【奥巴去广岛,称美国不能“repeat the evil”,为反法西斯的胜利道歉?】大选聊天帖

唐伯虎点蚊香
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你担心的有道理,昨天Columbus也有渣去闹事了

这件事上是对的,我也为Trump点赞。可是担心那些BLM越战越勇,四处去Trump的event捣乱,很难保证supporter都理智react, 到时候出了乱子又得Trump负责。。。luckyso 发表于 2015-11-24 10:03 AM
唐伯虎点蚊香
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GOP super PAC 要 “defeat and destroy" Trump。真替他捏把汗,太不容易了!Trump顶住!
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brookhaven
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REPUBLICAN 的  big money 又要出来反 Trump 了。 JEB 的主子到底是谁?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/24/republican-donors-operative-fueling-new-anti-trump-ad-blitz.html
唐伯虎点蚊香
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/24/republican-donors-operative-fueling-new-anti-trump-ad-blitz.html

RE: 【辟谣,Trump根本没说过要实施msl数据库,媒体扭曲】大家来聊pr... GOP super PAC 要 “defeat and destroy" Trump。真替他捏把汗,太不容易了!Trump顶住!唐伯虎点蚊香 发表于 2015-11-24 10:07 AM
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ronyning
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觉得GOP就是自毁长城,本来候选人就干不过希拉里,好不容易出个川普,能对峙一阵子。还要自己把自己人搞下去。估计GOP的老头子,觉得川普不会听话。要扶植一个傀儡罢了。川普真是两边不讨好!可怜呀!不过还是希望他能赢!
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PositiveVibe
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觉得GOP就是自毁长城,本来候选人就干不过希拉里,好不容易出个川普,能对峙一阵子。还要自己把自己人搞下去。估计GOP的老头子,觉得川普不会听话。要扶植一个傀儡罢了。川普真是两边不讨好!可怜呀!不过还是希望他能赢!
  ronyning 发表于 11/24/2015 10:18:14 AM
窝里斗,啥也不说了
唐伯虎点蚊香
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Trump动了太多人的🍰了,bless this great guy!

窝里斗,啥也不说了PositiveVibe 发表于 2015-11-24 10:55 AM
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whyhere
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南无大愿地藏王菩萨!
BLESS Trump 化险为夷,魅力大涨!
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luckyso
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Trump昨天发tweet已经warn GOP了。希望没事!
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PositiveVibe
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Trump昨天发tweet已经warn GOP了。希望没事!
  luckyso 发表于 11/24/2015 11:44:46 AM

我不担心他,他在那个board room里真是什么个斗法形形色色的人都见过,全被他三言两语,控制得服服帖帖的
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luckyso
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感觉这个msl欢呼的故事把那个BLM的都压下去了。实际是利好。那个才是真正的campaign威胁
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ronyning
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如果有录像为证!估计媒体又被川普打脸了!
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brookhaven
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如果有录像为证!估计媒体又被川普打脸了!
  ronyning 发表于 11/24/2015 1:15:33 PM
  可惜 小左根本无脑。。。
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cherubtessie
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因为这样最容易夺得媒体的眼球。这次巴黎事件,BLM不是说,抢了他们的风头吗!妈呀那是人命呀!还考虑风头。看了几个大学校长的道歉。真是浓浓的文革的味道!

  ronyning 发表于 11/23/2015 1:50:56 PM
就是wg啊,他们估计没读过啥书,都不知道历史上有那么相似的运动,把天朝弄成啥鸟样过。还天天在那嘲笑天朝嘲笑北朝,不知道自己也在走这条路,呵呵
刚刚漂了眼cnn,在讲什么Paris attack的时候讲到网络黑客战争,居然没讲isis,重点讲了天朝老毛子和北朝和伊朗,在他们眼里可能这些国家更像是恐怖主义,政治多么正确,呵呵
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cherubtessie
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  我觉得他说的三个都没太大问题。。。world trade center倒的时候肯定很多欢呼的,我当时在国内都有很多,这边没有我不信,这次Turkey球迷都能在默哀的时候嘘声一片。。。最多是主流媒体没报,是不是有thousands不好说。refugee的数量很多版本,Trump说他是自己的source, 他也一直说是I heard。 gun问题是个圈套,不这样回答就中计了,媒体一会就得大字报:Trump calls for stricter gun control...
   其实我比较担心的是他关于对于BLM "maybe they deserve to be roughed up"的言论。。。
  
  

  luckyso 发表于 11/23/2015 2:09:59 PM
是啊,我记得当时天朝至少是幸灾乐祸的态度,这态度肯定不只是天朝有,美帝内部肯定也有,有些人不愿意看到不愿意相信而已。都以为自己是宇宙中心,大家都希望他们好似的
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cherubtessie
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转自mit:
今天听新泽西最大广播电台节目,早上晚上不同的主持人都在讨论这件事.一开始主持人只是问这种夸张要不要紧,结果n多听众打电话进来说亲见所说的至少几百人的celebration,结果到最后主持人说,好吗,原来根本就不是夸张啊
  luckyso 发表于 11/23/2015 11:19:58 PM

讲真,真是佩服川普的guts,甭管选不选得上,这时候敢站出来讲这话而且讲了也不退缩的就得服啊
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cherubtessie
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觉得GOP就是自毁长城,本来候选人就干不过希拉里,好不容易出个川普,能对峙一阵子。还要自己把自己人搞下去。估计GOP的老头子,觉得川普不会听话。要扶植一个傀儡罢了。川普真是两边不讨好!可怜呀!不过还是希望他能赢!
  ronyning 发表于 11/24/2015 10:18:14 AM
想到湾湾的洪秀柱了,最后还不是被不要脸的党内搞下去了
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brookhaven
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Trump昨天发tweet已经warn GOP了。希望没事!
  luckyso 发表于 11/24/2015 11:44:46 AM
他能怎么WARN? 难不成威胁?
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luckyso
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他能怎么WARN? 难不成威胁?
  brookhaven 发表于 11/24/2015 1:49:48 PM
@WSJ reports that @GOP getting ready to treat me unfairly—big spending planned against me. That wasn’t the deal!
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ronyning
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@WSJ reports that @GOP getting ready to treat me unfairly—big spending planned against me. That wasn’t the deal!
  luckyso 发表于 11/24/2015 2:09:09 PM


这算是挑明了把!希望利用公众的力量,让GOP,小心一点,不要一意孤行。但是其他候选人真是阿斗呀!怎么选呀!
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brookhaven
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问题是这谁也WARN不了啊。 充其量算他自己发个牢骚。。GOP跟现在的台湾国民党一个作风啊。大不了单独参选吧。那DEM 的目的就到达了-SPLIT GOP。。。
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PositiveVibe
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问题是这谁也WARN不了啊。 充其量算他自己发个牢骚。。GOP跟现在的台湾国民党一个作风啊。大不了单独参选吧。那DEM 的目的就到达了-SPLIT GOP。。。

  brookhaven 发表于 11/24/2015 2:14:32 PM

他不是说不排除indenpendent竞选么
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luckyso
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问题是这谁也WARN不了啊。 充其量算他自己发个牢骚。。GOP跟现在的台湾国民党一个作风啊。大不了单独参选吧。那DEM 的目的就到达了-SPLIT GOP。。。

  brookhaven 发表于 11/24/2015 2:14:32 PM
我觉得最大的作用就是告诉选民,GOP要搞我了,他们一点也不fair, 让选民更气愤,更加anti - establishment
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urthur
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   他不是说不排除indenpendent竞选么
  
   PositiveVibe 发表于 11/24/2015 2:25:53 PM

He specifically mentioned the deal, which has to do with the pledge RNC pushed him to sign.  
  I am not sure he will go independent route, he very likely won't win that way.  But this serves as his leverage to bargain I guess, because RNC won't like Trump going independent
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PositiveVibe
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俩俄飞行员跳伞逃生以后,被叙利亚土库曼旅打死,普金一定要跟土耳其死磕!
而且土耳其这块地就跟个三角形的楔子是的插在两片叙利亚领土之间,非常容易横穿。
NND,O8的论调是要不是俄国滋事,怎么会被打落战机。


唐伯虎点蚊香
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他那个调调和msl恐怖分子相当一致啊

俩俄飞行员跳伞逃生以后,被叙利亚土库曼旅打死,普金一定要跟土耳其死磕! 而且土耳其这块地就跟个三角形的楔子是的插在两片叙利亚领土之间,非常容易横穿。 NND,O8的论调是要不是俄国滋事,怎么会被打落战机。PositiveVibe 发表于 2015-11-24 15:01 PM
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luckyso
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他那个调调和msl恐怖分子相当一致啊


  唐伯虎点蚊香 发表于 11/24/2015 3:00:44 PM
对啊,我看社交媒体上不少美国人都要和俄罗斯站在一边了,美国实在是太双标精分了
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luckyso
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'Severe blow': Al Qaeda suicide bomber takes out leadership of key ISIS brigade
这些人真是不可理喻,把他们圈起来自己打就可以了,自己可以制衡自己
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goldengate
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他那个调调和msl恐怖分子相当一致啊


  唐伯虎点蚊香 发表于 11/24/2015 3:00:44 PM
说他是他们的头头不为过。
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goldengate
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窝里斗,啥也不说了

  PositiveVibe 发表于 11/24/2015 10:53:55 AM
不能说他们窝里斗。说实在的Trump跟他们不是一窝的。之前有人说要选Rubio。Rubio才是GOP现在的红人。
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goldengate
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这算是挑明了把!希望利用公众的力量,让GOP,小心一点,不要一意孤行。但是其他候选人真是阿斗呀!怎么选呀!


  ronyning 发表于 11/24/2015 2:12:45 PM
Trump只能靠草根力量了。就是不知道能不能送他进白宫。
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luckyso
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德国犹太人领袖支持限制难民流入
他警告称,很多难民出身“仇视犹太人和不宽容”的文化,若不限制流入将损害德国价值观
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luckyso
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Trump只能靠草根力量了。就是不知道能不能送他进白宫。

  goldengate 发表于 11/24/2015 5:45:18 PM
提名了以后就会好很多。Trump也会借机和他们和解。民主党还是最大的敌人,那些铺天盖地的左媒抹黑能力不是盖的
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goldengate
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http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/11/23/bill-oreilly-confronts-donald-trump-about-retweeting-inaccurate-statistics-about-black
这个采访还挺搞笑的
  luckyso 发表于 11/24/2015 5:21:15 PM
Bill 说的是对的。他好多话可以说但是说到具体数据还是要谨慎一些。
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luckyso
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Bill 说的是对的。他好多话可以说但是说到具体数据还是要谨慎一些。

  goldengate 发表于 11/24/2015 6:01:21 PM
是的。Bill还是非常reasonable的。好在这是初选,如果是大选,特别容易被左媒抓住把柄天天轰炸
唐伯虎点蚊香
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我也快精分了,每次听它说话,我都要把自己折磨一遍,这个渣怎么还就连任了???

对啊,我看社交媒体上不少美国人都要和俄罗斯站在一边了,美国实在是太双标精分了luckyso 发表于 2015-11-24 19:08 PM
唐伯虎点蚊香
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怎么就能任由它胡作非为的??!!

说他是他们的头头不为过。goldengate 发表于 2015-11-24 19:10 PM
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luckyso
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Canada on Tuesday announced a scaled-back Syrian refugee plan that gives the highest priority to the “most vulnerable” and reportedly will exclude some unaccompanied males, amid concerns in the U.S. and elsewhere that Islamic State fighters could slip through the vetting systems.

The priority will go to families, at-risk women and members of the LGBT community. Single men will be granted admission only if accompanying their parents or if they are part of the LGBT community, according to several Canadian news agencies.
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luckyso
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芝加哥又开始闹了,估计又是O8资助的?
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luckyso
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Trump在刚才的speech里面说自己之前mock Carson的那个片段nasty了,他老婆告诉他的,算个非正式的道歉吧
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Riahnna
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Canada on Tuesday announced a scaled-back Syrian refugee plan that gives the highest priority to the “most vulnerable” and reportedly will exclude some unaccompanied males, amid concerns in the U.S. and elsewhere that Islamic State fighters could slip through the vetting systems.

The priority will go to families, at-risk women and members of the LGBT community. Single men will be granted admission only if accompanying their parents or if they are part of the LGBT community, according to several Canadian news agencies.
  luckyso 发表于 11/24/2015 8:35:43 PM

LGBT哪哪都有福利啊。。。
不过也好,总算是做点安慰人心的事情
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PositiveVibe
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Trump在刚才的speech里面说自己之前mock Carson的那个片段nasty了,他老婆告诉他的,算个非正式的道歉吧
  luckyso 发表于 11/24/2015 8:39:03 PM
道个屁欠啊,他老婆不要多事,妇人之见,烦
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goldengate
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Canada on Tuesday announced a scaled-back Syrian refugee plan that gives the highest priority to the “most vulnerable” and reportedly will exclude some unaccompanied males, amid concerns in the U.S. and elsewhere that Islamic State fighters could slip through the vetting systems.

The priority will go to families, at-risk women and members of the LGBT community. Single men will be granted admission only if accompanying their parents or if they are part of the LGBT community, according to several Canadian news agencies.
  luckyso 发表于 11/24/2015 8:35:43 PM
good move 我觉得要真的左,就干点保护妇女儿童的事情。
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BlueNDGold
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芝加哥又开始闹了,估计又是O8资助的?
  luckyso 发表于 11/24/2015 8:36:29 PM
给你提供个视频。在没有对任何人构成危险的时候被警察开枪打死。

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luckyso
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给你提供个视频。在没有对任何人构成危险的时候被警察开枪打死。
  
  

  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 11/24/2015 8:58:37 PM
看了呀,那个人手里有刀子,是armed robbery的suspect。视频里面没声音,有可能警察向他喊了好几句放下刀不听呢,这种情况下是不是可以打死?
警察的做法有争议,这个人也不是好鸟。走法律程序就可以了,不是已经charge了吗?至于大规模的protest吗?天天黑杀黑怎么没人protest?
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BlueNDGold
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看了呀,那个人手里有刀子,是armed robbery的suspect。视频里面没声音,有可能警察向他喊了好几句放下刀不听呢,这种情况下是不是可以打死?
   警察的做法有争议,这个人也不是好鸟。走法律程序就可以了,不是已经charge了吗?至于大规模的protest吗?天天黑杀黑怎么没人protest?
  
    luckyso 发表于 11/24/2015 9:06:18 PM

警察只有在嫌疑犯对别人构成了生命危险的时候才能使用deadly force。
  
   控告了管什么?夏天好几名警察都被“控告”了,连个grand jury indictment 都没拿到。可见这些prosecutors多么重视这种案子了。
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luckyso
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  警察只有在嫌疑犯对别人构成了生命危险的时候才能使用deadly force。
    
    控告了管什么?夏天好几名警察都被“控告”了,连个grand jury indictment 都没拿到。可见这些prosecutors多么重视这种案子了。
    
  
  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 11/24/2015 9:17:10 PM
那人拿着刀,如何能证明他对别人生命没威胁?
prosecutor不重视?你真是开玩笑,在现在的政治氛围下,只有从严从重。这个已经charge了,你还要怎么重视?grand jury是普通人组成的,你说群众的眼睛都瞎了?
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PositiveVibe
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今天freddie gray案子的第一名警察的trial开始
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PositiveVibe
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  警察只有在嫌疑犯对别人构成了生命危险的时候才能使用deadly force。
    
    控告了管什么?夏天好几名警察都被“控告”了,连个grand jury indictment 都没拿到。可见这些prosecutors多么重视这种案子了。
    
  
  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 11/24/2015 9:17:10 PM

前两天union station,类似情况,警察让一个人放下刀子,不放,警察就开枪了,还不小心打到一个路人的腿,大概那个拿刀子的不是黑人,警察什么事也没有
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BlueNDGold
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那人拿着刀,如何能证明他对别人生命没威胁?
prosecutor不重视?你真是开玩笑,在现在的政治氛围下,只有从严从重。这个已经charge了,你还要怎么重视?grand jury是普通人组成的,你说群众的眼睛都瞎了?

  luckyso 发表于 11/24/2015 9:24:11 PM

我是说那些prosecutors根本就是糊弄人。很多有证据的案子都故意弄砸了。
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BlueNDGold
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那人拿着刀,如何能证明他对别人生命没威胁?
prosecutor不重视?你真是开玩笑,在现在的政治氛围下,只有从严从重。这个已经charge了,你还要怎么重视?grand jury是普通人组成的,你说群众的眼睛都瞎了?

  luckyso 发表于 11/24/2015 9:24:11 PM
拿着3英寸的刀, 也就是跟手指头一样大小.跟距离最近的人不止十尺。没有向任何人靠近。也就只有睁眼说瞎话的人才说的出他对任何人构成了生命危险。
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nodepanda
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拿着刀气势汹汹的朝一堆警察走过去,然而人家对任何人不构成威胁,没有危险,为什么呢?因为人是天使阿。警察干什么呢,不知道天使是神圣不可侵犯的嘛。
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luckyso
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拿着3英寸的刀, 也就是跟手指头一样大小.跟距离最近的人不止十尺。没有向任何人靠近。也就只有睁眼说瞎话的人才说的出他对任何人构成了生命危险。
  
    BlueNDGold 发表于 11/24/2015 10:04:57 PM

但他刚抢劫了人,现在不听警察的话,大马路上不放下刀子。想要证明他没构成危险,如何证明?Burden of proof在检方,要很严格的证明他没构成危险,所以这些案子很困难。法律系统就是如此,宁可放过坏人,也不冤枉好人,对所有的被告都一样。
这些人protest不就是想让由“无罪推定"变成“有罪推定”,bend the law to their favor, 和普通大众不玩同一个游戏吗?
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luckyso
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Trump's deportation plan -- smart, silly or wrong?
Just over half of American voters support Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s suggestion to deport the millions of immigrants who are in the country illegally.  

Some 52 percent favor deporting illegal immigrants back to their home countries, while 40 percent are opposed, according to the latest Fox News national poll.

Republicans like the idea by a much wider 46-point margin (70-24 percent), while Democrats oppose it by a 24-point margin (58-34 percent).
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luckyso
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On Tuesday, President Barack Obama said that despite terror threats, Americans should continue living their lives and go “shopping.” But in 2008, then-candidate Obama criticized President George W. Bush for telling people to shop.
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luckyso
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Mike Rawlings: Dallas Mayor Says He Is 'More Fearful' of White Men Shooting People Than Syrian Refugees
这不是种族歧视吗?
想象一下如果把white换成black恐怕现在已经下课了。。。
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brookhaven
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Trump's deportation plan -- smart, silly or wrong?
Just over half of American voters support Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s suggestion to deport the millions of immigrants who are in the country illegally.  

Some 52 percent favor deporting illegal immigrants back to their home countries, while 40 percent are opposed, according to the latest Fox News national poll.

Republicans like the idea by a much wider 46-point margin (70-24 percent), while Democrats oppose it by a 24-point margin (58-34 percent).
  luckyso 发表于 11/24/2015 11:40:05 PM
DEM 们闲的没事做竟然也去TAKE  FOX 的 POLL。。。
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luckyso
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DEM 们闲的没事做竟然也去TAKE  FOX 的 POLL。。。

  brookhaven 发表于 11/25/2015 1:32:34 PM
是fox找调研公司做的,一般是通过打电话
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whyhere
4661 楼
刀子扔出去能伤人吗 ?!
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cindyzz328
4662 楼
FOX new并不支持trump的样子。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。可惜剩下的都是草包
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luckyso
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luckyso
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FOX new并不支持trump的样子。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。可惜剩下的都是草包
  cindyzz328 发表于 11/25/2015 1:40:06 PM
foxnews支持establishment,除了选民,没有一个媒体支持Trump。过了初选会好些。
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luckyso
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whyhere
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  luckyso 发表于 11/25/2015 2:01:11 PM
获救的飞行员不是说,没收到任何警告。
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luckyso
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U.S. Admits 680K Immigrants from Muslim Countries Over 5 Years
A new analysis from the Senate Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest shows the shocking trajectory that has grown sharply over the past 5 years.
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luckyso
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获救的飞行员不是说,没收到任何警告。

  whyhere 发表于 11/25/2015 2:09:15 PM
CNN说Turkey提供了一个audio,很不清楚,大意是这样。不过这是警告"approaching", 而且没说要打下来。然后还重复了10遍?说瞎话都不带打草稿的。土鸡国真不要脸。
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ceciliaring
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U.S. Admits 680K Immigrants from Muslim Countries Over 5 Years
A new analysis from the Senate Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest shows the shocking trajectory that has grown sharply over the past 5 years.
luckyso 发表于 11/25/2015 2:11:46 PM

不知道其他国家的移民总数怎么样。过去五年内,那就是说都是在o8任期内进来的。background check 做了么?因为什么引入的?
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ceciliaring
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U.S. Admits 680K Immigrants from Muslim Countries Over 5 Years
A new analysis from the Senate Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest shows the shocking trajectory that has grown sharply over the past 5 years.
luckyso 发表于 11/25/2015 2:11:46 PM

68万可真是不少啊。。。。
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luckyso
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Germany's military is ready to help French forces tackle Islamic State, Angela Merkel says http://bloom.bg/1Xqc8oO
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luckyso
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68万可真是不少啊。。。。

  ceciliaring 发表于 11/25/2015 2:19:03 PM
像法国一样人口比例11%msl, 新生儿一半以上就没救了。Give it ten or twenty years.
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brookhaven
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68万可真是不少啊。。。。

  ceciliaring 发表于 11/25/2015 2:19:03 PM
  既然他们说ACCEPT 的是IMMIGRANTS 就是说都给了绿卡??????
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luckyso
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Switzerland: Ticino Region Approves Ban on Wearing Burqas in Public
Women seen wearing the full face veils in public can be fined up to $9,830 under a law approved by referendum in 2013 and by the regional Parliament this week. The ban includes tourists.
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luckyso
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  既然他们说ACCEPT 的是IMMIGRANTS 就是说都给了绿卡??????

  brookhaven 发表于 11/25/2015 2:28:25 PM
给不给绿卡有区别吗?反正人家是不走了。再说他们这么能生,小孩自动是公民
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whyhere
4677 楼
南无大愿地藏王菩萨!
BLESS 所有敢说真话的人!
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brookhaven
4678 楼
Colmes vs. Rush: Are Obama and ISIS linked?
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4631640631001/colmes-vs-rush-are-obama-and-isis-linked/?#sp=show-clips
  luckyso 发表于 11/25/2015 3:17:54 PM
  不光是他。 包括法国英国在内。 不少国家都有根ISIS LINKED。 就在人民被炸的时候包括炸完之后, 法国的军舰好像一直在海湾处守着, 不是为了要挟ISIS哦。 。是为了买 ISIS的油。。。
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luckyso
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Tensions rise as Russia says it's deploying anti-aircraft missiles to Syria
Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoygu said on his ministry's Twitter feed that the country would deploy S-400 defense missile systems to its Hmeymim air base near Latakia, on Syria's Mediterranean coast.

The missiles have a range of 250 kilometers (155 miles), according to the missilethreat.com website. The Turkish border is less than 30 miles away.

And Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told Russian TV on Wednesday that Russia has "serious doubts" that Turkey's downing of its warplane Tuesday was "an unpremeditated act."

"It looks very much like a planned provocation," Lavrov said.
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brookhaven
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昨天的台湾节目竟然还把这些关系描述的一清二楚的
http://2015.vslovetv.com/2015/11/news-tornada-20151124.html
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luckyso
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NATO不再同心同德?这次土鸡的行动没准反而帮了Putin:It may also be a gain for Putin.
For all those years he has was trying to undermine NATO unity, Erdogan's hasty move has handed it to him on a plate.

During the Cuban missile crisis of 1962, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, the deployment of nuclear weapons in western Europe in the 1980s and many other causes of strife, NATO did not take on the Soviet Union or Russia directly and Moscow did not attack any NATO country.

That all changed when Turkish air force jets shot down a Russian bomber Tuesday -- the first time a NATO country has taken such action since 1952.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has been trying to undermine the unity of NATO for years. Whether it's been Russian planes flying in Baltic airspace, aging bombers buzzing the coast of Britain, the destabilization of Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea, he has needled NATO, testing its resolve and probing for division. The downing of Russia's fighter plane may help Putin reach his goal of destabilizing and dividing NATO.

这次事件后:
But, already, German and Czech officials are expressing surprise at Turkey's action -- taken after the Russian plane was inside Turkish airspace for 30 seconds or less, according to U.S. calculations.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/25/europe/nato-putin-turkey-syria-analysis/index.html
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brookhaven
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NATO不再同心同德?这次土鸡的行动没准反而帮了Putin:
During the Cuban missile crisis of 1962, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, the deployment of nuclear weapons in western Europe in the 1980s and many other causes of strife, NATO did not take on the Soviet Union or Russia directly and Moscow did not attack any NATO country.

That all changed when Turkish air force jets shot down a Russian bomber Tuesday -- the first time a NATO country has taken such action since 1952.

但这次事件后:

But, already, German and Czech officials are expressing surprise at Turkey's action -- taken after the Russian plane was inside Turkish airspace for 30 seconds or less, according to U.S. calculations.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/25/europe/nato-putin-turkey-syria-analysis/index.html
  luckyso 发表于 11/25/2015 5:20:42 PM
  那只能说要么是他们装的。 要么就真的被美国耍了。 反正他们目前没有吃亏。
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luckyso
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What a difference 12 hours can make. Just as the Syria peace negotiations in Vienna were moving ahead, news came that the Turkish air force had downed a Russian bomber that it claims had violated its airspace. Making things worse, a Russian marine was reportedly killed during an operation to rescue the two pilots that ejected from the plane.

The incident further complicates French President Francois Hollande's mission to Washington and Moscow this week, a visit that was supposed to focus on the formation of a grand coalition against ISIS. Instead, Russian President Vladimir Putin has already referred to the downing of the plane as a "stab in the back by the accomplices of terrorists" and promised that there will be significant consequences.
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luckyso
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Plan A for GOP donors: Wait for Trump to fall. (There is no Plan B.)

The political network backed by the billionaire Koch brothers has no plans to take on Trump. American Crossroads, the super PAC co-founded by strategist Karl Rove, is steering clear and fixated on Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton instead. Right to Rise, the super PAC backing Jeb Bush, is not gearing up to attack Trump either. And major Republican donors such as hedge-fund manager Paul Singer and the Ricketts family have shown no interest in supporting the few organizations trying to undercut him.

“It is probably accurate to say there is very little money for these endeavors,” said Liz Mair, a Republican consultant who recently started an anti-Trump group called Trump Card. “Our group has donors and money, but it’s not like we have hundreds of people.”
不知道是真的,还是故意迷惑Trump.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/plan-a-for-gop-donors-wait-for-trump-to-fall-there-is-no-plan-b/2015/11/25/91436a00-92dd-11e5-8aa0-5d0946560a97_story.html?tid=pm_pop_b
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luckyso
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Jeb Bush said Wednesday he supports Turkey in the dispute that resulted in Russian warplane being shot down Tuesday near the border between Turkey and Syria.

"I believe Turkey, but it will be verified by all sorts of ways through technology. Turkey is a NATO ally they are an integral part if we're to be successful in the fight against ISIS and to change regimes, to take out Assad, it used to be our objective," Bush told CNN's Alisyn Camerota on "New Day." "If we're serious about that, Turkey needs to be an ally and we need to show support. I think President Obama was correct to say that every country has a right to self-defense."

Bush也真行,他说的话我基本没有赞同的,太难得了
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luckyso
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Trump's retweet:
I LIVE IN NEW JERSEY & @realDonaldTrump IS RIGHT: MUSLIMS DID CELEBRATE ON 9/11 HERE! WE SAW IT!
http://www.infowars.com/i-live-in-jersey-and-trump-is-right-muslims-did-celebrate-on-911-in-nj-we-saw-it/
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luckyso
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Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings has revealed that he is more afraid of “white men” than Syrian refugees. Despite this fear, however, the mayor manages to get by living in a neighborhood that is more than 92 percent white.
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luckyso
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In Facebook post, @POTUS says he's "deeply disturbed" by video of shooting. http://CNN.it/go  via @OutFrontCNN
O8又要出来认儿子了
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68万可真是不少啊。。。。

  ceciliaring 发表于 11/25/2015 2:19:03 PM
我就一直特别纳闷,因为我这里是大农村,但是我感觉这两年附近越来越多穆斯林,我还奇怪呢。真是郁闷啊。
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whyhere
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    In Facebook post, @POTUS says he's "deeply disturbed" by video of shooting. http://CNN.it/go  via @OutFrontCNN
    O8又要出来认儿子了
     luckyso 发表于 11/25/2015 7:43:29 PM

    南无大愿地藏王菩萨!          Bless 邪不压正!
       刚打劫完,又舞小刀......
          有没有那种枪,可以立刻制服,又不取性命的
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goldengate
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GOP 要出全力干掉Trump的架势。

http://news.yahoo.com/us-republicans-move-dump-trump-234604543.html
yahoo 这个留言说的真挺好的。
This is a bit wordy, but the thought of a split vote chaps my backside. Nothing could guarantee a Hillary Presidency more than the Republicans forcing Trump to run as an Independent. Trump and whomever the GOP candidate eventually is can't get enough votes to overcome a Democratic candidate. We saw it with Perot and ended up with Bill in the White House. If Trump falters on his own accord and is not pushed out by the GOP, things might be different. I haven't determined who I would vote for. Trump does say some stupid stuff, but I have yet to meet the politician who hasn't said stupid things or lied to the people. What many far-left leaning folks don't realize is that not everyone who has conservative leanings is a Bible thumper. Not every conservative leaning person wants to overturn Roe-Vs-Wade. Most conservatives do believe the USG is spending way more than it brings in and that needs to stop. Most conservatives believe everyone should pay taxes, no matter how little so everyone has a dog in the fight so to say. Most conservatives look at how many US citizens are unemployed, under-employed or living of the government dole and question as to why we need to replace US workers with foreign HB1 VISA workers. Most conservatives agree that we need some legal migrant workers, but that we don't need ANY illegal alien workers. Most conservatives don't understand why state colleges and universities are giving free rides to outright foreign students and undocumented students but not giving free educations to US citizens as we, the tax payers, fund their institutions. Many (not going with most on this one) conservatives don't care what you are doing in your bedroom and who you're doing it with as long as they are the age of consent. Back to most; most conservatives believe that criminals should be prosecuted and don't believe every prison should have cable TV. Therefore, Trump stands for things that "most" conservatives can live with. The other GOP candidates want to run on a platform outlawing abortions, doing away with gay rights and semi-legalizing those who have committed immigration crimes. The other candidates think more HB1s for their mega-rich donors are needed. While the ultra-right-wing conservatives believe we should govern based upon one version of the Bible or another, that doesn't hold true for most conservative leaning independents or even registered GOP voters. Most conservative leaning independents realize we are dropping bombs on people who are also governing based upon their version of a different religion. So, depending on whether or not the GOP allows Trump to fizzle out on his own or if they push him out will decide whether I bother voting at all. I used to be confident that a GOP President wouldn't be able to push through limiting a woman's right to choose (isn't that a form of Sharia Law under the auspices of protecting an unborn fetus that isn't self sufficient), but now I'm not so sure the SCOTUS wouldn't overturn R-Vs-W. Times have changed. I have plenty of children I love dearly and never considered abortion, but I am intelligent enough to know that I was never in a position where the health of my bride or the unborn child was in question nor was my bride a victim of rape or incest. If Rubio would leave his beliefs in his household and his place of worship, I'd vote for him. The rest of his platform isn't too overly preachy. Rubio has clearly stated he can't set it aside from his politics. I'm not sure why the rest of us can live our lives at home the way we want to and still understand that other people may not embrace the Good Lord the same as we do. The answer to any question based on morals depends on where you are from as to what is morally right or wrong. I strongly recommend the GOP stand down and let Trump fall on his own terms rather than splitting the conservative voters.
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whyhere
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到底那个真的, Washington post 说 super  pac 现在
No plan  attack Trump
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luckyso
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One retired FBI agent says Donald Trump’s claims of seeing Muslim celebrations following the attacks on 9-11 are absolutely plausible.

Jim Burkett was an assistant special agent in charge with the FBI’s office in Boston during 9-11 and afterward.  He says during that time the office received tons of phone calls from people who feared more attacks and others reporting suspicious activity.

Many of those calls, said Burkett, came from concerned and angry Americans reporting Muslim’s celebrating over the destruction of the twin towers and damage to the Pentagon.  The calls were logged, reports were made and there were “stacks and stacks” of them, he said.

Burkett says somebody in the office began labeling them “Happy Muslim Calls.”  Most of the calls he said were deemed unimportant and the agency didn’t see fit to initiate investigations.

But the retired agent says even though video of celebrations following 9-11 is hard to find, he says it means Trump’s claims are highly plausible.

http://wkrg.com/2015/11/25/credible-source-on-9-11-muslim-celebrations-fbi/
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SDSPAGE
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看到很多负面的评论,心里真难受,希望trump最后能胜出。
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luckyso
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New Hampshire GOP chairwoman Jennifer Horn is fighting off calls for her resignation after she violated the bylaws of her own state party by attacking GOP candidate Donald Trump.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/25/nh-gop-chief-jennifer-horn-fights-resignation-calls-slams-trump/
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luckyso
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看到很多负面的评论,心里真难受,希望trump最后能胜出。
  SDSPAGE 发表于 11/26/2015 9:39:15 AM
现在Trump是所有火力的集中点,他一定要小心再小心,lay low is the best strategy.
另一个角度来看,GOP establishment现在有点desperate, 一般这种时候反而会出更多的错,比如上面那个人的讲话,给了Trump明确的把柄。
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luckyso
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-compares-syrian-refugees-mayflower-pilgrims-states/story?id=35431907
  唐伯虎点蚊香 发表于 11/26/2015 1:51:49 PM
It’s hypocritical for Obama Administration officials to threaten enforcement action against these states when they refuse to enforce the vast majority of our immigration laws, such as cracking down on sanctuary cities that openly defy federal law and endanger the American people.
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luckyso
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-compares-syrian-refugees-mayflower-pilgrims-states/story?id=35431907
  唐伯虎点蚊香 发表于 11/26/2015 1:51:49 PM
至于把叙利亚难民和五月花相比,证明O8为了他的msl同胞已经丧失理智
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cherubtessie
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我就一直特别纳闷,因为我这里是大农村,但是我感觉这两年附近越来越多穆斯林,我还奇怪呢。真是郁闷啊。
  



  屮 发表于 11/25/2015 8:12:47 PM
我们这里穷乡僻壤也是,现在邻居很多都是,而且他们通常一住就一大家子乱七八糟的男男女女