【重温#TrumpTheEstablishment, 热泪盈眶】大选聊天帖画上圆满句号

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redhermit
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zt: "两个烂苹果,哪个都不选"是H派迄今最成功的阴谋.  ---寄语逍遥派/中间派/摇摆派.

  在媒体舆论上,"两个烂苹果"或"骗子VS流氓"或"说谎者VS疯子"或"厌H并非必是川粉",因此哪个都不选, 等等类似的说法比比皆是,影响甚广,而且赢得不少中间派摇摆派的认可.

  其实这都是希团队智囊出的阴谋, 而且是迄今为止杀伤力最大的一招. 

我在单位对35人(全部非华人)作过民意调查,其中不少人坚定接受此说法,也有数人明显受此说法影响.(另有两个中国人说, 都不好,都不要.)

  希团队这一招表面看似是"公平"地两边都骂,给人以无倾向性的公正感觉,但其本意却是希团队退而求其次, 对川普暗藏极大杀伤力. 属于杀敌1000,自损200的好买卖.

第一, 对于两边的铁粉群, "两个烂苹果"的说词, 均都不会改变他们的意向.

第二, 因为希拉里知道,对于痛恨自己,厌恶自己的那些人, 根本不可能有希望争取到他们,因此只要能使他们不去支持对手,就是胜利.

具体手法就是:来个轻伤自己却害人入骨的损招,对那些摇摆中间派, 特别是痛恨希拉里的那些人, 他们本来完全有可能转投川谱, 但 "两个烂苹果"的宣传却能让他们(1)放弃投票等于不帮助川普)(2)投票给第三方(等于变相地不帮助川普)

第三, 为选票大规模作弊作准备,如果大家(选民)百分百地参与投票,他们作弊难度将较大(还是能,例如 改选票),但至少他们不能通过增加额外的假选票来作弊(总不能搞出最后的投票率达到115%的笑话吧). 但是,假如投票率不到100%,他们可以通过增加假选票来轻易改变结果,(例如:实际投票人数只达到60%,他们就有增加40%假票的余地了)

第四,"烂苹果之说"目的就是把他降格到与她成一类. 而这两人根本不是同类, 区别在于:维护者VS毁坏者.

  美国这座大厦, 希拉里一方面要增加更多的白蚁般的吃福利族来从内部啃噬大厦结构;另一方面疯狂地引入更多占领族入侵来直接拆毁大厦整体. 所以,希是个毁坏者,30年拆毁经验确实丰富, 越多的经验,拆的也越快.

  而川普 是个装修师傅,动机简单直接, 维护美国大厦的屹立不倒, 虽然可能经验不足, 但他会努力作好. 而且退一步说, 即使不能加固大厦, 他什么都不作,至少也不会继续主动毁坏大厦. 

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--拜托这里的川普支持者帮忙广为转贴, 尤其是英文坛,点醒那些逍遥派中间派摇摆派.

--我英文不好, 拜托同路者将我的意见转达给川普团队, 毕竟现在没法利用左倾的新闻媒体广为传播,希望寄托在第三次辩论有所帮助,尤其是彭斯在RALLY时出面讲这一点,效果会更好.
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myteeth
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我也在痛心这个问题。。。这再也不是我们辛辛苦苦考托考G要来的自由世界里一座灯塔了

icylava 发表于 10/15/2016 3:23:16 AM
这两天也在想这个问题,心目中美国的民主已经崩塌,不信教,但真心希望God Bless America!
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footloose
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God Bless America!
含笑的猫
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Wikileaks 汇总1

利用财务漏洞来修补赤字。
EMAILID 2170 Attachment How to make $8 Million campaign debt disappear for
Hillary? For example by "renting voter and donor information lists" from the
Hillary 2008 campaign. Renting them with other organizations that they
control, thus funneling money back into the campaign to cancel the debt.
This was outlined in a memo, but they actually did it. With HillPAC for
example (investigated by a journalist at The Intercept).

希拉里收取外国献金。
EMAILID 2783 Hillary took foreign money. The implication through Huma is she
knew about it and solicited it. FARA stands for the Foreign Actors
Registration Act Huma said..."we had decided to accept it wanted to know who
the individuals are and (Hillary) wants to weigh in"

希拉里团队抱怨希拉里经常在公开场合说假话。
EMAILID 3990 "Beyond this Hillary should stop attacking Bernie, especially
when she says things that are untrue, which candidly she often does. I am
one of the people with credibility to suggest Bernie people support her in
November, and she and Benenson and others have no idea of the damage she
does to herself with these attacks, which she does not gain by making."

希拉里团队不敢要求桑德斯提供健康证明,因为希拉里的健康状况更差。
EMAILID 2953 Too afraid to ask for Bernie's medical records. Knowing Hillary
's medical records are much worse.

信内写了一些民主党大金主的名字。
EMAILID 2485 Names of some big money Democrat donors.

一个名字未知的著名记者认为WJC(比尔克林顿,以下同)的性丑闻会损害克林顿夫妻
的声誉。
EMAILID 2301 A famous but unnamed journalist is warning about how "Clinton's
sex life" could cause problems because "sources close to the Clintons" are
telling him exactly that. Attempts are made to shut up these sources
internally, because Bill Clinton sex "allegations are hurting both Clintons"
LOL

希拉里团队为了某场初选辩论的主持人人选感谢Univision老板Haim Saban。
EMAILID 3782 HRC Campaign thanking Univision's owner Haim Saban for its
moderators handling of Hillary against Sanders. Things were a bit rigged
against Bernie?

打算攻击桑德斯写荤段子。
EMAILID 1786 Preparing for huge attacks on Bernie Sanders: "Sanders once
wrote that men fantasize about women being on their knees and women
fantasize about being raped by three men simultaneously."

MSNBC记者在采访希拉里之前提前提供讲稿。
EMAILID 2535 Hillary Camp prepares for hard-hitting interview with MSNBC "
journalist", they prepare sections of text for her. They call the whole
thing "tax hit", meaning the thing is supposed to be some hit piece against
Bernie (possibly). This is early 2016, so during the fighting against Bernie
. HRC then proceeds to read sections almost verbatim from these prepared
remarks : compare this video to the text .

希拉里团队讨论私服上邮件的危险性。最后发现希拉里将含有机密信息的邮件提供给了
以下人士:Combetta, Pagliano, all of her lawyers, all of Platte River
Network maybe a few janitors。
EMAILID 3154 Discussion about the emails. Should Hillary make a joke about
the emails? She shouldn't because "We don't know what's in the emails, so we
are nervous about this. Might get a big laugh tonight and regret it when
content of emails is disclosed. "- Mandy Grunwald . Better not to joke about
the "emails" (turns out the email case was really about how she exposed
classified TOP SECRET/SAP information through the "emails" to the following
people: Combetta, Pagliano, all of her lawyers, all of Platte River Network
maybe a few janitors. )

希拉里夫妻反对同性婚姻,表面上的支持只是为了选举的伪装。
EMAILID 2631 Hillary's stance on the Defense of Marriage Act revealed, 2015
October "I'm not saying double down or ever say it again. I'm just saying
that she's not going to want to say she was wrong about that, given she and
her husband believe it and have repeated it many times. Better to reiterate
evolution, opposition to DOMA when court considered it, and forward looking
stance."

希拉里团队担心纽时曝光他们和PAC的会面(违反选举法)。纽时最后理所当然地没有
报道这件事。
EMAILID 2372 Hillary campaign scared shitless, about the NYT. Maybe they
will report meetings with a PAC "So afraid that NYT is going with this story
on Priorities whether we like or not. They have sources about the meetings.
Honestly, it sounds like Priorities staff was yapping." Did the NYT go with
it? (They didn't, they are in the tank). Language suggests meetings took
place, there was coordination with Priorities PAC.

希拉里团队讨论销毁邮件。
EMAILID 2676 Probably the moment when they figured out how to destroy all of
the emails: "When I worked for the leadership we had a records retention
policy to actively destroy all emails after 3 or 6 months. Each office made
up its own policy. " So if you just change your policy to something "made up
", you get to destory all the evidence after the fact. BLEACHBIT TIME

DOJ私下同希拉里团队沟通邮件门调查进度。
EMAILID 4178 "DOJ folks inform me..." Clinton campaign spokesman Brian
Fallon keeping in touch directly with the DOJ folks regarding the email case
.  

希拉里厌恶日常美国人。
EMAILID 4433 John Podesta about Crooked Hillary: " I know she has begun to
hate everyday Americans, but I think we should use it once the first time
she says I'm running for president because you and everyday Americans need a
champion."

雅虎记者Katie Couric为希拉里写枪文。
EMAILID 4836 Katie Couric sucking up to the Hillary campaign, offering her
services: "I'd also like to do a separate piece of business through social
media along the lines of "10 things you don't know about Hillary Clinton"
that would showcase her personality and has a lot of viral potential."

CVC(切尔西克林顿)大嘴巴跟朋友讲克林顿基金会内的经济丑闻。
EMAILID 5213 Clinton Foundation problems ( WJC=Bill Clinton CVC = Chelsea
Clinton in previous emails: ) "I just received a call from a close friend of
wjcs who said that cvc told one of the bush 43 kids that she is conducting
an internal investigation of money within the foundation from cgi to the
foundation The bush kid then told someone else who then told an operative
within the republican party I have heard more and more chatter of cvc and
bari talking about lots of what is going on internally to people Not smart"

Tulsi Gabbard对Darnell Strom和Michael Kives桑德斯表示失望。
EMAILID 3609 Tulsi Gabbard receives demeaning 'Disappointed' letter from
Darnell Strom & Michael Kives due to her resigning as DNC Co-Chair and
showing support for Bernie Sanders.

希拉里团队讨论设备被黑的可能性。
EMAILID 9181 - Discussions about encryption and Hillary's response to the
use of a backdoor. "But in terms of wanting a way to break in - couldn't we
tell tech off the record that she had in mind the malware/key strokes idea (
insert malware into a device that you know is a target, to capture
keystrokes before they are encrypted). Or that she had in mind really super
code breaking by the NSA. But not the backdoor per se? "

讨论怎么在初选辩论日程安排上作弊更有利于希拉里。
EMAILID 5688 How to create a debate schedule most favorable to Hillary? How
to rig the debate schedule and the rules to be most in her favor? This memo
will explain. For example: "to eliminate the possibility of one on one
debates; the most likely standard that would achieve this result is to allow
any announced candidate who is: 1) a Democrat and, 2) who meets some
threshold of viability (1 percent) in either a national or state specific (e
.g. Iowa, NH) to participate." One on one debates would have been better for
Bernie Sanders, so they wanted to avoid that at all costs. They also wanted
to limit the number of debates, and start them late to minimize the impact
of the debates.  

希拉里的推特是由团队来撰写和发布的。
EMAILID 5479 John Podesta receives Hillary's tweets for approval a few days
in advance of the tweets going online. Together with previous leaks, it
looks like Hillary doesn't have much input into any of "her" tweets. They
are put together by a group of staffers.  
Huma讨论权钱交易(甚至Huma都意识到这种事情太下作,建议不通过邮件来讨论)。
EMAILID 5469 Huma reveals there is a "Friend of Hillary" list which is
available for rental. Seems like some shady shit because even Human wants to
discuss off email: "We should be thoughtful about any group that wants to
rent Friend of Hillary list now because there is interest. This is also
probably best discussed off email."  

希拉里跟华尔街的密切关系可能会影响到她的初选选情。
EMAILID 5512 Email chain about Hillary being extremely weak on the topic of
standing up to Wall Street. Not even her own campaign staff believes she is
credible on Wall Street. Even though she told Wall St. to cut it out. "I
believe we started out the campaign about 20 points behind Sanders in Iowa
on the question of who would best stand up to Wall Street and that was when
we were about 40 points ahead. If you want to make the question of the
campaign, who will best stand up to Wall Street, Sanders is the answer and
he'll give you $35 million reasons why."  

EMAILID 5705 Someone, likely Neera Tanden writes to John Podesta. This is
more than a little bit creepy : "I know you were probably kidding this
morning about me in NH. I am aware of your dark sense of humor. But I should
say that I would do whatever Hillary needs always. I owe her a lot. And I'm
a loyal soldier. I think I might not be so useful because I overly focus on
the lessons of the past but if there's something I should do to help
campaign more I will do it. Let's hope it doesn't come to this and she wins
Iowa."  

希拉里团队讨论收到邮件调查的传票。
EMAILID 6391 Lot of staffers discussing Select Committee on Benghazi
subpoenas issued for Hillary Clinton emails. At the very least this proves
that a ton of campaign staff was actively aware and discussing the subpoenas
as early as Mar 4, 2015. This is before Combetta from Platte River Networks
used Bleach Bit to wipe out tens of thousands of emails.

扔块骨头给桑德斯和他的支持者来减轻他们对败选的不满。
EMAILID 5423 Person who wrote the superdelegate rules advises Clinton
Campaign how to create an illusion that Bernie people won something so they
would work their asses off for Hillary. "So here's my idea. Bernie and his
people have been bitching about super delegates and the huge percentage that
have come out for Hillary... why not throw Bernie a bone and reduce the
super delegates in the future to the original draft of members of the House
and Senate, governors and big city mayors, eliminating the DNC members who
are not State chairs or vice-Chairs... So if we "give" Bernie this in the
Convention's rules committee, his people will think they've "won" something
from the Party Establishment. And it functionally doesn't make any
difference anyway. They win. We don't lose. Everyone is happy. "

希拉里团队讨论怎么避免召开新闻发布会,以免被问起基金会和邮件问题。
EMAILID 5621 Pondering how to avoid the press because they always ask about
the "foundation and emails" causing them to go off message. Long discussion
about avoiding the press and whether to do it (they did it) Including : "Can
we survive not answering questions from press at message events. Her
dinkins speech and immigration message broke through because we didn't take
questions. Her community banks message got lost because she answered
questions about the foundation and emails."  

WJC疑似要去希腊首相讨论难民接受问题,提到劝说默克尔。
EMAILID 6186 "White House asked me whether WJC had enough of a relationship
with PM Tsipras to call him and counsel him to make a deal. "He says yes,
but he'd need a lot more info than he has now. His immediate question is -
are we pushing Merkle too?  

内部邮件显示希拉里将最终支持TPP。
EMAILID 6616 Internal document assumes that Hillary will ultimately support
TPP. Could be one of those private positions that she will ultimately
support it. "This draft assumes that she's ultimately going to support both
TPA and TPP. It focuses on what needs to happen to produce a positive result
with TPP" Not just the draft assumes that she will support TPP, most of the
electorate assumes that as well.  

记者Brent Budowsky忧心忡忡地写信给Podesta说要希拉里注意贪污问题。
EMAILID 6900 Another gem from journalist Brent Budowsky. A desperate plea to
Podesta about Clinton's money troubles: "If there is one thing that could
well bring down a Hillary Clinton candidacy it is this cycle of money issues
about which I am now feeling red alerts, loud bells, warning signals, and
red flags and I am now seriously pissed off that there is a real chance that
her candidacy and the Democratic Party could be destroyed by these self-
created dangers that continue to proliferate the closer she gets to
presumably announcing her candidacy. If she is not hearing this from others,
please feel free to forward this to her, I will play the bad guy here
because I do not want her money and because she needs to hear this from her
friends and she will sure as hell be attacked for this by her enemies, and
it will be megaphoned throughout the media, and foreign donations and paid
speeches and hustling gold mining deals by her brother are entirely
legitimate issues that are self-created, and must self-corrected before it
is too late....and I do not believe the Clintons fully understand the
magnitude and immediacy of the danger in the current political and media
climate"

CNN主持人Jake Tapper抱怨另一名左派记者抹黑他。
EMAILID 5518 Jake Tapper (now at CNN) is mad about a fellow liberal smearing
him with some lies. He gets pretty mad :"Off the record, Faiz, you should
be ashamed for printing something so untrue. And John - is this was think
progress is? Print anything, damn the facts?" - Interestingly the two
leftist journalists include John Podesta in their conflict against each
other. The "journalists" needed to include John Podesta to play the referee
between them in this internal war?

幕僚Philippe Reines认为希拉里2015年的很多内部信息被泄露了,因为有人向媒体提
供一些因为只有10个人左右的小圈子才知道的信息,但Podesta认为只是巧合所以无视
他的意见了。
EMAILID 4818 Philippe Reines thinks there are massive leaks in the Hillary
operation in 2015. Someone is talking to the press gives them all types of
info that is only known to about 10 people. John Podesta dismisses saying
the media just invented stuff and guessed right...

Philippe Reines对Moveon.org将为了Warren募集一百万美元来参加2016大选。
EMAILID 4313 Philippe Reines is very annoyed that Moveon.org is planning to
spend 1 million to draw Pocahontas (Elizabeth Warren) into the race to run
in 2016. Wants to use Hollywood connections to destroy support for Warren so
she is not a threat. "I don't know who funds them, but don't we have
Hollywood friends with ties to MoveOn who can tell them to cool it?"

希拉里团队在Warren团队内部安排了两个内线。
EMAILID 4335 Huma and the gang are preparing for a meeting with The Indian (
Elizabeth Warren). During the discussion it turns out they have someone
called "Mindy" on Elizabeth Warren's staff, who "could provide some intel".
So they have a staffer who leaks out information ("intel") to them so the
meeting can go well for them. Later Huma reveals they had two moles working
for them within Warren's camp: "Mandy has been helpful and will provide good
intel. As for Mindy, we have frustrated her but yes she will also be very
helpful."

一个民主党平民写信给Podesta抱怨民主党不在意他们这种小人物。
EMAILID 4637 Lifelong Democrat voter sends a complaint to John Podesta about
the massive lack of respect shown to people like him. "I'm a dinosaur to
the Democratic Party..white, southern, vereran, male senior. Party leaders
like Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, Karen Finney, etal make that blatantly
apparent. I would like to have my ilk shown a tiny bit of respect by the
leaders of the Hillary campaign. " He also warns them he may vote Trump. -
2016 January (This was before a single vote was cast in the primary, with a
ton of people running against Trump, so this patriot already guessed in
January that Trump would become the nominee)

WJC从CICSO拿了25.5万刀演讲费,两个月国务院就投桃报李地还了人情。
EMAILID 4383 Bill Clinton (WJC) was doing a paid speech for 255K for CISCO.
Two months after Bill was offered this opportunity, the Department of State
gave CISCO an for Corporate Excellence. They clearly excelled at paying the
Clintons. Email also shows they were very afraid of FOIA requests and things
like this becoming public without proper damage control.

2015年的时候,CNBC的记者John Harwood跟Podesta讨论他在初选上攻击川普。
EMAILID 4303 Crooked journalist of the rigged MSM media reports straight to
John Podesta about how he attacked Donald Trump in one of the GOP debates as
moderator. - 2015 before they even knew Trump was the nominee...

FBI/DOJ的调查组让他放心,会妥善处理对他的调查,并会向公众保密。
EMAILID 4513 Now this is interesting. John Podesta is being told that he
will be in good hands because the FBI/DOJ team assigned to his case will
keep things confidential What was the case, the public is not allowed to
know about?: "To: John Podesta From: Blake Gottesman September 2008 "John /
Chris: Thanks for your time on the call. As discussed, the White House will
now excuse itself from the process unless/until you ask us to re-engage for
any reason. You're in good hands. Brian Benczkowski (cc'd) and the DOJ/FBI
team are committed to making sure the process is efficient and confidential.
"

希拉里团队准备周四开会讨论怎么攻击桑德斯最有效。
EMAILID 5267 Plans for a Thursday meeting about how to best attack Bernie
Sanders. "Sanders Agenda: · Review of top hits · Discussion of how we'd
like to frame Bernie · Top stories we need to land · Campaign stance on
hitting Bernie/tone" Discussion during this meeting also included : "·
Tactics on attacks: what should go through HRC, surrogates, DNC, CTR" Which
attacks should go through Crooked Hillary personally (HRC) and what should
go CTR (Correct The Record, a PAC). This email is further proof of
coordination between CTR and the Hillary campaign since they discuss which
attacks to distribute where.

希拉里的推特是由团队来撰写和发布的。
EMAILID 5270 Even Hillary's tweets are not her own creations, much like her
public positions or prepared remarks. The staff is planning them out days in
advance complete with (75) type bracketed numbers showing their
unimpressive length.

希拉里团队的高级官员John Halpin和Jennifer Palmieri嘲笑天主教和福音教的信徒。
还进一步攻击默多克在约旦河(耶稣基督在这条河里受洗)给儿子受洗是件多么悖时落
后的行为。
EMAILID 4364 Top Clinton aides, John Halpin and Jennifer Palmieri mock
Catholics for their faith. Complain about the large number of Catholics in
prominent positions. According to John Halpin, to be a Catholic is "an
amazing bastardization of the faith. They must be attracted to the
systematic thought and severely backwards gender relations". John Podesta
who is also included in this email chain, does not say anything (he is
reported as Catholic by the media).

如果拉力观众少于100人,希拉里团队会没收手机并禁止媒体参加。
EMAILID 5240 We know Hillary events have small crowds. She always had the
smallest crowds even smaller than Bernie. But now we know many of the
Crooked Campaign events were so small that the following policy was proposed
: "Less than 100 people - NO cell phones, NO press. Over 100 people YES
cell phones, and ONE print pooler will be escorted in for her remarks only
and then escorted out. NO tv cameras. " That's right folks they are talking
about CONFISCATING MOBILE DEVICES, so the embarrassingly small crowds OF
UNDER 100 people could never be reported. Complete artificial manufactured
reality. "Huma spoke to HRC and she agreed with this plan". Hillary for
phone confiscations!

记者Brent Budowski和Podesta讨论竞选方针,透露他了解的希拉里对手的信息,并主
动表示为了希拉里写枪文。
EMAILID 6453 Media lapdog Brent Budowski writes to John Podesta: "am not
going to raise this publicly, but one of HRC's opponents will soon charge
that she is running an "imperial campaign." If it is the right opponent,
Democrat or Republican, the charge will resonate." Yes. This supposed
journalist is discussing strategy with the chairman of the Hillary Clinton
campaign. Giving him information and warnings about things he learned from
other sources most likely off the record. Extreme collusion between the
media and Crooked's staff. But wait, there is more! He is asking permission
from Podesta to write parts of an article: "BTW, I may doing an Elizabeth
Warren column soon. If I write that my optimum scenario would be for
Elizabeth to ultimately give a big endorsement to HRC and give the keynote
speech at the Convention, totally off the record, would that give you a
problem? It would be my personal opinion only, but if you have a problem
with my suggesting this as my idea, I won't tell anyone and I won't include
it, deferring to you" John Podesta responds to the email, and grants
permission for the journalist to write the story as originally planned.

希拉里团队在拜登团队安排了内线。
EMAILID 5690 Remember how Clinton staff had moles on Elizabeth Warren's team
? Seems they had one in Biden's camp as well. Someone who helped to destroy
Biden in return for a position. Ron Klain writes to Podesta: "It's been a
little hard for me to play such a role in the Biden demise - and I am
definitely dead to them -- but I'm glad to be on Team HRC, and glad that she
had a great debate last night. Thanks John."

EMAILID 9938 - Some Clinton Foundation shadiness "RE: WJC call about cci/
climate issues"

Podesta讨论拜登是否会参加2016大选。
EMAILID 9339 John Podesta:"Some speculation that Biden will run because of
Beau's loss. I think that would be a little crazy and sad but you never know
. I like him and grieve for him and hope he doesn't do it for his sake."

希拉里参选过程中,WSJ准备做一场付费演讲。Mook希望取消这场演讲以免影响团队形
象,但担心希拉里会舍不得演讲费。
EMAILID 9290 WJC (Bill Clinton) is doing a paid speech when Hillary's
campaign is already in progress. Robby Mook wants the speech cancelled
because it will look good, but he knows that's not the answer Hillary wants
(too greedy according to mook?) " I know this is not the answer she wants,
but I feel very strongly that doing the speech is a mistake--the data are
very clear on the potential consequences. It will be three days after she's
announced and on her first day in Iowa, where caucus goes have a sharply
more negative view of Wall Street than the rest of the electorate. Wall
Street ranks first for Iowans among a list of institutions that "take
advantage of every day Americans" "

被销毁的邮件中疑似包括奥巴马的违法证据。
EMAILID 9545 From John Podesta to Cheryl Mills "Think we should hold emails
to and from potus? That's the heart of his exec privilege. We could get them
to ask for that. They may not care, but I seems like they will. " Wasn't
Mills one of the people granted immunity by the FBI in the email case? (yes
she was) This email strongly implies Barack Obama sent and received emails
which were responsive to the subpoena in this case so they are discussing
turning them over. Mills wanted to "hold" them, avoiding turning them over.
They also talk about contacting the White House to "get them to ask for
executive privilege". Very interesting development if they in fact discussed
this issue with the WH. That would mean Obama's full involvement in the
email scandal/private server issue.

希拉里团队想制造一种她有大量小额捐献者的假象。
EMAILID 9193 Plans to create an impression that Hillary has small donors to
counteract the image that she is bought by people with "huge checks" (she is
): "I think it could be powerful to use DipJars to galvanize small $
donations to send a strong message that there is grassroots support for
Hillary at a time when she is being painted as a candidate only supported
with huge checks." In this second part the use the names of donors that we
provide sounds like they are planning to enter fake names as donor info,
instead of the names of people who actually donated into the DipJars?
Otherwise why should the names "be provided" ? "Last summer, there was
concern from the campaign about the inability to capture employer
information from the donors. However if you keep the suggested dollar amount
low ($20 and below) and use the names of donors that we provide, you could
easily ensure that nobody is going beyond the legal limits."

Gonzalo Curiel(和Trump发生过冲突的那个法官)的妻子和John Podesta的私人关系
很好。
EMAILID 10205 Gonzalo Curiel the totally unbiased judge (who is a member of
is a member of a "La Raza" Lawyers Association) is ruling over a case where
Trump is sued. Curiel also has a wife who is apparently raving about John
Podesta, the campaign manager of Crooked Hillary Clinton. Teresa L. Amott
wrote this to Podesta "Carolyn Curiel was just here with a group of Purdue
students that visited the debate site. She and I exchanged raves about the
two of you." Podesta replies "Wow! Small world."

国务院帮希拉里掩盖私删邮件的罪行
EMAILID 9272 Email production in response to a congressional subpoena by the
Benghazi Committee. State must produce some emails to the committee which
will reveal Hillary either deleted or failed to turn over some emails with
Sidney Blumenthal. Nick Merrill is colluding with the State Department and
wants to discuss with everyone how to best spin this story before it breaks.
: "Just spoke to State a little more about this. A few updates. They do not
plan to release anything publicly, so no posting online or anything public-
facing, just to the committee. That said, they are considering placing a
story with a friendly at the AP (Matt Lee or Bradley Klapper)" They are
using friendly journalists at the AP to plant stories that are good for
Hillary. The State Department is doing this for Hillary who is a private
citizen at this time. "On that last piece, we think it would make sense to
work with State and the AP to deploy the below.. It would be good to frame
this a little, and frankly to have it break tomorrow when we'll likely be
close to or in the midst of a SCOTUS decision taking over the news hyenas."
State Department was running everything by the Hillary campaign and
colluding with them even before responding to the congressional subpoena.
Doesn't look much like regular way of responding to a subpoena.

希拉里密会黑命贵活动家,讨论性工作者,大麻无罪化,以及监狱中黑人数量高,比如
这段
“QUESTION: So, we do not want to be arresting and convicting more people.
We do not want to make the prisoner --
HILLARY CLINTON: Even the people that kill —“
EMAILID 10095 This looks highly interesting, transcript of a meeting of
Crooked Hillary with BLM activists: "Please note that this was not a public
event, so a tight hold on the attached transcript. Thank you all." The
transcript shows that Hillary supports the "idea of the legalization" of sex
work. Must be another one of those private position, public position cases.

EMAILID 7860 This is an oldie but goodie. 2008 primary time against Obama.
Podesta, Paul Begala and others are designing a survey, which contains hits,
negative facts on Obama that they wanted to spread. Contains such items as:
"5 Obama (owe-BAHM-uh) plans to raise taxes by 180 (one hundred and eighty)
billion dollars a year to pay for his government-run health care plan" but
now Hillary loves Obamacare of course. They also attacked Obama's drug use "
15 Obama (owe-BAHM-uh) described his former use of cocaine as using "a
little blow." but they were trying to spread this most of all: "7 Obama (owe
-BAHM-uh)'s father was a Muslim and Obama grew up among Muslims in the world
's most populous Islamic country." So they were actively spreading Obama's
Muslim connections, everyone was involved in this, Podesta, Begala and the
rest of them. So to put it in terms they might understand: Hillary and these
other racists were trying to smear and delegitimize the first black
president before he was even elected!!

美联社记者Julie Pace为了希拉里团队写枪文。
EMAILID 7489 We have another confirmed shill, who pretends to be a
journalist at the AP. Her name is Julie Pace, the "White House Correspondent
" LOL. She writes to John Podesta about some spin she thought of, and BEGS
Podesta for something, anything to back that up. All so she can get people
to believe the spin. This is about Crooked Hillary running for POTUS :"The
sense I get in talking to people is that it was a long process and something
she really went back and forth on in contrast to what people might think
about this being an inevitable campaign. But I’m in need of some more
detail to back that up. Without that, I fear this is just going to look like
a campaign spin job and no one is going to actually believe it." Julie Pace
really takes being a shill to the next level.

在初选开始投票前,某些州,比如新泽西州,就已经做好局让希拉里取胜。
EMAILID 9846 Seems in some states the game was rigged against Bernie, months
before primary voting ever started. In 2015 September this email assures
the Clinton campaign that Bernie or Biden will lose in N.J. for sure. Poor
sucker Bernie never had a chance. : "John, Huma, Just had lunch with the
Chairman and his top advisor Bill Maer. Both stressed the importance of
giving the Chair his reassurances for the captioned . Presently the Chair
has given the line to Hillary in 20 of the 21 counties which only assures
that Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders will not be a factor in N.J. Also, all of the
major city mayors are aligned with us as well. With this being the
commitment , I feel that you ,John, as head of the national campaign should
discuss the process directly with Chairman Currie. He and his outstanding ,
loyal staff , deserve that courtesy. I will be introducing the N.J. STATE
COMMITTEE LEADERSHIP /HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT TEAM to the Secretary , Thursday
night. They are fully committed . They will proceed with the joint
fundraising agreement . John has the support of Cory Booker, Bob Menendez,
Bill Pascrell, all of the most critical county chairs, mayors and
legislative leaders. We must always agree that respect is mutually
beneficial. Let`s wrap this up as we have key fundraisers ready to go."
Bernie was cheated against in various ways, he never got the debate
questions in advance like Hillary did and yet he still endorsed Crooked.
Weak!

如果希拉里败选,奥巴马的损失会很大。
EMAIL ID 2960 - The stakes are "pretty damn high" for Obama if Clinton doesn
't win the election.

EMAIL ID 10227 - Clinton Foundation doesn't turn down questionable donors,
they just pre-prepare talking points if caught (see attachment).

希拉里支持化石燃料的使用,嘲笑环保主义反对者。
EMAILID 9617 - Transcript of Building Trades Union (Keystone XL) meeting on
September 9, 2015, where Clinton states:
"...my view is I want to defend natural gas."
"[Environmentalist protestors] come to my rallies and they yell at me and,
you know, all the rest of it. They say, 'Will you promise never to take any
fossil fuels out of the earth ever again?' No. I won't promise that. Get a
life, you know."
"[Environmentalist protestors] scream at me, and all the rest of that: 'Stop
extracting fossil fuels, stop extracting on public lands, come out against
nuclear, coal' you name it. They are after everything and I'm just talking
through them. And of course they go support somebody else. That's fine and I
don't particularly care. But I do think I have to say, look, given
everything else we have to do in this country, this is not an issue for me
that I'm going to say I support. I want to work on other stuff."
Honestly, the news headlines should be reading。
Hillary Clinton 'doesn't particularly care' if environmentalists 'go support
somebody else', wants to 'work on other stuff'

Podesta会见SuperPAC(违反选举法)。
EMAILID 6225 Podesta meets with super PACS (Priorities USA and CTR) at law
firm (Perkins Coie LLP.) We are good to meet with Priorities and CTR—both
at Perkins. Preference for what time for each?

疑似讨论暗杀大法官斯科拉的计划。
EMAILID 6008 Suspicious talk about assassination three days before the death
of Antonin Scalia."Didn't think wet works meant pool parties at the
Vineyard."
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zt: "两个烂苹果,哪个都不选"是H派迄今最成功的阴谋.  ---寄语逍遥派/中间派/摇摆派.

  在媒体舆论上,"两个烂苹果"或"骗子VS流氓"或"说谎者VS疯子"或"厌H并非必是川粉",因此哪个都不选, 等等类似的说法比比皆是,影响甚广,而且赢得不少中间派摇摆派的认可.

  其实这都是希团队智囊出的阴谋, 而且是迄今为止杀伤力最大的一招. 

我在单位对35人(全部非华人)作过民意调查,其中不少人坚定接受此说法,也有数人明显受此说法影响.(另有两个中国人说, 都不好,都不要.)

  希团队这一招表面看似是"公平"地两边都骂,给人以无倾向性的公正感觉,但其本意却是希团队退而求其次, 对川普暗藏极大杀伤力. 属于杀敌1000,自损200的好买卖.

第一, 对于两边的铁粉群, "两个烂苹果"的说词, 均都不会改变他们的意向.

第二, 因为希拉里知道,对于痛恨自己,厌恶自己的那些人, 根本不可能有希望争取到他们,因此只要能使他们不去支持对手,就是胜利.

具体手法就是:来个轻伤自己却害人入骨的损招,对那些摇摆中间派, 特别是痛恨希拉里的那些人, 他们本来完全有可能转投川谱, 但 "两个烂苹果"的宣传却能让他们(1)放弃投票等于不帮助川普)(2)投票给第三方(等于变相地不帮助川普)

第三, 为选票大规模作弊作准备,如果大家(选民)百分百地参与投票,他们作弊难度将较大(还是能,例如 改选票),但至少他们不能通过增加额外的假选票来作弊(总不能搞出最后的投票率达到115%的笑话吧). 但是,假如投票率不到100%,他们可以通过增加假选票来轻易改变结果,(例如:实际投票人数只达到60%,他们就有增加40%假票的余地了)

第四,"烂苹果之说"目的就是把他降格到与她成一类. 而这两人根本不是同类, 区别在于:维护者VS毁坏者.

  美国这座大厦, 希拉里一方面要增加更多的白蚁般的吃福利族来从内部啃噬大厦结构;另一方面疯狂地引入更多占领族入侵来直接拆毁大厦整体. 所以,希是个毁坏者,30年拆毁经验确实丰富, 越多的经验,拆的也越快.

  而川普 是个装修师傅,动机简单直接, 维护美国大厦的屹立不倒, 虽然可能经验不足, 但他会努力作好. 而且退一步说, 即使不能加固大厦, 他什么都不作,至少也不会继续主动毁坏大厦. 

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--拜托这里的川普支持者帮忙广为转贴, 尤其是英文坛,点醒那些逍遥派中间派摇摆派.

--我英文不好, 拜托同路者将我的意见转达给川普团队, 毕竟现在没法利用左倾的新闻媒体广为传播,希望寄托在第三次辩论有所帮助,尤其是彭斯在RALLY时出面讲这一点,效果会更好. 

redhermit 发表于 10/15/2016 7:50:04 PM
说的很对!

其实这个手法我们中国人一点都不新鲜,在国内时领教多了。
含笑的猫
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哈哈,希拉里是在背书川普嘛!!!

Hillary Wall St. Speech: Says she wants "successful business people" to run for office because they can "never be bought"

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dingdingdddd
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除了筹款创纪录,
黑人支持率也在上升。
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dingdingdddd
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特朗普两个新推,一个是国务院指示FBI为希拉里提供竞选便利,另一个是希拉里挪用税款来为自己竞选。


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这个Donald Trump for President账号不是Trump 本人


特朗普两个新推,一个是国务院指示FBI为希拉里提供竞选便利,另一个是希拉里挪用税款来为自己竞选。




dingdingdddd 发表于 10/16/2016 12:27:46 AM


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dingdingdddd
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怪不得奥巴马这么火急火燎不要形象替希拉里拉选票,怪不得民主党建制派死心塌地死保希拉里,原来民主党就是个大犯罪集团,奥巴马就是个幕后大黑手,他早在2012年就大面积作弊,干脏活得心应手。他不敢退,否则黑幕揭开,谁也跑不掉,他们人人手上有血,只能铁板一块一条道路走到黑,杀了人怎么办,灭满门,就不会有人喊冤。
2012年大选舞弊的证据。
(1)佛州的棕榈海滩县,141%投票率;
(2)俄州木头县,98213选民,106258张选票;
(3)俄州另一县,得到了108%选民支持。
(4)12年费城好几十个选区罗姆尼一票都没有(Odd? Romney Got ZERO Votes In 59 Precincts in Philly, and 9 Precincts in Ohio);
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garry
10012 楼
我真希望trump当选后 把黑八和希拉里绳之以法
含笑的猫
10013 楼
Hillary says Nurses are OVERPAID MAIDS and GLORIFIED BABYSITTERS. This woman has NO RESPECT for our Nurses. No respect for our people.
千堆雪
10014 楼
人民群众太有才了

含笑的猫
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Emails show Bloomberg wants to be Clinton’s secretary of state

Secretary of State Bloomberg? It’s not unthinkable.

A confidant of Mike Bloomberg floated to a top Hillary Clinton adviser the idea of giving the former mayor the Cabinet post, according to a batch of e-mails released Saturday by WikiLeaks.

Clinton aide Neera Tanden asked Howard Wolfson — a current Bloomberg consultant and former deputy mayor — in a June 3, 2015, e-mail whether the former mayor was seriously considering a run for president.

Tanden had spotted a tweet by top Bloomberg strategist Kevin Sheekey citing a June 2 Post column by Michael Goodwin that revealed that New York Democrats had approached Bloomberg to challenge Clinton.

“What is up?” Tanden asked Wolfson, who worked as Clinton’s spokesman during her 2008 presidential bid.

The message was sent eight minutes after Sheekey’s tweet linking to Goodwin’s column was posted.

Wolfson, who hosted a fundraiser for Clinton in May, sought to reassure Tanden that Bloomberg didn’t seek to challenge the former first lady.

“I find the whole thing laughable,” he responded.

“Ok good I was worried you were losing it,” Tanden replied.

She then asked what Bloomberg would want to do in a Clinton administration.

Tanden floated an ambassadorship to China but worried it might be “way too small” for the media magnate, her e-mail said.

Wolfson countered with a bigger title: secretary of state, but mused that it “ain’t gonna happen.”

But the Clinton camp was dead serious about the exchange and Bloomberg’s ambitions. The entire e-mail chain was forwarded by Tanden to Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta.

She added the note, “Something to know for down the road.”

Wolfson backed off his earlier e-mails, telling The Post on Saturday that the only job in politics that interested Bloomberg was the presidency.

“I think Mike made it pretty clear that the job he wanted was the top job,” Wolfson said.

Bloomberg thinks Henry Kissinger would make a good choice for secretary of state, Wolfson added.

The three-term mayor has lusted after the White House since 2006 and came closest to launching a bid in January when he asked his advisers to analyze the viability of an independent run.

But Bloomberg backed down two months later, saying in an announcement, “If I entered the race, I could not win.”

Clinton reached out to Bloomberg shortly after his decision, according to a March 11, 2016, e-mail from Clinton aide Huma Abedin to Podesta, which WikiLeaks released Saturday.

The Democratic presidential nominee has revealed little about who she would stuff in her Cabinet, saying only that she would fill half the positions with women and consider tech leaders for posts.

The e-mails released Saturday contained thousands of communiques between top aides, including excerpts from Clinton’s speeches to Wall Street banks, discussions on how to defend the former secretary of state’s use of a private e-mail server, and early plans to lay the groundwork of her 2016 run.

In one e-mail chain, Clinton aides whined that the press was not taking the Democratic nominee’s apologies for using a private server seriously.

“Everyone wants her to apologize. And she should. Apologies are like her Achilles heel,” Tanden said in a September 2015 e-mail to Podesta.

Podesta, in a August 2015 e-mail to Clinton, urged her to “bury the hatchet” with former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson even though he endorsed Barack Obama over Clinton in 2008 and “can be a d- -k.”

Clinton’s campaign Saturday did not address the veracity of the e-mails WikiLeaks has released, but blamed the Russian government for the hack and compared the cyberspying to the Watergate break-in.

http://nypost.com/2016/10/15/bloomberg-wants-to-be-clintons-secretary-of-state-emails-reveal/
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Dohremi
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刚捐钱了。第二次捐。希望老唐能赢。深蓝州,左右同事都是绿绿,一个还是叙利亚来的,上班完全不敢谈政治。
公司说了,将来要主要招黑墨,提拔黑墨。住的地方附近传了几起持枪抢劫,都是抢华人。这里还算是好学区。
也许将来还是得回国。
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拉力现场
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拉力现场
suibianqi 发表于 10/16/2016 2:45:18 AM
Pathetic!!!
BTW, how many people are paid audience?
唐伯虎点蚊香
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坐标

刚捐钱了。第二次捐。希望老唐能赢。深蓝州,左右同事都是绿绿,一个还是叙利亚来的,上班完全不敢谈政治。
公司说了,将来要主要招黑墨,提拔黑墨。住的地方附近传了几起持枪抢劫,都是抢华人。这里还算是好学区。
也许将来还是得回国。
Dohremi 发表于 10/16/2016 2:43:26 AM


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含笑的猫
10020 楼
泡软这个披着和党外衣的猪党人,终于露出真面目了!竟然替猪党辩护,说猪党没有象船长说的那样准备在大选作弊!TMD,睁眼说瞎话的叛徒和小人!你干脆挑明自己的猪党身份吧!

ZT:Paul Ryan驳斥Trump关于大选主党作弊的说法,坚信投票过程会公平公正

主党卧底泡软撕开了伪装,继续向Trump开火,彻底和主党穿一条裤子, 一个鼻孔出气。

这点出息当年是怎么选上和党VP Candidate和house speaker的?

Paul Ryan Dismisses Trump Claims, Remains ‘Confident’ Election Won’t Be
Rigged

“Speaker of the House Paul Ryan has refuted Donald Trump’s claims that the
upcoming presidential election will be rigged against him, saying that he
is “confident” that there will be no foul play in the electoral process.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/15/paul-ryan-dismisses-trump-claims-remains-confident-election-wont-be-rigged/

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dingdingdddd
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从S1搬运回帖:

Paypal创始人,RNC上唯一给川普站台的硅谷大佬,还是GAY
笑什么笑,剥夺你基佬资格151
http://www.advocate.com/commenta ... een-gay-sex-and-gay
“Peter Thiel向我们展示了搅基和基还是有区别的。”
“这是一个和其他男人发生性行为的男人,但他真的是gay吗?”
文中给出了答案:

By the logic of gay liberation, Thiel is an example of a man who has sex with other men, but not a gay man.

根据同志解放(运动)的逻辑,Thiel是一个鲜明的搅基但不是基的例子。
周愚 发表于 2016-10-16 22:14
笑什么笑,剥夺你基佬资格
http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2016/10/14/peter-thiel-shows-us- ...

惊了,开除給籍
话说,这文下面的评论,一群白左好像都无法接受这个逻辑……
啊哈哈哈哈白左说好的self-identify呢,说你不是gay你就不是gay啦
惊了!开除基籍!
万万没想到,多年基佬因为投川居然还会被鉴直。
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继续搬运:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11915
希拉里阵营讨论是否应该接纳外国政府游说者的政治献金
We really need make a policy decision on this soon - whether we are allowing those lobbying on behalf of foreign governments to raise $ for the campaign. Or case by case.

一开始讨论的结果是:
The policy would be to not allow any currently registered foreign agents (those who register with FARA) to contribute or raise for the campaign. If someone terminates their registration, they would be allowed to contribute or raise for the campaign.

“已经根据《外国代理人注册法案》表明过境外势力身份的人当然不能让他们为我们捐款或募金,但如果他们的注册身份取消了,当然就可以。”
结果很快火急火燎地回复了:
Hi all – we do need to make a decision on this ASAP as our friends who happen to be registered with FARA are already donating and raising.

“我们得尽快下决定,因为我们一些正巧注册过身份的朋友们已经在捐款募金了。”
I do want to push back a bit (it’s my job!): I feel like we are leaving a good amount of money on the table (both for primary and general, and then DNC and state parties)… and how do we explain to people that we’ll take money from a corporate lobbyist but not them; that the Foundation takes $ from foreign govts but we now won’t.

“我觉得这可是在把一笔不小的钱放在桌上(不拿)啊……而且我们怎么跟这些人解释,我们愿意拿企业游说者的钱,却不肯拿他们的钱?我们怎么解释,(克林顿)基金会收着外国政府的钱,而我们现在却不愿?”
于是他们最终决定……
Marc made a convincing case to me this am that these sorts of restrictions don't really get you anything...that Obama actually got judged MORE harshly as a result. He convinced me. So...in a complete U-turn, I'm ok just taking the money and dealing with any attacks. Are you guys ok with that?

“Marc刚对我说得很有道理,这样的限制其实根本得不到什么好处……奥巴马当初(限制了)结果还被骂了。他说服我了。所以……我现在有了180度的态度变化:我觉得拿钱然后被攻击可以接受。你们同意否?”
于是:
Take the money!!

“拿钱咯!!”

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dingdingdddd
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CNN以为它是谁?除了它,其他人转维基泄密,看维基泄密就非法?哦法律是揩屁股纸头啊,居然能这么用。
对了,非法移民呢?
CNN says it's ILLEGAL for you to read the Wikileaks/Hillary Clinton emails
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DcATG9Qy_A
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smilemm
10024 楼
CNN以为它是谁?除了它,其他人转维基泄密,看维基泄密就非法?哦法律是揩屁股纸头啊,居然能这么用。
对了,非法移民呢?
CNN says it's ILLEGAL for you to read the Wikileaks/Hillary Clinton emails
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DcATG9Qy_A

dingdingdddd 发表于 10/16/2016 12:54:32 PM 感觉深深的绝望
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dingdingdddd
10025 楼
希拉里侮辱天主教杂种事件可能导致默多克反水,凤凰周刊这样的媒体居然登载反希拉里文章,全文照搬:
连《华尔街日报》也受够了媒体对2016年总统竞选有偏见的报道,而指出媒体有偏见的正是《华尔街日报》编辑委员会的成员吉姆伯利-斯特拉塞尔。
正如斯特拉塞尔指出得那样,打开电视没有听到特朗普“下流”评论,这几乎是不可能的,与之形成鲜明对比的是,媒体对希拉里的报道都一致地忽略了各种各样的网站、自由信息法文件以及联邦调查局采访中存在的“枪林弹雨”。
如果普通选民本周打开电视看了持续五分钟,那么他们必定会知道唐纳德-特朗普十年前发表了下流评论而现在又被指控性侵女性。但是即使普通选民全天候开着电视,他们仍可能完全没看到与希拉里-克林顿有关的这条新闻——美国相关部门已经有充足的证据证明她存在不当行为。
证据来自于网络上公布的大量被黑客获取的电邮、根据《自由信息法》发布的文件以及联邦调查局内部人员的说明等。而媒体几乎不约而同地忽略了这些枪林弹雨,偏爱把头版头条用于讲述特朗普的故事。现在让我们来看看什么能毁灭克林顿总统梦。
当然希拉里丑闻的清单也不短,但是最大的一个丑闻是她动用了私人电邮服务器以及之后尽管收到国会传票但仍故意清除联邦记录。

从2015年6月LinkedIn前法律顾问艾莉卡-罗滕伯格写给克林顿助手的一封电邮说起。艾莉卡在信中写道,她的朋友圈里没有一位律师“能够理解利用私人服务器传输安全文件如何能够被视为合适以及为何希拉里能够自作主张对它们进行审查并删除文件”。艾莉卡还补充道:“这听起来就像凌驾法律之上的行为,而这种行为听起来也像行为人要么被惩罚,要么被罚款。”
几个月后,在一封2015年9月的电邮中,克林顿的闺蜜焦虑不安地表示,克林顿太固执以至于不承认她的行为不当。智囊机构美国进步中心的主席尼拉-谭登写道:“每一个人都想要她道歉,而且她也应该道歉。但是道歉对于她而言就像死穴。”
就在技术人员发现克林顿的私人电邮前三周,克林顿的助手们还曾讨论如何逃避针对这些电邮的国会传票。其团队之后聘请了一个焦点小组探讨“能够引导美国人认为这起电邮丑闻是班加西调查的一部分并且将此掩饰为共和党阴谋”的方法。
与此同时,福克斯新闻近日援引联邦调查局内部人士的话报道称,绝大多数为希拉里如何应对这起丑闻出谋划策的人们都认为她应该被起诉,但是他们也希望针对克林顿的安全调查能够被撤除。
这位匿名消息人士还称,美国联邦调查局局长詹姆斯-科米7月5日还宣布他不会向总检察长办公室建议起诉这位前国务卿,此举令调查小组的其它成员感到沮丧和反感。超过100名联邦调查员探员、分析师以及司法部国家安全部门、反间谍科的六名检查官夜以继日地调查这起案件。
匿名人士称:“没有哪个参与审判的律师同意,没有哪个参与调查的所有探员同意。但是不予起诉是高层作出的决定。”
联邦调查局某高级官员还告诉福克斯新闻,尽管这可能不是一致决定,但是我们都想要针对克林顿的安全调查被撤销。“可以说,我们绝大多数都觉得她应该被起诉,当听到联邦调查局的汇报时,我们也大吃一惊,因为科米阐明了一切,最后却说我们将什么也不做。这对我们而言简直是不可思议。”

《华尔街日报》指出,奥巴马政府看起来是克林顿竞选团队的一部分,国务院和司法部都频繁地向希拉里的工作人员提供针对希拉里不当行为的机密刑事调查的最新进展信息。
纳税人供养的奥巴马政府却充当着克林顿竞选团队的后援。国务院与希拉里工作人员一道回应电邮丑闻,而司法部不断向其团队传达诉讼案件的最新进展。
更糟糕的是,根据《自由信息法》获取的文件显示,克林顿领导的国务院特别照顾向克林顿基金会捐款的捐助者们。在2010年的一系列电邮中,克林顿的高级助理让基金会工作人员告诉她参与海地地震援助的哪些组织是“比尔的朋友”。而那些被精挑细选出来的组织看起来已经获得了相关合同。
泄露的电邮显示了基金会实际上是影响力和金钱的联结。克林顿健康倡议组织的负责人伊拉-玛咖泽娜在一封2011年的电邮中表示,比尔-克林顿让沙特阿拉伯的穆罕默德酋长感谢他给他用了飞机。作为回应,克林顿基金会的高级官员写道:“除非穆罕默德酋长给我们一张600万美元的支票,否则这不可能发生。”
斯特拉塞尔还直接将矛头对准了媒体,并且承认邮件泄露还表明媒体已经站在了克林顿的一边。尽管网络上公布的电邮已经展示了克林顿和媒体有着大量合作,但是其给人们带来的震撼可能远不及当他们听到“在辩论前,民主党全国委员会主席唐娜-布拉齐尔将CNN记者将在辩论会场向希拉里提出的问题一字不差地发给希拉里”这个消息时所感到的震惊。
其他媒体也允许克林顿竞选团队选出他们在接受采访时所说的哪些话不要被引用到报道中,与此同时它们还致力于最大化克林顿的新闻发布会的影响力,并提供竞选建议。
克林顿已经显露出她是一位没有核心立场,不断改变立场以最大化政治利益的人。泄露的言论证明了她对银行有两个立场,一个是公开的,一个是私人的,对富豪也有两个立场,对边界线也有两个立场,对能源问题也有两个立场。她的团队总是无休止地在讨论她应该采取哪个立场才能取悦“红军”。
最后,斯特拉塞尔还总结道,“选民们可能不知道这些,因为尽管两位总统候选人都有很多需要回应的问题,但是媒体仅仅把聚光灯对准了特朗普。就这点而言,媒体工作起来确实很勤奋”。
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cindy2012
10026 楼
尼玛刚才敲门来了位民主党扫街的~~~
含笑的猫
10027 楼
CNN以为它是谁?除了它,其他人转维基泄密,看维基泄密就非法?哦法律是揩屁股纸头啊,居然能这么用。
对了,非法移民呢?
CNN says it's ILLEGAL for you to read the Wikileaks/Hillary Clinton emails
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DcATG9Qy_A

dingdingdddd 发表于 10/16/2016 12:54:32 PM
CNN已经臭了满大街啦!
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sunflowerz
10028 楼
其实华人中支持希拉里的很多。就我身边认识的人,全部都是留学出来,有decent job,住在好学区的新移民,我不认识龙虾党偷渡客之流。但是每天微信群里面都大量的有为希拉里造势的转发,或是骂trump的帖子。朋友圈也多是这类的文章。几乎没有看到有人转发为trump造势的帖子,只有零星几个人在群里说过支持trump,支持trump的那几个平时也从来不转发任何对trump有利的东西。当然你们可以说还有“沉默的大多数”。可惜假设不表态的人就是支持trump的是ridiculous。每天被民主党帖子大量长期的洗脑,凭什么假设那些人是你们这边的?
你们这样每天把这么多information发在这里,受众只不过是那一小搓已经做好决定的人。纯属自high。
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ScottishFold
10030 楼
千堆雪
10031 楼
千堆雪
10032 楼
其实华人中支持希拉里的很多。就我身边认识的人,全部都是留学出来,有decent job,住在好学区的新移民,我不认识龙虾党偷渡客之流。但是每天微信群里面都大量的有为希拉里造势的转发,或是骂trump的帖子。朋友圈也多是这类的文章。几乎没有看到有人转发为trump造势的帖子,只有零星几个人在群里说过支持trump,支持trump的那几个平时也从来不转发任何对trump有利的东西。当然你们可以说还有“沉默的大多数”。可惜假设不表态的人就是支持trump的是ridiculous。每天被民主党帖子大量长期的洗脑,凭什么假设那些人是你们这边的?
你们这样每天把这么多information发在这里,受众只不过是那一小搓已经做好决定的人。纯属自high。
sunflowerz 发表于 10/16/2016 1:31:35 PM

被洗脑的人是自愿被洗脑,这里发的信息也都是从公共信息渠道转载的,我们能获得,被洗的也能获得,但是希粉选择性失明,你以为发给他们看就能改变他们?pay to play的只能用钱改变 and you can't fix stupid.
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lilpurple
10033 楼
其实华人中支持希拉里的很多。就我身边认识的人,全部都是留学出来,有decent job,住在好学区的新移民,我不认识龙虾党偷渡客之流。但是每天微信群里面都大量的有为希拉里造势的转发,或是骂trump的帖子。朋友圈也多是这类的文章。几乎没有看到有人转发为trump造势的帖子,只有零星几个人在群里说过支持trump,支持trump的那几个平时也从来不转发任何对trump有利的东西。当然你们可以说还有“沉默的大多数”。可惜假设不表态的人就是支持trump的是ridiculous。每天被民主党帖子大量长期的洗脑,凭什么假设那些人是你们这边的?
你们这样每天把这么多information发在这里,受众只不过是那一小搓已经做好决定的人。纯属自high。
sunflowerz 发表于 10/16/2016 1:31:35 PM

来来来说说你们在微信群里转发造声势的文章,都是怎么说为什么要选希拉里的?老太太身体健康为人正直严守国家机密捍卫中产和华人利益?
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ScottishFold
10034 楼
Trey Gowdy Shocks The Media Then Walks Off Like A Boss

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ScottishFold
10035 楼
I will say it again if you did not pay attention before. U.S. Ambassador to Libya Mr. Stevens was in Benghazi because Hillary and the Obama-Nation asked him to go there and then they conspired to kill him for finding out about her sales of arms to the rebels and their recruitment, training and arming of ISIS. Ambassador Stevens was supposed to just go there to give credibility to their mission to push back against the rebels and ISIS and he found evidence of their foul play and informed Obama about Hillary, not knowing the Obama-Nation was in on it too. He was told to stay there and keep tabs on it by Obama and they conspired to assassinate him. But his bodyguard and friend there found out about it and tried to get him out of there when the rebels came but it was too late to run so they entered the safe room in the house and locked it up tight and called for help. 600+ times to no avail. The rebels set fire to the house from the inside and it is not being talked about at all. Hillary came up with the video idea and pushed it as a credible source. Benghazi was as simple as that. The Obama-Nation, the Clinton's and the Saudi Nationals are all in on it.
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ScottishFold
10036 楼
Donald Trump Widens Lead in Daybreak Poll Over Crooked Hillary
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ScottishFold
10037 楼
LEAKED EMAIL: Clinton Campaign Believed Obama Committed Voter Fraud In 2008
http://www.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-election-493995/leaked-email-clinton-campaign-believed-obama-15206583/
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ratzinger
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千堆雪 发表于 10/16/2016 2:18:26 PM
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千堆雪
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HILLARY’S THUGS Spray Paint 20 Cars Outside Trump Rally [Video]

HE DEMOCRATS CLAIM REPUBLICANS ARE “DEPLORABLE”…Yet the supporters of Hillary go around spray painting cars of Trump supporters. Who stoops so low? Who even thinks of doing something so mean spirited…

http://100percentfedup.com/hillarys-thugs-spray-paint-20-cars-outside-trump-rally-video/

大家来看看希粉都是些什么素质,真是不要脸
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ScottishFold
10040 楼
含笑的猫
10041 楼
LEAKED EMAIL: Clinton Campaign Believed Obama Committed Voter Fraud In 2008
http://www.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-election-493995/leaked-email-clinton-campaign-believed-obama-15206583/
ScottishFold 发表于 10/16/2016 2:47:46 PM
坑蒙拐骗杀就是猪党的五项基本原则!!!!
含笑的猫
10042 楼
终于找到了希婆的silent majority!不得不承认,死人比活人多!

千堆雪
10043 楼
RNC内部流出的 poll 虽然不知真假
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/57l6qh/breaking_internal_rnc_
ScottishFold 发表于 10/16/2016 2:51:59 PM
哇,这个消息要是真的,就太振奋人心啦,不管真假,看着舒心
千堆雪
10044 楼
捐了1.25M,赞

SILICON VALLEY SUPERSTAR DOUBLES DOWN ON DONALD TRUMP WITH YUUUGE DONATION!
While most of the Silicon Valley is staunchly against Trump, Peter Thiel is not going with the crowd.

He sees the need for Donald Trump in our country and he is showing his support with a YUGE $1.25 million donation!

http://ilovemyfreedom.org/silicon-valley-superstar-doubles-donald-trump-yuuuge-donation/
含笑的猫
10045 楼
回复 10007楼千堆雪的帖子

继续出钱出力,拉票投票。忽略poll。
千堆雪
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icylava
10047 楼
你的微信圈子看来真是一朵奇葩

其实华人中支持希拉里的很多。就我身边认识的人,全部都是留学出来,有decent job,住在好学区的新移民,我不认识龙虾党偷渡客之流。但是每天微信群里面都大量的有为希拉里造势的转发,或是骂trump的帖子。朋友圈也多是这类的文章。几乎没有看到有人转发为trump造势的帖子,只有零星几个人在群里说过支持trump,支持trump的那几个平时也从来不转发任何对trump有利的东西。当然你们可以说还有“沉默的大多数”。可惜假设不表态的人就是支持trump的是ridiculous。每天被民主党帖子大量长期的洗脑,凭什么假设那些人是你们这边的?
你们这样每天把这么多information发在这里,受众只不过是那一小搓已经做好决定的人。纯属自high。
sunflowerz 发表于 10/16/2016 1:31:35 PM


☆ 发自 iPhone 华人一网 1.11.08
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goldfish
10048 楼
你的微信圈子看来真是一朵奇葩

☆ 发自 iPhone 华人一网 1.11.08

icylava 发表于 10/16/2016 4:18:31 PM
物以类聚,贱人扎堆
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RHSunshine
10049 楼
回复 10005楼含笑的猫的帖子

含笑猫,以下是我的一些所想,抛砖引玉,大家讨论下,加加减减后,你能否转交给川普团队,他们不是在问建议吗?
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RHSunshine
10050 楼
回复 10013楼RHSunshine的帖子

想为川普竞选团队提几点建议,想到哪里写到哪里,希望抛砖引玉。

Stay on offense not defense, just like the second debate. 像那几个女人的指控,就说这些都是false accusations,保留法律追究权利,不要太过多解释,这样就等于take baits, 重点已经转移了,希团队达到了目的,解释就是处在防守中,已在下风,且言多语失,给媒体创造新素材。那么,我们的重点是什么?不花时间去过多纠缠这些对自己不利的东西,就像二次辩论,反攻对方的弱点,一句话,不要被希拉利团队牵着鼻子走,四两拨千斤。我估计还会有莫须有的,其它乱七八糟的东西出来,我们知道他现在take slings and arrows,非常非常不容易。We stand by him.

Use lethal wikileaks ( Podesta and others emails) as best materials to attack. 蛇打七寸,个人感觉这些泄漏的邮件是最强大,最有利的武器,因为这些都是他们自己写的,做的,还有什么比这些反击他们更有力?不过泄漏的邮件很多,需要认真筛选出最有利于我们。个人感觉有几个方面,主要是为突出他们的腐败,各种勾结:Clinton Foundation, Clinton Cash such as pay to play, etc.; 33,000 eleted emails; Benghazi attack (邮件证实是用此attack来分散当时的邮电门事件); 与MSM collusion (爆出所有那些媒体,报纸,记者,moderators与希勾结等等; 于FBI/ DOJ /State Dept.的Collusion; rigged system在初选如何对Bernie的,大选作弊问题?对美国黑人(super predators, 叫尼哥);对墨裔(needy, taco bowl voters); 对天主教,基督教的信徒mock;希拉里支持化石燃料的使用,嘲笑环保主义反对者,这对左们是打击;对everyday Americans的恨,这就是为什么会说出basket of deplorable and irredeemable; losers, basement dwellers…..;另个重点,引用泄露的邮件来支持自己观点,打击对方-希unfit for president,能力没有,身体没有,爱美国没有,爱美国人民没有;犯罪有(卖官,卖铀,卖国),个人感觉,现在可以加上treason这个了。以上这些,要反复说,反复唐。。。。

Campaign platforms/messages 重点应是大多数人最关心的:工作机会;非移(边境安全);法律;秩序;对绿教人ban /严格vetting(国家安全)等,用数据说话,引用泄露邮件,摆事实。如:有关引入绿教在德国的邮件描述,6%的人口,70%的犯罪率,left trail of the misery and mayhem,就这样希还要在FBI都承认无法过滤的情况下,550%将他们引入美国。大概数字也许有些出入。同时,还要指出,奥巴已经引入多少了的数字。再如,希有关开放边境,建立hemisphere的邮件,试想墨西哥,中美洲,南美洲国家的人都去哪里?都是什么人?得多少人?所有的这些,要唐,一直唐。。。

号召所有有良知 爱美国的各族各裔,各党各派的人,美国已到关键的时刻,希是在快马加鞭,头也不回的引导美国在错误的路上奔跑。覆巢之下 ,焉有完卵,民主党们底层的吃福利,开放边界后,你能吃多久,能吃多长时间?中高层的,没有法律,只有独裁的社会,总会被和谐,被牺牲,被出卖,还有伴君如伴虎,想想那些body count吧。

再有两个重要问题,川普人身安全;主党选举作弊,NY, IL, FL, VA已有,如何应对?
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回复10013楼 RHSunshine 的帖子
想为川普竞选团队提几点建议,想到哪里写到哪里,希望抛砖引玉。
Stay on offense not defense, just like the second debate. 像那几个女人的指控,就说这些都是false accusations,保留法律追究权利,不要太过多解释,这样就等于take baits, 重点已经转移了,希团队达到了目的,解释就是处在防守中,已在下风,且言多语失,给媒体创造新素材。那么,我们的重点是什么?不花时间去过多纠缠这些对自己不利的东西,就像二次辩论,反攻对方的弱点,一句话,不要被希拉利团队牵着鼻子走,四两拨千斤。我估计还会有莫须有的,其它乱七八糟的东西出来,我们知道他现在take slings and arrows,非常非常不容易。We stand by him.
Use lethal wikileaks ( Podesta and others emails) as best materials to attack. 蛇打七寸,个人感觉这些泄漏的邮件是最强大,最有利的武器,因为这些都是他们自己写的,做的,还有什么比这些反击他们更有力?不过泄漏的邮件很多,需要认真筛选出最有利于我们。个人感觉有几个方面,主要是为突出他们的腐败,各种勾结:Clinton Foundation, Clinton Cash such as pay to play, etc.; 33,000 eleted emails; Benghazi attack (邮件证实是用此attack来分散当时的邮电门事件); 与MSM collusion (爆出所有那些媒体,报纸,记者,moderators与希勾结等等; 于FBI/ DOJ /State Dept.的Collusion; rigged system在初选如何对Bernie的,大选作弊问题?对美国黑人(super predators, 叫尼哥);对墨裔(needy, taco bowl voters); 对天主教,基督教的信徒mock;希拉里支持化石燃料的使用,嘲笑环保主义反对者,这对左们是打击;对everyday Americans的恨,这就是为什么会说出basket of deplorable and irredeemable; losers, basement dwellers…..;另个重点,引用泄露的邮件来支持自己观点,打击对方-希unfit for president,能力没有,身体没有,爱美国没有,爱美国人民没有;犯罪有(卖官,卖铀,卖国),个人感觉,现在可以加上treason这个了。以上这些,要反复说,反复唐。。。。
Campaign platforms/messages 重点应是大多数人最关心的:工作机会;非移(边境安全);法律;秩序;对绿教人ban /严格vetting(国家安全)等,用数据说话,引用泄露邮件,摆事实。如:有关引入绿教在德国的邮件描述,6%的人口,70%的犯罪率,left trail of the misery and mayhem,就这样希还要在FBI都承认无法过滤的情况下,550%将他们引入美国。大概数字也许有些出入。同时,还要指出,奥巴已经引入多少了的数字。再如,希有关开放边境,建立hemisphere的邮件,试想墨西哥,中美洲,南美洲国家的人都去哪里?都是什么人?得多少人?所有的这些,要唐,一直唐。。。
号召所有有良知 爱美国的各族各裔,各党各派的人,美国已到关键的时刻,希是在快马加鞭,头也不回的引导美国在错误的路上奔跑。覆巢之下 ,焉有完卵,民主党们底层的吃福利,开放边界后,你能吃多久,能吃多长时间?中高层的,没有法律,只有独裁的社会,总会被和谐,被牺牲,被出卖,还有伴君如伴虎,想想那些body count吧。
再有两个重要问题,川普人身安全;主党选举作弊,NY, IL, FL, VA已有,如何应对?

RHSunshine 发表于 10/16/2016 5:13:00 PM
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Donald J. Trump Verified account
‏@realDonaldTrump

Finally, in the new ABC News/Washington Post Poll, Hillary Clinton is down 11 points with WOMEN VOTERS and the election is close at 47-43!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/787760670590791680

Overall, Clinton leads Trump by 47-43 percent among likely voters, a slight edge given the survey’s four-percentage-point error margin.
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CNN以为它是谁?除了它,其他人转维基泄密,看维基泄密就非法?哦法律是揩屁股纸头啊,居然能这么用。
对了,非法移民呢?
CNN says it's ILLEGAL for you to read the Wikileaks/Hillary Clinton emails
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DcATG9Qy_A

dingdingdddd 发表于 10/16/2016 12:54:32 PM
希婆的团队不是还说不能确认邮件的真伪吗?那CNN,crooked news network 也就算是肯定了邮件的真实性了,否则看谈何illegal?
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左媒的POLL也基本打平。而且还是Oct. 10-13 的

Washington Post/ABC News Poll: Statistical Tie in Presidential Race
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/16/washington-postabc-news-poll-statistical-tie-presidential-race/
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奥巴马涉嫌希拉里私服邮件门

奥巴也用别名发邮件给希老太太,被希老太太单独存起来作为保命的筹码,司法部,fbi,白宫都知道,因为涉及总统,根本就不会有什么仲裁惩罚。邮件可能还涉及总统
和稀拉拉在班加西惨案中的秘密交流。奥巴马涉嫌向国会,向美国人民撒谎。

Podesta Leaks: The Obama-Clinton E-mails

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441115/hillary-clinton-barack-obama-emails-wikileaks-john-podesta-concern Obama engaged in the same kind of misconduct. The president’s use of a private, non-secure channel to discuss sensitive matters with high level officials may not have been systematic, as Mrs. Clinton’s was. (Obama’s disturbing use of an alias, however, suggests that Clinton was not the only one he was privately e-mailing.) Nevertheless, the fact that the president was e-mailing Clinton means he not only participated in her misconduct but also that the Obama-Clinton e-mails would have been admissible evidence in any criminal trial of Clinton.
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  DINNER AT PODESTAS: Almost ALL media is in collusion w/ Hillary. Here's the full list
RE: Press Dinners - Full Info
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11409
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  今天的poll,川普领先扩大至0.6,44.5%:43.9%。川普民调持续反弹中。
http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/
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很多媒体都endorse 希拉里,他们的polls都需要持怀疑态度

  New National Poll of 50k People Has DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT Outcome Than Media Polling

http://truthfeed.com/yuge-new-national-poll-of-50k-people-has-dramatically-different-outcome-than-media-polling/16985/

there is also a comment below
I did a similar poll in my subdivision (door to door-told them it was anonymous-no names taken) outside of Milwaukee WI. Approx. identical results! 68 % Trump, 20% HRC, 9% other, 3 % not voting. 35% D/ 33%R/ 30% I/ 2% other Only polled RLV’s! Media so biased and lies so bad!!!!!!!!!
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  最新的维基揭示媒体共谋发表希拉里的“优秀健康”医疗声明
Latest Wiki Dump Reveals Heavy Press Collusion Over Hillary's "Excellent Health" Medical Statement
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-16/latest-wiki-dump-reveals-heavy-press-collusion-over-hillarys-excellent-health-medica
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Kaine: No Apology Necessary for Clinton Team’s Mockery of Catholicism

On Sunday’s broadcast of ABC’s “This Week,” Democratic vice-presidential nominee Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA) said there is no apology necessary in the case of the hacked emails of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s director of communications Jennifer Palmieri discussing Catholicism with a Democratic strategist, who said the religion has “severely backwards gender relations.”

Kaine said, “I don’t think you need to apologize for your opinions.”

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/10/16/kaine-no-apology-necessary-clinton-team-mockery-catholicism/
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你的微信圈子看来真是一朵奇葩

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icylava 发表于 10/16/2016 4:18:31 PM
我们这儿的微信群这一阵新来几个也是铺天盖地的造势,估计都是说的一样的话转的一样的贴,包括世界日报上那些垃圾,不过都被大家骂。我看貌似拿钱发帖的为主,因为反驳的时候不多。
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争是团结的手段,团结是斗争的目的。以斗争求团结则团结存,以退让求团结则团结亡。——毛泽东《目前抗日统一战线中的策略问题》          10月7日“黄段子门”爆发后,趁着民主党和媒体围剿的东风,共和党内倒特朗普之潮再起。  
        首先跳出来的是众议院议长保罗·瑞恩,他在第一时间宣称“黄段子”令其作呕,撤回了他对特朗普参加在威斯康星州举办的竞选活动的邀请。9日,资深联邦参议员、2008年共和党总统候选人麦凯恩也发表声明,撤回对特朗普的支持。与此同时,数名共和党议员和前高官也都声明放弃支持特朗普。在这样的形势下,10月10日,作为目前担任最高公职的共和党人,保罗·瑞恩正式宣布,将不为特朗普竞选服务。顷刻之间,山雨欲来风满楼,坊间纷纷传言共和党要临阵“换床”,不少媒体分析家更是煞有介事地讨论起彭斯还是瑞恩将代替特朗普参选。  
  
        保罗·瑞恩  
        特朗普会不会被换?这个问题不值得多说。共和党当权派想灭特朗普也不是什么新鲜事,全世界围观群众差不多早都知道了。然而,共和党当权派要真有这本事,特朗普能走到今天?事实上,撤回对特朗普支持的共和党议员也就上述几人。Politico网站在13日的一篇报道中醋意十足地写道:“在这个时间点上,无论什么事都不会改变他们(大多数共和党议员)对特朗普的支持。”  
        有价值的是,由这些事件来挖挖美国政党的党内斗争。其中,最值得玩味的是保罗·瑞恩。瑞恩已经不是第一次和特朗普闹“别扭”了。今年5月,也是他掀起了第一次“换床”风波。我们回头去看看那次风波,很有助于预测这次风波的走向。更进一步来说,八一八保罗·瑞恩和特朗普的“爱恨情仇”,能让我们一睥美国政党的党内斗争,它更是这一年多来所谓共和党当权派在面对作为闯入者(乃至征服者)的特朗普和汹涌民意时,进退失据的集中体现。  
一、瑞恩的逼宫  
        5月之前,在第一线阻击特朗普的都还是他的初选对手们。然而,随着小小布什、卢比奥、克鲁兹以及始终在打酱油的卡西奇一个个退选,候选人之外的当权派只好接过重任,瑞恩就是在这时从幕后跳上前台。  
        5月4日,就在最后一名对手卡西奇退选、特朗普成为假定提名人的次日,瑞恩宣称,他没准备好支持特朗普,他认为特朗普还没有获得提名。他在接受采访时表示,他认为共和党人希望具有真正保守主义价值观的候选人,他怀疑特朗普是否符合这一标准。  
        瑞恩的表态一经发布,刚刚齐声宣布特朗普成为“假定提名人”的美国媒体口风立转,再次集火唱衰特朗普。甚至有媒体报道,瑞恩在私下里表示他认为克鲁兹还未退选,希望7月的党代会开僵局会议(根据共和党党规,众议长瑞恩是党代会的主持人),无视选民初选结果重新选举共和党提名人。  
        一时之间,各大媒体议论纷纷,从各个角度为“换床”大业献计献策。可以说,5月的形势远较现在严峻,毕竟当时初选并未结束,僵局会议在制度上也确有召开的可能。  
二、特朗普是如何团结瑞恩的?  
        如果只看许多中国媒体的报道,特朗普常常以这样奇怪的故事情节度过“换床”危机:以瑞恩等人为代表的共和党当权派一次次出手打压,特朗普风雨飘摇,眼看就不行了。但是,突然有一天,我们发现,前不久还和特朗普不共戴天的共和党大佬突然不再打压,反而与特朗普把酒言欢,勉励特朗普好好干,灭了希拉里,为党国尽忠。  
        共和党的党内斗争怎么就偃旗息鼓了?只看中国媒体的报道,我们就会忽略很多重要事件。发掘这些“八卦”,能让我们在《纸牌屋》之外窥视更加真实的美国政党党内斗争。实际上,今年6月瑞恩不再打压特朗普反而主动为特朗普站台,可不是因为他突然想开了,要为党国大局同心协力共抗民主党强敌,而是因为自身实力不足以扛住特朗普反击,不得不主动求和。  
        5月5日,就在瑞恩跳上前台的第二天,面对瑞恩的挑战,特朗普阵营一巴掌抽了回去。特朗普本人表态尚属委婉,除了表示对瑞恩的言论“吃惊”之外,主要是谈论自己获得了千百万选民的支持,当之无愧得到全党支持。特朗普的新闻发言人Katrina Pierson则没那么客气,她在接受采访时表示:瑞恩不支持共和党的假定提名人,只能说明他不适合担任众议院议长。福克斯新闻主持人Sean Hannity在节目中更是露骨地讲道:“我‘没有准备好支持’瑞恩当议长,我认为我们需要一个新的议长”。  
  
        佩林直击瑞恩要害  
        共和党全国委员会主席普利巴斯也批评瑞恩的言论,他表示,特朗普是经党规规定程序由选民选出的假定提名人,所有共和党党员都应该支持特朗普。特朗普的前初选对手、现顾问卡森医生则谈道,他对瑞恩非常失望,瑞恩“太年轻,不成熟”。与说话含蓄的政客不同,众多特朗普草根支持者则赤膊上阵,在脸书、推特上号召:“是时候用选票终结那些不尊敬人民选择的政客的职业生涯了,让我们从保罗·瑞恩开始!”  
        不过,以上都算是来自特朗普阵营及其新老盟友的反击。虽然反应之迅速、来势之凶猛可能超出瑞恩预期,但总的来说应该还都是意料之中的事。可后面发生的事恐怕就要大出瑞恩所料了。  
        5月6日,瑞恩的两位政治盟友、共和党众议院的两名党鞭(瑞恩是议长,共和党众议院党团领袖,党鞭是其助手,协助党团领袖维护党纪、落实党的各项战略,因而一向都被视作是党团领袖的忠实盟友甚至亲信)佐治亚州联邦众议员Lynn Westmoreland和佛罗里达州联邦众议员Dennis Ross在接受politico网站采访时表示,他们难以理解瑞恩的想法,瑞恩违背了共和党的政治规矩和选民意志,他们两人都支持特朗普,他们绝不能接受瑞恩的言论。这就不妙了,瑞恩刚在特朗普得意之时(成为假定提名人)给了背后一刀,还没来得及高兴就后心一凉,发现自己腰眼上也多了两个窟窿……  
        5月7日,特朗普阵营又在瑞恩的后院放了一把火。特朗普阵营悍将、2008年共和党副总统候选人、“茶党女王”莎拉·佩林在CNN节目上猛烈抨击瑞恩,“瑞恩之流的问题是他们脱离把他们选上来的群众太久了”。佩林警告瑞恩,不要忘了前任众议院多数党(共和党)领袖(根据美国国会惯例,共和党是目前众议院多数党,除了一人担任议长外,还设有一名多数党领袖职位)Eric Cantor在2014年居然输掉弗吉尼亚州联邦众议员党内初选提名战的前车之鉴(Cantor贵为美国党和国家领导人居然输掉州内初选,正是因为他的对手得到了茶党的鼎力支持)。她将竭尽全力支持Paul Nehlen从瑞恩手中抢走威斯康辛州国会第1选区的共和党候选人提名资格。  
        枪打出头鸟,眼看特朗普对瑞恩一顿暴揍,共和党众大佬、瑞恩的小伙伴们纷纷跳船,奔向特朗普“开往春天的列车”。此前,在瑞恩发表“没准备好支持特朗普”言论的5月4日,参议院多数党(共和党)领袖麦康奈尔就高调宣布支持“共和党选民的选择”特朗普。  
        5月7日,曾被特朗普严重冒犯过的麦凯恩参议员突然转变口径,公开支持特朗普,赞扬特朗普会成为“出色的领袖”。有记者不解地问他怎么变得这么快?麦凯恩淡定地回答:“很多事情都有第一次。”  
        这一日,特朗普在接受采访时谈到,这两天有很多以前坚决反对我的政客打电话来表示支持。特朗普表示,我很困惑,“你们变得这么快,这样真的可以吗?”然而,这些政客纷纷回应:没关系,我们都很有经验,我们会处理好的……  
三、握手言和,把酒言欢  
        众叛亲离、腹背受敌的瑞恩不得不步小伙伴们的后尘。不过,作为目前担任最高公职的共和党人,比起他的小伙伴们,瑞恩还是好好地扭捏了一番。  
        瑞恩和特朗普约定在5月12日会面。5月9日,瑞恩谈到,“他(特朗普)是提名人。我会尊重党的规矩,做任何他希望我做的事”。但是,他同时表示,由于与特朗普的分歧,他打算辞去党代会会议主席一职,又给特朗普出了个小难题。对此,特朗普肉麻地回应(都用上了love一词):“我真诚热切地希望他担任会议主席”。  
        与此同时,特朗普阵营其他人和新支持特朗普的共和党要员对瑞恩的批评继续进行:“特朗普是共和党选民的选择,如果瑞恩不支持特朗普,他如何来做众议院共和党人的领袖?他脱离人民,将成为共和党的罪人。”另一边呢,民主党媒体在一开始曾经是瑞恩“换床”的强有力盟友,但在此时,一看瑞恩不妙,纷纷秒变围观群众,开始嘲弄瑞恩甚至落井下石。特朗普、瑞恩,反正都是共和党要员,黑谁不是黑呢?  
        在此情形下,5月12日瑞恩与特朗普会面,次日发表了联合声明:“我们虽然有分歧,但我们在许多重要领域形成了共识。我们将一起努力,赢得大选。”不过,瑞恩仍然没有说出“支持特朗普”。  
        不甘心的民主党媒体继续挑逗瑞恩,NBC在共和党选民中专门做了个“你更信任特朗普还是瑞恩”的民调,结果是超过六成共和党选民更信任特朗普,5月17日媒体问瑞恩怎么看这个结果,瑞恩的回答充分体现出了职业政客的优秀素质:“我非常高兴这么多人支持特朗普而不是我”。  
        之后,又扭扭捏捏了十多天。6月3日,保罗·瑞恩正式宣布支持特朗普。此后一直到10月7日,瑞恩时不时地以党和国家领导人身份点评(批评)几句特朗普言行,佩林则一直支持Paul Nehlen与瑞恩争夺议员候选人提名直到7月中旬。不过,这些都是小打小闹,充其量算是互相恶心,直到“黄段子门”爆发。  
  
  
        特朗普10月的反击依然犀利  
四、如何理解美国政党的党内斗争?  
        昨天拔刀相见,今天把酒言欢,明天再背后一刀,是美国政治的常态。其实古往今来世界各国的政治莫不如此,“没有绝对的朋友,只有绝对的利益”。  
        在第二次总统辩论上,希拉里刚说了“我的好朋友米歇尔”,就被特朗普一句“米歇尔在2008年做过一个针对你的广告,那是我见过的有史以来对你最恶毒的攻击”呛得无言以对。今年6月都还有消息传出米歇尔希望拜登顶替希拉里参选,而奥巴马也是迟至6月才有保留地表态支持希拉里。  
        同样,希拉里在辩论上追问“特朗普质疑奥巴马出生地”问题,其实第一个质疑奥巴马出生地的恰恰是2008年希拉里的竞选团队(于是,又被当场呛了回去,赶紧转移话题)。  
        然而,这毫不妨碍希拉里和奥巴马在7月党代会上深情相拥,感动无数文艺青年。奥巴马在党代会上说,希拉里将是有史以来最合适的总统人选,比他、比比尔都出色得多(那你2008年抢人家位置干啥),而此前奥巴马对希拉里最著名的评价是:“几十年来,希拉里好话说尽,屁事不干。”(奥巴马和特朗普就此达成高度共识)  
        所以,斗争、团结都是常态,不值得大惊小怪。我们好奇的是背后的东西。  
1、为何而斗?  
        瑞恩和每每跳出来的其他共和党大佬,打压特朗普的公开理由一直是“不符合保守主义价值观”。所以斗争的起源是意识形态或者说信仰?  
        显然不是。利益之争可以经常妥协,信仰之争却往往极少有迅速媾和的。更何况,瑞恩、麦凯恩等人在意识形态上都被划为共和党温和派,温和派就是不太注重意识形态、价值观可以妥协的意思。相反,共和党内真正的意识形态派、极度强调捍卫保守主义价值观的是茶党(经济政策)和福音派(社会政策)。  
        事实上,特朗普的竞选纲领和本人特质还真是不太符合茶党(特朗普是共和党经济政策最偏向“较大政府”的候选人,虽然反对奥巴马医改,但他支持全民医保)和福音派(特朗普结过3次婚,在堕胎、同性恋等议题上又是共和党内最左的)的价值观。  
        为了捍卫“小政府”价值观,茶党议员们曾经逼得奥巴马政府三番五次陷入关门危机、让共和党内数次爆发巨大冲突(众议长博纳下台,共和党迟迟无法推选出新议长,也就在很大程度上浪费了自己多数党地位)。按照民主党的说法,茶党议员们是把意识形态纯洁性凌驾于国家乃至共和党自己的利益之上。但茶党众将却始终没有以“不符合保守主义价值观”为由反对特朗普。  
        同样,2012年因为信仰冲突曾经有数百万福音派选民宁可让奥巴马连任也不出门为罗姆尼投票(罗姆尼是摩门教徒),现在碰见更不符合教义的特朗普却是默默支持。卡森医生(民主党媒体曾经爆炒卡森是“不虔诚就下地狱”的极端教义派)刚一退选就转而背书特朗普;11日,CNN采访福音派大妈对“黄段子门”的看法(在CNN预期中,极度强调清规戒律的福音派基督徒应该是极力谴责),大妈说特朗普又不是选教皇,这事算个屁。  
  
        这位大妈不仅维护了特朗普,还狂喷了克林顿。不是CNN不想操纵啊,实在是群众太狡猾,连福音派都叛变革命了  
        “神棍”们都觉得讲“黄段子”无所谓,一向自诩温和理性、反对宗教挂帅的温和派们怎么就突然变成了假道学呢?关键还是利益。  
        对共和党当权派来说,他们的选民基础在茶党崛起的冲击下已经损失惨重,在2010、2012和2014年的国会选举中,多名传统的党内密室磋商钦定的、甚至有数十年连任经历的大佬(例如前众议院多数党领袖Cantor)连共和党候选人提名都没得到,反倒是让兰德·保罗、克鲁兹、卢比奥这些无甚根基的新人打得一泻千里。现在,特朗普的崛起更会进一步收走他们所剩不多的选民基础(不太注重宗教和意识形态的选民),所以,莎拉·佩林说:“特朗普的崛起让他们害怕,他们害怕失去他们的权力、财富和地位。”  
        具体到瑞恩,他的国会选区可能还比较稳固(反正众议员选区很小,十几万张选票就能当选),但瑞恩早有鸿鹄之志,作为2012年的副总统候选人,瑞恩一直有2020年或2024年参选的打算。特朗普的崛起,特别是他带来的共和党选民基础和政策主张的大洗牌,则会完全打乱瑞恩筹划已久的政治布局和他习惯的密室协商。  
        所以,瑞恩一直试图打压特朗普以向世人展示“特朗普不靠谱,但我很靠谱,我才是党和人民的希望”。对此,莎拉·佩林在5月7日就放话:“如果共和党在今年就赢得大选,这对瑞恩的2020年(参选计划)可不是好消息。我想,这才是瑞恩跳出来的原因”。  
2、靠什么斗?  
        政治斗争当然要靠实力。就美国政坛来说,政客最核心的实力就是精英派系和民意选票(当然还有金主和资本支持,但第一,这是个完全的黑箱状态,我们观察不到细节;第二,金主的态度和行为也会一定程度体现在前两者中)。  
        简单来说,为什么共和党很多政客一会把特朗普骂得十恶不赦,一会又把特朗普夸得像耶稣在世?关键就是民意选票,如果特朗普民意不错,有较大希望成为下届总统,绝大多数政客当然会纷纷支持,登上特朗普的顺风车,生怕掉队。反之,他们会毫不犹豫地反戈一击。共和党有史以来最多的初选得票(1300多万)和现在依然坚挺的民意就是特朗普的实力。  
        反观瑞恩,恐怕实力就差了很多。表面上看,他是担任最高公职的共和党人,国会共和党人的领袖。但实际上,他登上议长宝座还不到一年,而且他能上位的主要原因不是他有广泛并强大的派系支持,而是其他派系打得太惨烈了。  
        2015年9月,前任议长博纳因预算法案被克鲁兹领头的茶党议员逼得愤而辞职。按照正常程序,接任应该是众议院多数党(共和党)领袖麦卡锡。然而,麦卡锡和博纳立场相近,也是多年大佬,同样不被茶党接受,有40多名共和党议员公开发表声明反对麦卡锡,无奈麦卡锡在短暂宣布参选后又宣布退选。此时的瑞恩还是麦卡锡的主要助手,为了避嫌,他在麦卡锡宣布退选后立即宣布自己绝不谋求议长之位。然而,经过党内多方博弈,数日后他又宣布参选,并在半个月后正式当选议长。  
        瑞恩上位靠的是在茶党和当权派间的两边讨喜,然而,这也就意味着他没有实力雄厚的派系支持。现在的情形是,一方面,博纳、麦卡锡等人对克鲁兹的仇恨要远超特朗普,博纳在今年4月底的演讲中曾痛骂克鲁兹是“撒旦在世”,并宣布支持特朗普。如果瑞恩持续和克鲁兹等茶党议员走得过近,他的政治导师博纳和麦卡锡还会一如既往的给予支持吗?  
        另一方面,茶党则一步步地集合在特朗普旗下。1月,“茶党女王”佩林率先背书特朗普,并成为特朗普阵营的一员悍将;3月,曾经当权派的希望、“茶党金童”卢比奥在退选后也迅速表示对特朗普的支持;9月,就连特朗普初选最大的对手、在党代会还号召选民凭良心投票的“茶党太子”克鲁兹也宣布背书特朗普(也不知道怎么起的外号,听起来佩林好像是卢比奥和克鲁兹他妈)。9月,茶党组织Tea Party Patriots高调宣布将竭尽全力帮助特朗普赢得大选。Tea Party Patriots是美国最大的草根组织,在全国有三百万成员。兰德·保罗、克鲁兹、卢比奥等一大批人能打败共和党钦点人选和民主党对手、赢得国会席位,都在很大程度上依赖于Tea Party Patriots的支持。  
        并且,特朗普自己的支持者也慢慢成了气候。特朗普曾经表示,他的参选不仅仅是一次选举,更是一场运动,这场运动将彻底改变共和党和美国政治版图。不论是否胜选,特朗普参选的影响将长期持续下去,这点基本是全世界的共识,不然也不会有那么多人投入关注。  
        在共和党内,经历了科罗拉多州“钦定克鲁兹”事件、不断的僵局大会传言后,特朗普的支持者从5月起开始大规模地跻身并改组共和党全国委员会、各州委员会和基层组织,当权派的基层实力进一步被削弱,连任30年的麦凯恩今年竞选亚利桑那州联邦参议员反倒要邀请特朗普来站台(特朗普前几天大骂麦凯恩,当初拍我马屁原来是为了竞选,现在稳获党内提名了就过河拆桥)。  
        简而言之,特朗普能否干掉希拉里,很不好说,保罗·瑞恩可以借党内或党外的东风压制特朗普。但是东风过后,如果特朗普没有被压倒,瑞恩是无力独自正面对抗特朗普的。  
3、曾经强大的共和党当权派为什么灭不了特朗普?  
        在这次美国大选中,桑德斯和特朗普都是极端异质的候选人。为什么民主党当权派能灭掉桑德斯,共和党当权派却在特朗普面前溃不成军?  
        这当然是多方面原因造成的。除了超级代表、政策主张、支持群体、竞选手段等多方面原因外,共和党和民主党不同的政党结构也是重要原因。共和党本就较民主党松散,2010年以来又经受了茶党的轮番冲击,掌握在当权派手中的政党机器的掌控力大幅下降。当年扛不住茶党对钦定议员提名人的挑战,现在就更扛不住特朗普对钦定总统提名人的挑战。  
        另一方面,共和党也有点像内战时期的国民党,当权派看似势大,但都等着别人当出头鸟,自己保存实力,相互间新仇旧恨也不少,有机会更不介意踩上出头鸟一脚。  
        就瑞恩来说,他最大的问题在于高估了自己,他可能常常会觉得自己是共和党共主,其实他不过只是各派系妥协的结果。看似他站出来指点江山,很多时候是被共和党其他不愿出头又想反特朗普的人当了枪使。瑞恩的悲剧在于,瑞恩有“美国朱立伦”之称,可惜“美国朱立伦”连朱立伦的实力都没有,而他想挑战的对手无论是实力还是手段都比洪秀柱强太多了。  
强舸政治学博士,中央党校讲师  
特朗普和保罗·瑞恩的“爱恨情仇”——美国政党党内斗争一睥
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cindy2012
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瑞恩想2020年竞选总统?
Give me a break,选cruz也不选他
含笑的猫
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A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS. THIS IS TRULY WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST…
含笑的猫
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泡软是一只卑鄙的老鼠!叛徒应该被严惩!
大鱼海棠
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A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS. THIS IS TRULY WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST…


含笑的猫 发表于 10/17/2016 12:45:50 AM

顶!!!
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lifetobepositive
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瑞恩想2020年竞选总统?
Give me a break,选cruz也不选他
cindy2012 发表于 10/16/2016 11:39:58 PM

选rubio吧,八年后
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luckyso
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选rubio吧,八年后

lifetobepositive 发表于 10/17/2016 2:04:42 AM

显然得是pence
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lifetobepositive
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回复 10033楼luckyso的帖子

也对,rubio做副总统,就他的full support to trump,也要支持下
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redhermit
10071 楼
Crooked Hillary Clinton's 10 Steps to Be President!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkOIVsoRL8M
含笑的猫
10072 楼
James O'Keefe最新爆料 - Rigging the Election - Video I: Clinton Campaign and DNC Incite Violence at Trump Rallies


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY
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redhermit
10073 楼
zt: 本人从来不关心政治 我为什么坚决不选希拉里?(图/视频)

http://www.wenxuecity.com/news/2016/10/17/5691350.html
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redhermit
10074 楼
Over 5,000 HINDU AMERICANS Turn Out to See DONALD TRUMP in New Jersey

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/5000-hindu-americans-turn-see-donald-trump-new-jersey-video/

转: 印度人在忙自己的利益,华人在忙内斗, 被卖了还在帮忙数钱。本来就一小数, 还被几个弯弯议员想法搞出议案跟华人切割, 非要搞出个什么 taiwanese。其实不管怎么切割,最后也是一块被牺牲掉的肥肉。美国这么多族裔,利益只有那么多, 总得推几个出去牺牲掉, 那华裔或亚裔就是首选, 不管是chinese 或 taiwanese 背景。
含笑的猫
10075 楼
Over 5,000 HINDU AMERICANS Turn Out to See DONALD TRUMP in New Jersey

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/5000-hindu-americans-turn-see-donald-trump-new-jersey-video/

转: 印度人在忙自己的利益,华人在忙内斗, 被卖了还在帮忙数钱。本来就一小数, 还被几个弯弯议员想法搞出议案跟华人切割, 非要搞出个什么 taiwanese。其实不管怎么切割,最后也是一块被牺牲掉的肥肉。美国这么多族裔,利益只有那么多, 总得推几个出去牺牲掉, 那华裔或亚裔就是首选, 不管是chinese 或 taiwanese 背景。

redhermit 发表于 10/17/2016 2:35:44 PM
不得不承认,老印在大事上不糊涂!不象有些华人,要么头钻在沙子里装看不见;要么出卖同胞利益,可悲啊!
千堆雪
10076 楼
WikiLeaks Shows Dozens of Journalists Invited to Off-the-Record Dinner

http://www.youngcons.com/wikileaks-shows-dozens-of-journalists-invited-to-off-the-record-dinner/
Tell me if you notice any Fox News reporters on this list…
Yes
ABC – Liz Kreutz
Yes
AP – Julie Pace
Yes
AP – Ken Thomas
Yes
AP – Lisa Lerer
AURN – April Ryan
Yes
Bloomberg – Jennifer Epstein
Yes
Buzzfeed – Ruby Cramer
Yes
CBS – Steve Chagaris
Yes
CNBC – John Harwood
Yes
CNN – Dan Merica
Yes
Huffington Post – Amanda Terkel
NO
(Panama)
LAT – Mike Memoli
Yes
LAT – Evan Handler
Yes
McClatchy – Anita Kumar
Yes
MSNBC – Alex Seitz-Wald
Yes
National Journal – Emily Schultheis
Yes
NBC – Mark Murray
Yes
NPR – Tamara Keith
NYT – Amy Chozik
Yes
NYT – Maggie Haberman
Yes
Politico – Annie Karni
Politico – Gabe Debenedetti
Yes
Reuters – Amanda Becker
The Hill – Amie Parnes
Yes
Washington Post – Anne Gearan
Yes
WSJ – Laura Meckler
Yes
WSJ – Peter Nicholas
Yes
WSJ – Colleen McCain Nelson
千堆雪
10077 楼
大家请看这个视频并广为传播!这个机器会完全窃取大选果实!
What is Really Happening To Your Votes

A mini-election test conducted on a random voting machine revealed frightening results – the votes were not counted correctly.

One test voter was so shocked and upset, she broke down in tears.

Watch this video – simply unbelievable unless you see it yourself!
http://dennismichaellynch.com/really-happening-votes/
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nnlynn
10078 楼
是不是有人说了?high tech届终于有人捐款给trump了,paypal的founder 刚捐了1.25 million,说忍受不了民主党的腐败,尽管他自己是个gay。
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ScottishFold
10079 楼
桑德斯阵营director背书川普!
FMR Bernie Sanders Campaign Director Endorses Donald Trump for President of the United States
https://twitter.com/WesleyRickard/status/787421403880550402
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footloose
10080 楼
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY&feature=youtu.be+YouTube+paused+view+counts+so+it+wouldn%27t+trend%21%21&app=desktop
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ScottishFold
10081 楼
Donald Trump’s Pick For Attorney General  Trey Gowdy… Liberals’ Worst Nightmare
http://www.allenbwest.com/michellejesse/boom-donald-trumps-pick-for-attorney-general-liberals-worst-nightmare
含笑的猫
10083 楼
是不是有人说了?high tech届终于有人捐款给trump了,paypal的founder 刚捐了1.25 million,说忍受不了民主党的腐败,尽管他自己是个gay。
nnlynn 发表于 10/17/2016 4:21:49 PM
是前任founder,现任是个左棍。对,前任捐钱给了super pac。这个人在党大会上出来发言的。前不久不是遭到08报复,让IRS查他的财务嘛。
含笑的猫
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含笑的猫
10085 楼
含笑的猫
10086 楼
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trayanh
10087 楼
是不是有人说了?high tech届终于有人捐款给trump了,paypal的founder 刚捐了1.25 million,说忍受不了民主党的腐败,尽管他自己是个gay。
nnlynn 发表于 10/17/2016 4:21:49 PM
这个founder在共和党大会上发表演讲了的,他一直站共和党这边的
含笑的猫
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coolcream
10089 楼
希望川普能改改大嘴巴的毛病,大实话也别乱说,关键时候别再给人抓住小辫子了,辨论的时候尽可能往希拉里的问题上引,别情绪化
柠檬蜂蜜糖
10090 楼
快来看,希拉里水军作战方案被wikileak兜了
http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2078542&forumpage=1
柠檬蜂蜜糖
10091 楼
大家千万要投票,不要理会poll,积极检举voter fraud, 希拉里水军千方百计的想让川普粉相信it's over, 这是他们的策略之一:

1: 可以降低川普粉投票积极性
2: 为大选作弊(老巫婆赢)提前打好预防针

千万不要上当
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icylava
10092 楼
我觉得poll越低,更多川粉越会斗志昂扬的,确定自己去投票+去说服更多人投票。

希拉里水军以为别人都像它们一样是quitting loser真是大错特错

大家千万要投票,不要理会poll,积极检举voter fraud, 希拉里水军千方百计的想让川普粉相信it's over, 这是他们的策略之一:

1: 可以降低川普粉投票积极性
2: 为大选作弊(老巫婆赢)提前打好预防针

千万不要上当
柠檬蜂蜜糖 发表于 10/17/2016 8:03:36 PM


☆ 发自 iPhone 华人一网 1.11.08
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ratzinger
10093 楼
我觉得poll越低,更多川粉越会斗志昂扬的,确定自己去投票+去说服更多人投票。

希拉里水军以为别人都像它们一样是quitting loser真是大错特错

☆ 发自 iPhone 华人一网 1.11.08

icylava 发表于 10/17/2016 8:33:05 PM
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poll低点大家都会去投票,一决雌雄。

个人还是觉得吸瘌痢满打满算的样子,rally都很少出来,必须是准备好作弊了。
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smilemm
10094 楼
现在是不是已经不能注册了?跟几个朋友聊天,发现他们压根不关心这个,一说就是俩个都是烂人,没法选,所以谁也不选
想多说几句,但是想想现在不是已经过了注册期了吗?就算想投现在也投不了吧
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icylava
10095 楼
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poll低点大家都会去投票,一决雌雄。

个人还是觉得吸瘌痢满打满算的样子,rally都很少出来,必须是准备好作弊了。

ratzinger 发表于 10/17/2016 8:39:44 PM

同觉得作弊这个最有可能啊。。。。。。问题是现在大家都知道会作弊,也广泛指出作弊,可是有什么具体措施来防止呢?
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smilemm
10096 楼
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poll低点大家都会去投票,一决雌雄。

个人还是觉得吸瘌痢满打满算的样子,rally都很少出来,必须是准备好作弊了。

ratzinger 发表于 10/17/2016 8:39:44 PM 机器作弊要怎么防啊?想想真的挺悲观的啊,现在一直在叫这个问题,大家也都知道,可是要怎么解决啊?
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smilemm
10097 楼
妖婆现在每天也不出来rally,真正就打算靠作弊在家躺赢啊
这样选出来的民众能服吗?
含笑的猫
10098 楼
我觉得poll越低,更多川粉越会斗志昂扬的,确定自己去投票+去说服更多人投票。
希拉里水军以为别人都像它们一样是quitting loser真是大错特错
icylava 发表于 10/17/2016 8:33:05 PM
忽视现在媒体上的一切噪音,那是猪党的障眼法!如果希拉里形势大好,媒体和希粉水军们何必那么上窜下跳,急赤白脸的;要知道希粉可是无利不起早的主啊!大家继续拉票、投票,一定要战斗到底!
含笑的猫
10099 楼
妖婆现在每天也不出来rally,真正就打算靠作弊在家躺赢啊
这样选出来的民众能服吗?
smilemm 发表于 10/17/2016 8:44:50 PM
民众自然不会服!揭竿起义一触即发。。。
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smilemm
10100 楼
对美帝的认识几个月时间一下从天堂到地狱的感觉啊,太他妈的黑暗了,完全颠覆了三观啊,各种妖魔鬼怪竟然可以这么横行