有人评论说：When someone takes him aside and points out that he has now pissed off the Asian community he gets frustrated and starts hitting him self on the head going "Stupid!!! stupid stupid stupid!"
Trump也是这么认为的。 Y_U_SHOOTME 发表于 8/25/2015 1:28:57 AM
point is, weren't you holding Jeb up as your knight in shining armor?
and, if you happen to read through the comment section, mainstream American do not typically think of Asians when talking about anchor babies, only illegal Hispanics. Not saying racism doesn't exist, or the birthing centers aren't legally grey, but I think you are very much blinded by your own experiences...
up vote最多的一个评论：i got news for this for this man. According to the US statistics, of all the immigrants, the Asians are not only the most educated but they are the least recipient of aid and have one of the lowest criminal records in the country. They are also one of the most integrated of all the minorities. Just go to any math, science or computer department ina college and u will see how many are asians and how many are hispanics. Statistics, on the other hand regarding Hispanics shows the opposite. The fact that many hispanics have been here for a decade, have 3 children, still don't speak the language, receive every form of financial assistance, and are less educated than their asian counterparts proves the point.
Let me spell out the difference between Trump and J Bush for you.
At least on the record and until this moment, Trump is focusing on the legal aspect of birthing, meaning he would like to tighten the rules for anyone who is coming to US illegally or under false pretenses to give birth. The Chinese birthing centers just happen to be one of the latest and more notorious examples (other than the latinos).
J. Bush however is publicly SINGLING out Asians in an attempt to defuse his recent gaffes and also because many members from his wife family's came over illegally.
I am concerned about Trump, about his ploy to get the votes and what his future steps might be. But at least I think he could have some merit as President. Jeb is a big no go for me
Let me spell out the difference between Trump and J Bush for you.
At least on the record and until this moment, Trump is focusing on the legal aspect of birthing, meaning he would like to tighten the rules for anyone who is coming to US illegally or under false pretenses to give birth. The Chinese birthing centers just happen to be one of the latest and more notorious examples (other than the latinos).
J. Bush however is publicly SINGLING out Asians in an attempt to defuse his recent gaffes and also because many members from his wife family's came over illegally.
I am concerned about Trump, about his ploy to get the votes and what his future steps might be. But at least I think he could have some merit as President. Jeb is a big no go for me
urthur 发表于 8/25/2015 1:50:00 AM
Well said! I'm a bit worry about Hispanic vote for Trump, but that concern is more for general election, and climate would be different then with running mate etc.
Since you are a so law abiding person, then you should know that giving a birth while the woman is on temporary non immigration visa does not against any current immigration law. Other words, it is 100% legal. Then why the heck Trump or Jeb, both of them, on the record, did they bash those Chinese women, and further insulted those legal American Citizen babies as "Anchor Baby"?
Since you are a so law abiding person, then you should know that giving a birth while the woman is on temporary non immigration visa does not against any current immigration law. Other words, it is 100% legal. Then why the heck Trump or Jeb, both of them, on the record, did they bash those Chinese women, and further insulted those legal American Citizen babies as "Anchor Baby"? Y_U_SHOOTME 发表于 8/25/2015 2:11:03 AM
Trump is drawing the line between legal and illegal, Jeb is drawing the line by race - that's what liberals do.
luckyso 发表于 8/25/2015 2:31:20 AM
Bush's IQ is less than 1/10 of Trump's. He has no chance for this election. Trump was right. Bush has no energy and is stupid. Who would want such a president except for ppl donate money to him and hope to manipulate him one day for political and economic rewards.
If you are familiar with Immigration law, you should know that being pregnant is not a base to deny an visa application. Although, in reality, I have to admit that those women's real attention is to give a birth in US, but you just cannot say they misrepresent the reasons while applying the tourist visa. Actually, it is hard to approve, unless they were caught by presenting the false documentation, while requiring an visa.
The following quote from a conservative american might enlighten you some:“These people aren’t doing anything in violation of our laws,” said Mark Krikorian, the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates tougher immigration controls. “But if anything, it is worse than illegal immigrants delivering a baby here. Those kids are socialized as Americans. This phenomenon of coming to the U.S. and then leaving with people who have unlimited access to come back is just ridiculous.”
Bush's IQ is less than 1/10 of Trump's. He has no chance for this election. Trump was right. Bush has no energy and is stupid. Who would want such a president except for ppl donate money to him and hope to manipulate him one day for political and economic rewards.
晓月繁星 发表于 8/25/2015 2:35:33 AM
Now I'm supporting any GOP candidate other than Bush, he's clearly a democratic in disguise and he's so ready to throw Asians under the bus to kiss latino's ass.
Now I'm supporting any GOP candidate other than Bush, he's clearly a democratic in disguise and he's so ready to throw Asians under the bus to kiss latino's ass.
luckyso 发表于 8/25/2015 2:51:04 AM
Now I know how the Bush family members got elected presidency twice with huge amount of donation. It is because they are STUPID. Donors see that so clearly. Stupid ones are so much easier to control.
If you are familiar with Immigration law, you should know that being pregnant is not a base to deny an visa application. Although, in reality, I have to admit that those women's real attention is to give a birth in US, but you just cannot say they misrepresent the reasons while applying the tourist visa. Actually, it is hard to approve, unless they were caught by presenting the false documentation, while requiring an visa.
The following quote from a conservative american might enlighten you some:“These people aren’t doing anything in violation of our laws,” said Mark Krikorian, the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates tougher immigration controls. “But if anything, it is worse than illegal immigrants delivering a baby here. Those kids are socialized as Americans. This phenomenon of coming to the U.S. and then leaving with people who have unlimited access to come back is just ridiculous.” Y_U_SHOOTME 发表于 8/25/2015 2:47:57 AM
During visa interview, VO always asks you why you come to US, they must have said tourism and often provide travel scheduling to support their statement, otherwise the visa would be denied. But their actual plan is to give birth here, it's premeditated as they conceived the baby before they come and they contacted the birth centers in advance. That's willful misrepresentation that invalidates their visa, as clearly stated in the immigration law.
How can you approve their actual plan is to give birth here? You cannot. It is like F1 applicants, when the VO asks you if you would come back to your original country, after you finish your program, I guess 100% will answer "yes". Some will be back, some will not. Can I say those did not come back has committed a visa violation by mispresenting a false claim/statement, while applying the visa? And don't kid yourself that all F1 applicants' original plan are coming back to their original country, after they finish their program. We all know the truth, don't we?
During visa interview, VO always asks you why you come to US, they must have said tourism and often provide travel scheduling to support their statement, otherwise the visa would be denied. But their actual plan is to give birth here, it's premeditated as they conceived the baby before they come and they contacted the birth centers in advance. That's willful misrepresentation that invalidates their visa, as clearly stated in the immigration law.
luckyso 发表于 8/25/2015 3:01:18 AM
exactly!
Not trying to advocate birthing tourism, but if these women have the intent to deceive, at least come discreetly instead of through a birthing center. That's as big of a target as it can get...
How can you approve their actual plan is to give birth here? You cannot. It is like F1 applicants, when the VO asks you if you would come back to your original country, after you finish your program, I guess 100% will answer "yes". Some will be back, some will not. Can I say those did not come back has committed a visa violation by mispresenting a false claim/statement, while applying the visa? And don't kid yourself that all F1 applicants' original plan are coming back to their original country, after they finish their program. We all know the truth, don't we? Y_U_SHOOTME 发表于 8/25/2015 3:11:06 AM
America is pretty decent in this regard -- it almost always assumes a person is innocent until proven guilty. These women under discussion here are catching the flak because they clearly came with the intent to give birth. Why else contact a birthing center, fork over so much money, and return home immediately after they have a child?
I am really confused about why you so very much like to defend the cases which are on the wrong side of the law...just to prove you can be as much of a victim and "vulnerable" as these people? Or try to fish for excuse by saying everybody is equally culpable? (which by the way is not true) If that's your hope, then China should be extinct, UK should be extinct, US should be hung...because just about every single nation on earth has committed one atrocity or another at some point..
How can you approve their actual plan is to give birth here? You cannot. It is like F1 applicants, when the VO asks you if you would come back to your original country, after you finish your program, I guess 100% will answer "yes". Some will be back, some will not. Can I say those did not come back has committed a visa violation by mispresenting a false claim/statement, while applying the visa? And don't kid yourself that all F1 applicants' original plan are coming back to their original country, after they finish their program. We all know the truth, don't we? Y_U_SHOOTME 发表于 8/25/2015 3:11:06 AM
There is a clear distinction in F1's case. The key is that you can't be proven lying AT the time of visa interview. F1 could always argue they did plan to come back at the time of the interview, but several years later when they get their degree things change so they change their plan, blablah... The same can't be argued in birth center's case due to the fact those ladies knew about their prenancy and contacted birth center already at the time of the interview.
Well, you said it all, a person is innocent until proven guilty. I followed the case a bit, the feds was to charge the birth center with Tax Fraud, that said, they did not have legal ground to charge those women directly. Then, unfortunately, they fled and caught the flak. And frankly speaking, I was not defending anything, all I did was trying to put my own feet into other ppl's shoes. Am I trying to prove that , one day, I might be as" vulnerable" as those ppl? Maybe. I have been living here for almost two decades, I was used to be so naive to think that I could be equal to the whites, well, lesson learned. You may call me too sensitive, but all I can say is "the winter is coming".
Well, I am not trying to be ridiculous here, but obviously, when you talked about those women, you are applying double standards on them, and your points are full of bias.
First, I already cited the immigration law that being pregnant is not a base to deny an visa application. Second, contacting birth center, prior to interview, is hard to approve that they are trying to mispresent the reasons for requiring an visa. Don't you think it is logical that a pregnant woman will be on her way to have a tour, she contacts a local birth center, whom does not only speak her language, but also does it provide all necessary services to protect her and the unborn baby, if an unexpected labor would accur? To me, it makes sense.
Well, I am not trying to be ridiculous here, but obviously, when you talked about those women, you are applying double standards on them, and your points are full of bias.
First, I already cited the immigration law that being pregnant is not a base to deny an visa application. Second, contacting birth center, prior to interview, is hard to approve that they are trying to mispresent the reasons for requiring an visa. Don't you think it is logical that a pregnant woman will be on her way to have a tour, she contacts a local birth center, whom does not only speak her language, but also does it provide all necessary services to protect her and the unborn baby, if an unexpected labor would accur? To me, it makes sense. Y_U_SHOOTME 发表于 8/25/2015 4:05:20 AM
It doesn't make sense at all. Normal women will stay at her own place/home waiting for their babies to be born, rather than to travel/tour overseas especially during the last term of pregnancy and to contact a birth center ahead of time. What's the rush to tour a place during pregnancy? Shouldn't they rest as much as possible for the good sake of the babies? Don't you think the conspiracy is too obvious?
Trump's manager said nothing about they were not against Asian anchor babies, because they treat all illegal immigrants the same, and that's the way it should be, regardless the race.
有人评论说：When someone takes him aside and points out that he has now pissed off the Asian community he gets frustrated and starts hitting him self on the head going "Stupid!!! stupid stupid stupid!"
That's a gross misrepresentation on your part. The liberals are not drawing any lines.
BlueNDGold 发表于 8/25/2015 10:56:31 AM
That's what they do best, when there is officer involved shooting, they first check if the person shot is black & shooter is non-black, if yes, they immediately call that discrimination and it's all over the news and protest/riot is justified no matter what actually caused the shooting. If the shooter is black and/or the person shot in any other color, they ignore it, just like that 9-year black girl in Ferguson. At least that's what's happening under Obama. They look at your color first to decide where they stand.
Well, you said it all, a person is innocent until proven guilty. I followed the case a bit, the feds was to charge the birth center with Tax Fraud, that said, they did not have legal ground to charge those women directly. Then, unfortunately, they fled and caught the flak. And frankly speaking, I was not defending anything, all I did was trying to put my own feet into other ppl's shoes. Am I trying to prove that , one day, I might be as" vulnerable" as those ppl? Maybe. I have been living here for almost two decades, I was used to be so naive to think that I could be equal to the whites, well, lesson learned. You may call me too sensitive, but all I can say is "the winter is coming". Y_U_SHOOTME 发表于 8/25/2015 3:46:08 AM
---------------- 8/25: Anchor baby 前传请见8/21的note, 现在Bush突然改口说他更多的指Asians(即月子中心）， 其目的显然是讨好拉丁裔。 Trump说他offended Asians, 是clumsy move。 Bush yahoo上的报道 http://news.yahoo.com/jeb-bush-asians-abusing-us-birthright-citizenship-222325629.html Trump tweet 1:In a clumsy move to get out of his "anchor babies" dilemma, where he signed that he would not use the term and now uses it, he blamed ASIANS Trump tweet 2: Asians are very offended that JEB said that anchor babies applies to them as a way to be more politically correct to hispanics. A mess!
Trump回应了Fox的批评，表示他disagree, 但也略微吹捧了一下fox，暗示他只是认为kelly不够格的同时也留了些余地。 I totally disagree with the FOX statement. I do not think Megyn Kelly is a quality journalist. I think her questioning of me, despite all of the polls saying I won the debate, was very unfair. Hopefully in the future I will be proven wrong and she will be able to elevate her standards to a level of professionalism that a network such as FOX deserves. More importantly, I am very pleased to see the latest polls from Public Policy Polling showing me at a strong number one with 35% in New Hampshire, the Monmouth University poll showing me, again at number one, with 30% in South Carolina and the latest national poll from Gravis where I am again the clear front runner with 40%. It was also just announced that I won the prestigious corn kernel poll at the Iowa State Fair by a landslide. I will be in Iowa tonight with my speech being broadcast live on CNN and other networks. My sole focus in running for the Presidency is to Make America Great Again!
Trump回应了Fox的批评，表示他disagree, 但也略微吹捧了一下fox，暗示他只是认为kelly不够格的同时也留了些余地。 I totally disagree with the FOX statement. I do not think Megyn Kelly is a quality journalist. I think her questioning of me, despite all of the polls saying I won the debate, was very unfair. Hopefully in the future I will be proven wrong and she will be able to elevate her standards to a level of professionalism that a network such as FOX deserves. More importantly, I am very pleased to see the latest polls from Public Policy Polling showing me at a strong number one with 35% in New Hampshire, the Monmouth University poll showing me, again at number one, with 30% in South Carolina and the latest national poll from Gravis where I am again the clear front runner with 40%. It was also just announced that I won the prestigious corn kernel poll at the Iowa State Fair by a landslide. I will be in Iowa tonight with my speech being broadcast live on CNN and other networks. My sole focus in running for the Presidency is to Make America Great Again!
Trump回应了Fox的批评，表示他disagree, 但也略微吹捧了一下fox，暗示他只是认为kelly不够格的同时也留了些余地。 I totally disagree with the FOX statement. I do not think Megyn Kelly is a quality journalist. I think her questioning of me, despite all of the polls saying I won the debate, was very unfair. Hopefully in the future I will be proven wrong and she will be able to elevate her standards to a level of professionalism that a network such as FOX deserves. More importantly, I am very pleased to see the latest polls from Public Policy Polling showing me at a strong number one with 35% in New Hampshire, the Monmouth University poll showing me, again at number one, with 30% in South Carolina and the latest national poll from Gravis where I am again the clear front runner with 40%. It was also just announced that I won the prestigious corn kernel poll at the Iowa State Fair by a landslide. I will be in Iowa tonight with my speech being broadcast live on CNN and other networks. My sole focus in running for the Presidency is to Make America Great Again!
Trump回应了Fox的批评，表示他disagree, 但也略微吹捧了一下fox，暗示他只是认为kelly不够格的同时也留了些余地。 I totally disagree with the FOX statement. I do not think Megyn Kelly is a quality journalist. I think her questioning of me, despite all of the polls saying I won the debate, was very unfair. Hopefully in the future I will be proven wrong and she will be able to elevate her standards to a level of professionalism that a network such as FOX deserves. More importantly, I am very pleased to see the latest polls from Public Policy Polling showing me at a strong number one with 35% in New Hampshire, the Monmouth University poll showing me, again at number one, with 30% in South Carolina and the latest national poll from Gravis where I am again the clear front runner with 40%. It was also just announced that I won the prestigious corn kernel poll at the Iowa State Fair by a landslide. I will be in Iowa tonight with my speech being broadcast live on CNN and other networks. My sole focus in running for the Presidency is to Make America Great Again!
MALE: Most of the illegal immigrants in this country are either criminals -- TRUMP: No, not at all. I never said that. No, I think most of them are good people. I love that question, because hopefully, maybe somebody -- no, I think most of them are very good people but they are here illegally and we're a country of laws and we're a country of borders. We have to have a border and we'll have a border and we'll have a wall and the wall is going to have a big beautiful door where people can some in legally and also where we can bring talented people. We need that in the Silicon Valley when somebody goes to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, the Wharton school of finance, we send them out as soon as they graduate. They can't stay here. It's ridiculous. They want to be here. So, then they go to their country wherever it may be, whether it's Asia, Mexico, wherever it may be and they compete against us. I don't want that. I'll have one more then, yes, ma'am? Go ahead.
MALE: Most of the illegal immigrants in this country are either criminals -- TRUMP: No, not at all. I never said that. No, I think most of them are good people. I love that question, because hopefully, maybe somebody -- no, I think most of them are very good people but they are here illegally and we're a country of laws and we're a country of borders. We have to have a border and we'll have a border and we'll have a wall and the wall is going to have a big beautiful door where people can some in legally and also where we can bring talented people. We need that in the Silicon Valley when somebody goes to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, the Wharton school of finance, we send them out as soon as they graduate. They can't stay here. It's ridiculous. They want to be here. So, then they go to their country wherever it may be, whether it's Asia, Mexico, wherever it may be and they compete against us. I don't want that. I'll have one more then, yes, ma'am? Go ahead. urthur 发表于 8/26/2015 12:47:07 PM
MALE: Most of the illegal immigrants in this country are either criminals -- TRUMP: No, not at all. I never said that. No, I think most of them are good people. I love that question, because hopefully, maybe somebody -- no, I think most of them are very good people but they are here illegally and we're a country of laws and we're a country of borders. We have to have a border and we'll have a border and we'll have a wall and the wall is going to have a big beautiful door where people can some in legally and also where we can bring talented people. We need that in the Silicon Valley when somebody goes to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, the Wharton school of finance, we send them out as soon as they graduate. They can't stay here. It's ridiculous. They want to be here. So, then they go to their country wherever it may be, whether it's Asia, Mexico, wherever it may be and they compete against us. I don't want that. I'll have one more then, yes, ma'am? Go ahead.
Donald Trump did a racist impression of an Asian accent at his campaign rally on Tuesday evening in Iowa.
Trump told the audience that he is a tough negotiator, and as an example he compared what he described as Jeb Bush’s lethargic style to his own, more aggressive negotiating methods.
“We want killers,” Trump said, because when negotiating with the Chinese and Japanese, they get to the point and say, “WE WANT DEAL!”
Trump emulated a cartoonish Asian accent, and his supporters laughed and applauded.
Donald Trump did a racist impression of an Asian accent at his campaign rally on Tuesday evening in Iowa.
Trump told the audience that he is a tough negotiator, and as an example he compared what he described as Jeb Bush’s lethargic style to his own, more aggressive negotiating methods.
“We want killers,” Trump said, because when negotiating with the Chinese and Japanese, they get to the point and say, “WE WANT DEAL!”
Trump emulated a cartoonish Asian accent, and his supporters laughed and applauded.
Donald Trump did a racist impression of an Asian accent at his campaign rally on Tuesday evening in Iowa.
Trump told the audience that he is a tough negotiator, and as an example he compared what he described as Jeb Bush’s lethargic style to his own, more aggressive negotiating methods.
“We want killers,” Trump said, because when negotiating with the Chinese and Japanese, they get to the point and say, “WE WANT DEAL!”
Trump emulated a cartoonish Asian accent, and his supporters laughed and applauded.
Trump对Asian算是政客里没啥偏见的，他反复说Asian leader smart, 在美国读书有很多Asian以及别的国家的人应该留下来为美国做贡献，而不是回去成为美国的对手。Bush出来找Asian作为替罪羊的时候他也call out on Bush。就这样媒体还要挑拨。。。好在大部分Asian像Trump说的一样是很smart的，不会上当。。。
Donald Trump did a racist impression of an Asian accent at his campaign rally on Tuesday evening in Iowa.
Trump told the audience that he is a tough negotiator, and as an example he compared what he described as Jeb Bush’s lethargic style to his own, more aggressive negotiating methods.
“We want killers,” Trump said, because when negotiating with the Chinese and Japanese, they get to the point and say, “WE WANT DEAL!”
Trump emulated a cartoonish Asian accent, and his supporters laughed and applauded.
yahoo上的报道 http://news.yahoo.com/jeb-bush-asians-abusing-us-birthright-citizenship-222325629.html
Trump也是这么认为的。
point is, weren't you holding Jeb up as your knight in shining armor?
and, if you happen to read through the comment section, mainstream American do not typically think of Asians when talking about anchor babies, only illegal Hispanics. Not saying racism doesn't exist, or the birthing centers aren't legally grey, but I think you are very much blinded by your own experiences...
But Trump's campaign manager thinks otherwise.
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Let me spell out the difference between Trump and J Bush for you.
At least on the record and until this moment, Trump is focusing on the legal aspect of birthing, meaning he would like to tighten the rules for anyone who is coming to US illegally or under false pretenses to give birth. The Chinese birthing centers just happen to be one of the latest and more notorious examples (other than the latinos).
J. Bush however is publicly SINGLING out Asians in an attempt to defuse his recent gaffes and also because many members from his wife family's came over illegally.
I am concerned about Trump, about his ploy to get the votes and what his future steps might be. But at least I think he could have some merit as President. Jeb is a big no go for me
Well said!
I'm a bit worry about Hispanic vote for Trump, but that concern is more for general election, and climate would be different then with running mate etc.
Since you are a so law abiding person, then you should know that giving a birth while the woman is on temporary non immigration visa does not against any current immigration law. Other words, it is 100% legal. Then why the heck Trump or Jeb, both of them, on the record, did they bash those Chinese women, and further insulted those legal American Citizen babies as "Anchor Baby"?
Getting visas under false pretenses is illegal. Is it not? In case you weren't familiar with the details of why FBI is getting onto their case, here is an article http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-birth-tourism-schemes-raids-20150303-story.html
http://reason.com/blog/2015/03/04/fbi-raids-alleged-birthing-centers-for-r
Or did you hear something completely different out of what Jeb and Trump's aid said?
Bush's IQ is less than 1/10 of Trump's. He has no chance for this election. Trump was right. Bush has no energy and is stupid. Who would want such a president except for ppl donate money to him and hope to manipulate him one day for political and economic rewards.
If you are familiar with Immigration law, you should know that being pregnant is not a base to deny an visa application. Although, in reality, I have to admit that those women's real attention is to give a birth in US, but you just cannot say they misrepresent the reasons while applying the tourist visa. Actually, it is hard to approve, unless they were caught by presenting the false documentation, while requiring an visa.
The following quote from a conservative american might enlighten you some:“These people aren’t doing anything in violation of our laws,” said Mark Krikorian, the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates tougher immigration controls. “But if anything, it is worse than illegal immigrants delivering a baby here. Those kids are socialized as Americans. This phenomenon of coming to the U.S. and then leaving with people who have unlimited access to come back is just ridiculous.”
How can you approve their actual plan is to give birth here? You cannot. It is like F1 applicants, when the VO asks you if you would come back to your original country, after you finish your program, I guess 100% will answer "yes". Some will be back, some will not. Can I say those did not come back has committed a visa violation by mispresenting a false claim/statement, while applying the visa? And don't kid yourself that all F1 applicants' original plan are coming back to their original country, after they finish their program. We all know the truth, don't we?
exactly!
Not trying to advocate birthing tourism, but if these women have the intent to deceive, at least come discreetly instead of through a birthing center. That's as big of a target as it can get...
America is pretty decent in this regard -- it almost always assumes a person is innocent until proven guilty. These women under discussion here are catching the flak because they clearly came with the intent to give birth. Why else contact a birthing center, fork over so much money, and return home immediately after they have a child?
I am really confused about why you so very much like to defend the cases which are on the wrong side of the law...just to prove you can be as much of a victim and "vulnerable" as these people? Or try to fish for excuse by saying everybody is equally culpable? (which by the way is not true) If that's your hope, then China should be extinct, UK should be extinct, US should be hung...because just about every single nation on earth has committed one atrocity or another at some point..
There is a clear distinction in F1's case. The key is that you can't be proven lying AT the time of visa interview. F1 could always argue they did plan to come back at the time of the interview, but several years later when they get their degree things change so they change their plan, blablah... The same can't be argued in birth center's case due to the fact those ladies knew about their prenancy and contacted birth center already at the time of the interview.
Well, you said it all, a person is innocent until proven guilty. I followed the case a bit, the feds was to charge the birth center with Tax Fraud, that said, they did not have legal ground to charge those women directly. Then, unfortunately, they fled and caught the flak.
And frankly speaking, I was not defending anything, all I did was trying to put my own feet into other ppl's shoes. Am I trying to prove that , one day, I might be as" vulnerable" as those ppl? Maybe. I have been living here for almost two decades, I was used to be so naive to think that I could be equal to the whites, well, lesson learned. You may call me too sensitive, but all I can say is "the winter is coming".
Well, I am not trying to be ridiculous here, but obviously, when you talked about those women, you are applying double standards on them, and your points are full of bias.
First, I already cited the immigration law that being pregnant is not a base to deny an visa application. Second, contacting birth center, prior to interview, is hard to approve that they are trying to mispresent the reasons for requiring an visa. Don't you think it is logical that a pregnant woman will be on her way to have a tour, she contacts a local birth center, whom does not only speak her language, but also does it provide all necessary services to protect her and the unborn baby, if an unexpected labor would accur? To me, it makes sense.
It doesn't make sense at all.
Normal women will stay at her own place/home waiting for their babies to be born, rather than to travel/tour overseas especially during the last term of pregnancy and to contact a birth center ahead of time.
What's the rush to tour a place during pregnancy? Shouldn't they rest as much as possible for the good sake of the babies?
Don't you think the conspiracy is too obvious?
Trump's manager said nothing about they were not against Asian anchor babies, because they treat all illegal immigrants the same, and that's the way it should be, regardless the race.
TRUMP明显比他聪明多了. anchor baby是他先提出来的，就算被批不pc人家从来都不backdown,
布什一被批，就软了，还用亚洲人来做挡箭牌来kiss latino的ass， 又软弱又笨拙
Bush是不是嫌自己给自己挖的坑还不够深？来，来，来，大家帮忙往他身上泼些土。
Ya! Not only Jeb Bush is stupid, but also a wuss!
That's what they do best, when there is officer involved shooting, they first check if the person shot is black & shooter is non-black, if yes, they immediately call that discrimination and it's all over the news and protest/riot is justified no matter what actually caused the shooting. If the shooter is black and/or the person shot in any other color, they ignore it, just like that 9-year black girl in Ferguson. At least that's what's happening under Obama. They look at your color first to decide where they stand.
一个人嫌自家穷，邻居家富，趁着邻居不在家睡邻居的床，吃邻居的饭，花邻居家的钱，哦，顺便帮邻居打扫一下院子做一下家务（月子中心甚至连这点都没做到），然后对邻居讲，你应该敞开双臂欢迎我，我帮你干活了。
这种惊悚事情若发生在个人身上，那是妥妥进警察局的节奏。但为什么一旦放大到国家级别就不是个事儿了？在你坚持讨论人文关怀之前，咱们不应该先论道论道第一个人的居心吗？比如不请自来，不问自取，理所当然
丁是丁，卯是卯。由于非移确实引发了许多人道和经济问题，这个现象的利与弊一直很有争议，但那并不代表大家非要将善心与律法混为一谈，把不接受非移一概形容为缺乏人文关怀，因为想要维护月子中心所以质疑所有F1的合法性。你要是出于自己被歧视过而为他们辩护那就更可笑了，把自己等同于非移等同于月子中心的顾客根本就是在践踏贬低一切正当的成就。为什么要这么看不起自己？更重要的是你为什么把月子中心generalize到所有合法移民？
我们说的 innocent until proven guilty指个人，但是月子中心的现象却毫无置疑。美国政客可以拿月子中心做文章，但却不能随便挑出来你和我说我们用不正当理由获得我们的签证。美国政客目前确实没有step over the line. Jeb 已经很接近了
移民问题的可怕性就在于很多美国人企图用法律掩饰歧视，用正义掩饰他们的懦弱和狭隘，这种时候我们更要把两个问题拆开来解决，批评歧视，但是遵守法律。你现在的论点根本就在拖后腿
Bush yahoo上的报道 http://news.yahoo.com/jeb-bush-asians-abusing-us-birthright-citizenship-222325629.html
Trump tweet 1:In a clumsy move to get out of his "anchor babies" dilemma, where he signed that he would not use the term and now uses it, he blamed ASIANS
Trump tweet 2: Asians are very offended that JEB said that anchor babies applies to them as a way to be more politically correct to hispanics. A mess!
MM你说的太好啦，我就喜欢你这种有理有据的辩论！
我已经成为trump粉丝了 明年一定投票给他
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虽然我真的很不喜欢kelly，但是这次trump有点不得当了。
不过完全不影响我支持他，呵呵。
reality show讲究这个，trump没忘记本行啊。。。我还看有评论开玩笑说trump and kelly have sexual tension所以要对骂哈哈
呵呵。这样啊。
Trump回应了Fox的批评，表示他disagree, 但也略微吹捧了一下fox，暗示他只是认为kelly不够格的同时也留了些余地。
I totally disagree with the FOX statement. I do not think Megyn Kelly is a quality journalist. I think her questioning of me, despite all of the polls saying I won the debate, was very unfair. Hopefully in the future I will be proven wrong and she will be able to elevate her standards to a level of professionalism that a network such as FOX deserves.
More importantly, I am very pleased to see the latest polls from Public Policy Polling showing me at a strong number one with 35% in New Hampshire, the Monmouth University poll showing me, again at number one, with 30% in South Carolina and the latest national poll from Gravis where I am again the clear front runner with 40%. It was also just announced that I won the prestigious corn kernel poll at the Iowa State Fair by a landslide.
I will be in Iowa tonight with my speech being broadcast live on CNN and other networks. My sole focus in running for the Presidency is to Make America Great Again!
打情骂俏，哈哈
好比那个Judge Jeanine
每次人身攻击都有浓浓的负面能量。。。
还有Hannity? Greta?
这个kelly确实没必要，不过我觉得他攻击Bush很有正能量，我看着很爽，哈哈
还有上次说Sanders连自己的mic都不能defend, 如何defend this country, 也很一针见血
说到点子上的时候畅快淋漓。但也有很多时候批评的没头没脑。
trump是一朵彻底的水仙，一切以自己为中心，可也不是一般认知中的自私，不是mean
但别人看他不会这样想。特别那些边缘人士会去模仿他，能做出很可怖很反人类的事情。the president shouldn't bring out the worst in people.
给你看一篇 http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/31/the-fearful-and-the-frustrated
我是感觉他如果现在不这样的话，根本无法在GOP establishment反对他的情况下抓住媒体注意，取得这么大的领先。他在利用他reality star的优势，多少有些夸张。像Carson那样的理智大白兔只能拿到10%+。 希望他选上以后多多发挥正能量，注意分寸。
Greta有点中性。。。
希望吧。他这么要面子的人
我觉得那个是因为逆反心理
就把她当个屁，放了吧
不过，我挺喜欢trump对待那个记者的态度的
同感
就是一直不停不停的讲根本不管别人再说什么，什么场合
最后Trump又把他叫回屋子里了，回答了他4个还是7个关于immigration的问题。Trump突然变这么大度了？我不太适应。。。
估计忍的好苦，过会他又要在twitter上发飙了
Let them out first, and then let them come back in legally
太无礼了，对同在一个屋子的其他记者也很无礼，不知道他那么激动干嘛
同赞！
媒体就是这个熊样。。以至于像CNN这次偶尔如实报道一次都让人感动不已，估计还是因为他们在直播, 实在无法歪曲。。。
这个Univision在Trump一开始说非移的时候就跳出来，发声明终结了与他的一个选美之类的节目，Trump正在sue他们。作为NBC的西语台，如果非法老莫都被送走了，他们的rating要受影响？
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/26/donald-trumps-iowa-news-conference-annotated/
关于immigration
MALE: Most of the illegal immigrants in this country are either criminals -- TRUMP: No, not at all. I never said that. No, I think most of them are good people. I love that question, because hopefully, maybe somebody -- no, I think most of them are very good people but they are here illegally and we're a country of laws and we're a country of borders. We have to have a border and we'll have a border and we'll have a wall and the wall is going to have a big beautiful door where people can some in legally and also where we can bring talented people. We need that in the Silicon Valley when somebody goes to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, the Wharton school of finance, we send them out as soon as they graduate. They can't stay here. It's ridiculous. They want to be here. So, then they go to their country wherever it may be, whether it's Asia, Mexico, wherever it may be and they compete against us. I don't want that. I'll have one more then, yes, ma'am? Go ahead.
口头上他是赞成高科技移民的
哈哈，Wharton school，他自己的母校吧？说啥都不忘了夸自己一下 :p
以前很多候选人也是藤校的，但也没啥人主动为合法移民说话，而且也没记者问，这次Trump也是借题发挥才能提到这个问题，唉，可见美国之现状。。。
Trump told the audience that he is a tough negotiator, and as an example he compared what he described as Jeb Bush’s lethargic style to his own, more aggressive negotiating methods.
“We want killers,” Trump said, because when negotiating with the Chinese and Japanese, they get to the point and say, “WE WANT DEAL!”
Trump emulated a cartoonish Asian accent, and his supporters laughed and applauded.
Trump 和支持者的眼里，老莫和亚裔真没区别。
他一直说要tough on China啊，每个候选人都这么说。通过这个怎么得出他认为“老莫和亚裔真没区别”的，这里面的逻辑我真看不出。
这个报道太断章取义了。。给你看看video ...
ibtimes的报道 http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-mocks-asians-broken-english-accent-during-campaign-rally-iowa-video-2069216
完整的speech
媒体很爱挑拨离间（不是说trump多nice)
对阿，trump很自我自恋没错，但他有自己的价值观。媒体也太爱挑拨离间了
Trump对Asian算是政客里没啥偏见的，他反复说Asian leader smart, 在美国读书有很多Asian以及别的国家的人应该留下来为美国做贡献，而不是回去成为美国的对手。Bush出来找Asian作为替罪羊的时候他也call out on Bush。就这样媒体还要挑拨。。。好在大部分Asian像Trump说的一样是很smart的，不会上当。。。
Asian本来就有accent啊，有人就是木有幽默感
每个媒体，每个记者都这样。
Indeed...
他这种身份的人应该模仿任何人么？
问题是他没有模仿成Me love you long time。如果他这样做了再来批判也不迟。竞选还长着呢。
现在的中国人，尤其是能跟Trump谈交易的英文会这么差？
他说的是买他楼的吧，好多是国内直接来的，英文能好到哪里去？但人家可不傻，上来就直接提要求，我觉得也不错，什么small talk啊，都是白人虚伪的那一套罢了，直接了当出其不意哈哈。
直截了当，跟英语程度没啥关系
想说中国人／日本人直截了当, 那就直接说中国人／日本人直截了当。为什么用憋脚英文才能形容出中国人／日本人直截了当？
再说了，me love you long time，那是vietnam吧
没觉得他模仿有啥恶意，他本身就是个挺sarcastic和humorous的人