察到。在世界上某些国家,如朝鲜,“民主”有着与其它国家截然不同的界定,其内涵与外延均有别于普世的理解。这样,当有人指责朝鲜“不民主”的时候,朝鲜就可以骄傲地宣称“我们是真正的民主”。而在这些国家权力集团的喉舌及权力集团的官方报告里,所使用的词汇已经高度模式化和教条化,与《1984》“新话”里的如出一辙。

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icylava
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回复 1473楼dingdingdddd的帖子

跟现在左棍们的love xx's hate,if you kill your enemy he wins,用爱拥抱恐怖活动等等语言何其相似!
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mia201
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关于1984,之前有个MM贴过,我收藏了。再跟大家分享一下:

转自S1:

哪是1984,根本就是美丽新世界

你看政治正确不就是书中所描绘的双重思维吗?

新语中,为了不让人说出Bad,发明了ungood,然后取缔了同义词,good上面就是plusgood,再上面是doubleplusgood。
然后就是(还有)blackwhite,黑的就是白的,白的就是黑的,试图通过让人们思想中存在互相矛盾的两种概念,来达到控制人民思想的目的。

而good特指to love big brother,换句话说,用新语替代人民的思想之后,已经无法表达出老大哥是坏的之类的想法了,big brother is bad = big brother is ungood = big brother is un to love big brother。

而且新语是逐年在减少词汇,一些不符合要求的会被双重思维替代。

是不是非常耳熟,把非法移民称为undocumented,正是白左们推广的新语,而且正如川普指出的,希拉里之流白左正在消灭一些词汇,比如极端伊斯兰,比如性别认知障碍等,统统用一些中性的描述来把双重思维打进人民的大脑。厕所风云是最好的注释了,男女厕被白左捏合了一个概念,“boygirl”和“blackwhite”有异曲同工之妙。

白左口口声声反极权,反独裁,实际上他们根本对此毫无概念,因为他们自身正在实践着极权统治最残暴的一面。
含笑的猫
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回复 1473楼dingdingdddd的帖子

跟现在左棍们的love xx's hate,if you kill your enemy he wins,用爱拥抱恐怖活动等等语言何其相似!
icylava 发表于 6/30/2016 2:26:21 AM
左棍们的脑残的理论!强烈怀疑这些左棍是否有脑功能障碍!要入院治疗才行,不要放出来危害人类!
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ajilon
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Andrews Air Force Base is on lockdown due to an active shooter. 虚惊一场,是演习。
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wobuaichicu
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捐钱捐钱捐钱!! 今天最后一天,老川的目标是筹到1千万。
含笑的猫
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Andrews Air Force Base is on lockdown due to an active shooter.
ajilon 发表于 6/30/2016 10:18:17 AM
不会又是个穆穆吧。
含笑的猫
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捐钱捐钱捐钱!! 今天最后一天,老川的目标是筹到1千万。
wobuaichicu 发表于 6/30/2016 10:18:38 AM
支持船长!大家捧场啊!
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1210pm
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希拉里说她上台要给stem硕士博士直接发绿卡,各位公民,如果她真的上台以后能贯彻执行挽救广大可怜的等绿卡的同胞,你们愿意为了同胞选她吗?还是坚持自己的利益选川普。

这里不讨论该政策的落实情况,就假设肯定能实现
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sheepsheep2
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这个直接给STEM绿卡的政策本来就是共和党提出来的,一直都被民主党拒绝,因为主党要把名额分给非法移民。现在希拉里为了竞选,提出这个口号,不是来搞笑的吗?
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1210pm
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这个直接给STEM绿卡的政策本来就是共和党提出来的,一直都被民主党拒绝,因为主党要把名额分给非法移民。现在希拉里为了竞选,提出这个口号,不是来搞笑的吗?
sheepsheep2 发表于 6/30/2016 11:06:25 AM
我说了,不考虑别的,假设就是能实现。公民们会不会为了同胞投她
含笑的猫
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希拉里说她上台要给stem硕士博士直接发绿卡,各位公民,如果她真的上台以后能贯彻执行挽救广大可怜的等绿卡的同胞,你们愿意为了同胞选她吗?还是坚持自己的利益选川普。

这里不讨论该政策的落实情况,就假设肯定能实现
1210pm 发表于 6/30/2016 10:59:36 AM

不会支持希拉里!因为她根本没有节操!没有廉耻!我不会相信这种人的任何承诺。而且如果希拉里上台,对美国是很危险的,她会引进大量非移和穆斯林,那时候就是欧洲一样的下场,而且中美关系更会紧张。请问,国将不国,你们这些拿了绿卡的同胞还会在美国呆下去吗?人往高处走,美国犹如一只下沉的船,拿到绿卡又有何用?看问题要从大局出发,而不是盯着蝇头小利。再说,共和党何时就不为高等人才发绿卡啦?
唐伯虎点蚊香
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共和党的政策,她拿来用就选她?为了同胞,要选共和党。因为共和党consistently支持高科技移民

我说了,不考虑别的,假设就是能实现。公民们会不会为了同胞投她

1210pm 发表于 6/30/2016 11:09:04 AM


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不会支持希拉里!因为她根本没有节操!没有廉耻!我不会相信这种人的任何承诺。而且如果希拉里上台,对美国是很危险的,她会引进大量非移和穆斯林,那时候就是欧洲一样的下场,而且中美关系更会紧张。请问,国将不国,你们这些拿了绿卡的同胞还会在美国呆下去吗?人往高处走,美国犹如一只下沉的船,拿到绿卡又有何用?看问题要从大局出发,而不是盯着蝇头小利。

含笑的猫 发表于 6/30/2016 11:10:05 AM
不相信她发绿卡,为什么相信她引入非移和穆斯林
含笑的猫
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不相信她发绿卡,为什么相信她引入非移和穆斯林
1210pm 发表于 6/30/2016 11:13:21 AM

你还是好好去研究一下希拉里的为人,再做定断!
含笑的猫
1489 楼
ZT:这个“给STEM硕博毕业生直接绿卡”的提案是共和党以前经常提出的。即使是提倡减少移民的共和党参议员也大力支持的。每次都是民主党非要把合法学生跟非法移民捆绑。你要是不给全部非法移民大赦,民主党就不许解决合法学生的移民问题。希拉里作为一直未非法移民张目的民主党候选人现在提出的这个和直接用F word 骂人也没什么区别了吧。得多傻才能相信?
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ajilon
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希拉里说她上台要给stem硕士博士直接发绿卡,各位公民,如果她真的上台以后能贯彻执行挽救广大可怜的等绿卡的同胞,你们愿意为了同胞选她吗?还是坚持自己的利益选川普。

这里不讨论该政策的落实情况,就假设肯定能实现
1210pm 发表于 6/30/2016 10:59:36 AM
stem硕士博士同胞有多少人?她放进来的难民非移多少人?华人的利益难道不是广大中产的利益?
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SDSPAGE
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捐钱捐钱捐钱!! 今天最后一天,老川的目标是筹到1千万。
wobuaichicu 发表于 6/30/2016 10:18:38 AM
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sheepsheep2
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就算是她给stem直接绿卡, 估计还要加一个diversity的条件,沦到中国人的名额可能又没有了。
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1210pm
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stem硕士博士同胞有多少人?她放进来的难民非移多少人?华人的利益难道不是广大中产的利益?

ajilon 发表于 6/30/2016 11:18:52 AM
还是你实在,人不为己天诛地灭,都是站在自己立场看问题,华人也好 黑莫也好,都是为了自己活的更好,从这一点大家都没有错
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liangdoudou
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希拉里说她上台要给stem硕士博士直接发绿卡,各位公民,如果她真的上台以后能贯彻执行挽救广大可怜的等绿卡的同胞,你们愿意为了同胞选她吗?还是坚持自己的利益选川普。

这里不讨论该政策的落实情况,就假设肯定能实现
1210pm 发表于 6/30/2016 10:59:36 AM

这个之前是共和党提出被奥巴否决的,希现在又盗用,但不代表trump不会这么做 trump本来就支持合法移民~  不会为这个原因就改选个4年就可以放进62万难民无数非法移民的无底线的evil
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1210pm
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这个之前是共和党提出被奥巴否决的,希现在又盗用,但不代表trump不会这么做 trump本来就支持合法移民~  不会为这个原因就改选个4年就可以放进62万难民无数非法移民的无底线的evil

liangdoudou 发表于 6/30/2016 11:29:13 AM
你们都不实在,直接说为了自己的利益,不会为想拿绿卡的同胞考虑就好了,这么简单的答案
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Chasy_Price
1496 楼
你们都不实在,直接说为了自己的利益,不会为想拿绿卡的同胞考虑就好了,这么简单的答案
1210pm 发表于 6/30/2016 11:33:48 AM
STEM绿卡只是这场大选中一个比较小的问题
经济、移民、大法官 是最重要的三个问题
试想,把希拉里选上去,美国搞得一塌糊涂
那个时候,你觉得stem的绿卡还有意义吗?还有人想留在这里吗?
所以不要主次不分阿

况且,stem绿卡本就是共和党的一贯主张
屡屡通不过是因为民主党一直捆绑非法移民
这就好像
你家里有一个亲戚和你妈关系很好
想到你家住让你帮帮忙
你当然愿意帮
但如果这个亲戚一直要带其他100个亲戚一起来
你还愿不愿意呢?
我想你也是不愿意的。
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icylava
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你这是下了个套吗?大家都说坚决不投民主党,你好拿去外面说公民们自己上了车就关门什么的.......

再重复一遍:Stem绿卡是共和党提出来的,好几次,都是因为民主党要捆绑非法移民才没有通过。没有什么假设不假设,希勒里为了选票什么都能许诺。她还要release外星人信息呢,假设能实现,地球人会不会为了真相选她?

我说了,不考虑别的,假设就是能实现。公民们会不会为了同胞投她

1210pm 发表于 6/30/2016 11:09:04 AM


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liangdoudou
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你们都不实在,直接说为了自己的利益,不会为想拿绿卡的同胞考虑就好了,这么简单的答案
1210pm 发表于 6/30/2016 11:33:48 AM
挺实在的啊,哪句不实在了,谁不是为自己利益,我以前都说过无数遍了我这么反民主党就是因为我家附近有很多难民营了,自然不会因为少数绿卡就该改选希拉里啊,其它反民主党的有他们最看重的一面,反AA的,反厕所法案的,大家同仇敌忾~ 那些民党死忠为isis各种洗白的一样都希望难民营建别人家旁边,难道你认为他们选民主党是因为绿卡考虑同胞了,真不知道你的point是啥~
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icylava
1499 楼
因为一个是竞选口头许诺,一个是已经实在发生的事情,你说大家该信哪个?

trust me,就算有了stem绿卡,民主党一定会让华人一样很困难的才能拿到。现在的eb2-3对其他国家就是填表缴费等几个月而已,中国人要等排期,你以为stem绿卡会好多少?

不相信她发绿卡,为什么相信她引入非移和穆斯林

1210pm 发表于 6/30/2016 11:13:21 AM


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ajilon
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你们都不实在,直接说为了自己的利益,不会为想拿绿卡的同胞考虑就好了,这么简单的答案
1210pm 发表于 6/30/2016 11:33:48 AM
stem也是想拿绿卡的同胞中很小的一部份吧,给stem绿卡同时放进大量难民非移,势必造成其他非stem的同胞拿绿卡更加困难的局面,公平吗?