【奥巴去广岛,称美国不能“repeat the evil”,为反法西斯的胜利道歉?】大选聊天帖

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BlueNDGold
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  随着对其他选手越来越了解,我反而认为trump 并不那么糟糕。。。
   但同时我也觉得美国有点可怜,数十个选手,居然没一个特别靠铺
  

  urthur 发表于 9/28/2015 4:40:36 PM
这我觉得跟campaign finance有关。你能看到的都是被买了的。靠谱的都看不到。
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urthur
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Bureau of Labor Statistics 有关 unemployment 的定义是Obama上任前就定了的吧。 怎么成为是新闻和O8为了脸上贴金的一个手段了?
        
        
         BlueNDGold 发表于 9/28/2015 4:45:27 PM

假如美国经济那么棒,fed reserve不必顶着巨大压力死也不升息。
     bls 有好几个unemployment定义。。。通常媒体和O8只挑最低的那个吹。
        
      
        这种心态就跟你永远只看trump rating最低的poll (因为最符合你对trump的评价,虽然其他poll可能rating还挺不错)是同一个道理。但至少你还知道有其他poll, 媒体和O8都假装这些数据不存在,那才是最可怕的谎言。
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urthur
2503 楼
这我觉得跟campaign finance有关。你能看到的都是被买了的。靠谱的都看不到。
  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/28/2015 4:49:31 PM

我觉得campaign finance也是能力的一种,连钱都拉不到,不懂得团结领导的选手,靠铺不到哪里去
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luckyso
2504 楼

随着对其他选手越来越了解,我反而认为trump 并不那么糟糕。。。
  但同时我也觉得美国有点可怜,数十个选手,居然没一个特别靠铺


urthur 发表于 9/28/2015 4:40:36 PM

同感。Trump有时大嘴巴,可其他人有些没common sense,有些出发点根本就有问题。爱不爱国都画个问号。Carson很智慧,但也有缺点。看来只能让god来当总统了。
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BlueNDGold
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  bls 有好几个unemployment定义。。。通常媒体和O8之挑最低的那个吹。
  
  这种心态就跟你永远只看trump rating最低poll (因为最符合你对trump的评价,虽然其他poll可能rating还挺不错)是同一个道理

  urthur 发表于 9/28/2015 4:54:58 PM
不是吧。BLS有几个定义,但是只有一个作为official definition。媒体不管谁是总统都一直都是在报道由这个定义的数据。

Is there only one official definition of unemployment?

There is only one official definition of unemployment—people who are jobless, actively seeking work, and available to take a job, as discussed above. The official unemployment rate for the nation is the number of unemployed as a percentage of the labor force (the sum of the employed and unemployed).

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#def
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urthur
2506 楼
不是吧。BLS有几个定义,但是只有一个作为official definition。媒体不管谁是总统都一直都是在报道由这个定义的数据。
  
   Is there only one official definition of unemployment?
  
   There is only one official definition of unemployment—people who are jobless, actively seeking work, and available to take a job, as discussed above. The official unemployment rate for the nation is the number of unemployed as a percentage of the labor force (the sum of the employed and unemployed).
  
   http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#def
  
  
   BlueNDGold 发表于 9/28/2015 5:10:02 PM

你google 一下 U3 和 U6 unemployment吧,再看看近10年的趋势。这是for beginners
然后再看看U3/U6令人诟病的地方是什么,大概就明白为什么24%可能并没那么离谱
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urthur
2507 楼
不是吧。BLS有几个定义,但是只有一个作为official definition。媒体不管谁是总统都一直都是在报道由这个定义的数据。
  
  Is there only one official definition of unemployment?
  
  There is only one official definition of unemployment—people who are jobless, actively seeking work, and available to take a job, as discussed above. The official unemployment rate for the nation is the number of unemployed as a percentage of the labor force (the sum of the employed and unemployed).
  
  http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#def
  
  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/28/2015 5:10:02 PM

最后还是那句话,假如美国经济那么棒,fed reserve不必顶着巨大压力死也不升息。
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BlueNDGold
2508 楼

  假如美国经济那么棒,fed reserve不必顶着巨大压力死也不升息。
      bls 有好几个unemployment定义。。。通常媒体和O8只挑最低的那个吹。
        
        
         这种心态就跟你永远只看trump rating最低的poll (因为最符合你对trump的评价,虽然其他poll可能rating还挺不错)是同一个道理。但至少你还知道有其他poll, 媒体和O8都假装这些数据不存在,那才是最可怕的谎言。

  urthur 发表于 9/28/2015 4:54:58 PM
FOMC顶着巨大压力不升息是因为unemployment rate 不是唯一的economic indicator。没人说因为unemployment rate低就说明经济很好了。最乐观的也就是说经济在好转。
Trump 40%的polls我也看到了。我什么时候否认过Trump领先polls的事实了么。
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BlueNDGold
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   你google 一下 U3 和 U6 unemployment吧,再看看近10年的趋势。这是for beginners
   然后再看看U3/U6令人诟病的地方是什么,大概就明白为什么24%可能并没那么离谱
  
  
   urthur 发表于 9/28/2015 5:11:55 PM

你的原话是"  bls 有好几个unemployment定义。。。通常媒体和O8之挑最低的那个吹。"
  
  可是BLS自从1994年就把U3定为official unemployment rate。媒体也一直报道U3。
  
  为什么Bush,Clinton在台上的时候也用U3?
  
  如果媒体和Obama挑最低的那个吹,那么他们为什么不把unemployment rate 改为U1或U2,这两个难道不比U3还低很多?

如果你认为U6反映真正的unemployment rate。那么最新的数据显示U6为10.3%.

即便你认为媒体跟Obama没有报道真实的数字,那他们也只是与事实相差50%,Trump的数字与事实相差130%-400%。难道这更靠谱?
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urthur
2510 楼
FOMC顶着巨大压力不升息是因为unemployment rate 不是唯一的economic indicator。没人说因为unemployment rate低就说明经济很好了。最乐观的也就是说经济在好转。
     Trump 40%的polls我也看到了。我什么时候否认过Trump领先polls的事实了么。
    
     BlueNDGold 发表于 9/28/2015 5:18:10 PM

fed reserve看的指标不是一直是dual mandate吗?O8上任的时候他们可是说了,target unemployment 要压到6%, 通货膨胀保持在 2%。
    7年后再来看,FOMC根本忽略了BLS闪亮的5.3%数据,只说Unparticipation rate让他们担忧( 所以trump今早才提起unparticipation)。
    通货膨胀方面呢,fed reserve现在用的cpi 模型,也是三天两头被政府‘调整’
    
    死扣这种细节有意义吗?问题根本就在于美国经济依然差,所以fed找各种理由不升息。
   但是媒体和O8却超级喜欢用unemployment之类的数来证明当前政府的“成功”。这是有多dishonest. 其实我根本不care他们用U3 还是Z10, 关键是别老自抽嘴巴呀
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luckyso
2511 楼
Employment还有很大提升空间啊。

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urthur
2512 楼
Employment还有很大空间啊。
  
  
   luckyso 发表于 9/28/2015 5:46:46 PM

是啊,史前未有的QE, 超低利息,7年以后就业率依然没有回到从前,fed天天诉苦经济不够好,国家deficit翻倍
  2008年的金融风暴确实很糟糕,但是当前政府远远没有他们自己说的厉害吧,不是往脸上贴金是什么
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BlueNDGold
2513 楼
打个小差。
  
  如果你用Google查 Obama Administration,第一个promoted result 是:www.conservapedia.com/Obama_Administration
  
  亮点是大头相不是Obama,居然是Larry Summers。
  
  
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luckyso
2514 楼
Fiorina: I'm pro-torture

Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina says in a new interview the interrogation technique of waterboarding employed by the United States in the early days of the war on terror was appropriate.

"I believe that all of the evidence is very clear, that waterboarding was used in a very small handful of cases (and) was supervised by medical personnel in every one of those cases," Fiorina told Yahoo News. "And I also believe that waterboarding was used when there was no other way to get information that was necessary."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/politics/carly-fiorina-waterboarding-yahoo-news-torture/index.html
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BlueNDGold
2515 楼

  是啊,史前未有的QE, 超低利息,7年以后就业率依然没有回到从前,fed天天诉苦经济不够好,国家deficit翻倍
   2008年的金融风暴确实很糟糕,但是当前政府远远没有他们自己说的厉害吧,不是往脸上贴金是什么
  

  urthur 发表于 9/28/2015 5:54:06 PM
Obama 2009年一月上任。当时的U6 unemployment rate 是14.2%. 最新的U6数据显示10.3%, 自2008年7月以来最低的数据。

史前未有的QE难道跟共和党无关?

美国以前每次经济危机都是靠 fiscal policy 结合 monetary policy 来促进经济发展。Obama上台以后想用各种各样的fiscal policy来改善经济,可是共和党左右不从。导致大家只能依赖 Fed 的 monetary policy。一轮轮的 QE 下来好不容易经济好转了,现在又说好转的不够快。Party of No 这么做不脸红。很令人佩服啊。

当前政府有多厉害大家自由评价。
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luckyso
2516 楼
不知道今天O8和普京能谈出个啥
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majiawoshimajia
2517 楼
Obama 2009年一月上任。当时的U6 unemployment rate 是14.2%. 最新的U6数据显示10.3%, 自2008年7月以来最低的数据。
  
  史前未有的QE难道跟共和党无关?
  
  美国以前每次经济危机都是靠 fiscal policy 结合 monetary policy 来促进经济发展。Obama上台以后想用各种各样的fiscal policy来改善经济,可是共和党左右不从。导致大家只能依赖 Fed 的 monetary policy。一轮轮的 QE 下来好不容易经济好转了,现在又说好转的不够快。Party of No 这么做不脸红。很令人佩服啊。
  
  当前政府有多厉害大家自由评价。

  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/28/2015 6:37:47 PM
唉,就知道现在通货膨胀太狠了……
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BlueNDGold
2518 楼
Fiorina: I'm pro-torture
  
  Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina says in a new interview the interrogation technique of waterboarding employed by the United States in the early days of the war on terror was appropriate.
  
   "I believe that all of the evidence is very clear, that waterboarding was used in a very small handful of cases (and) was supervised by medical personnel in every one of those cases," Fiorina told Yahoo News. "And I also believe that waterboarding was used when there was no other way to get information that was necessary."
  
   http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/politics/carly-fiorina-waterboarding-yahoo-news-torture/index.html
   luckyso 发表于 9/28/2015 6:31:26 PM

这我也支持。其实民主党内也有很多人支持,Sanders/Biden除外。如果这些人当了Commander in Chief,即便自己不支持,也会同意把犯人转到允许torture的盟友那里享受待遇。事到当前,大家都会很现实的。
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urthur
2519 楼
唉,就知道现在通货膨胀太狠了……

  majiawoshimajia 发表于 9/28/2015 6:42:15 PM

政府认为通货膨胀不够。他们怕会出现通货紧缩。
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luckyso
2520 楼
Obama 2009年一月上任。当时的U6 unemployment rate 是14.2%. 最新的U6数据显示10.3%, 自2008年7月以来最低的数据。
  
  史前未有的QE难道跟共和党无关?
  
  美国以前每次经济危机都是靠 fiscal policy 结合 monetary policy 来促进经济发展。Obama上台以后想用各种各样的fiscal policy来改善经济,可是共和党左右不从。导致大家只能依赖 Fed 的 monetary policy。一轮轮的 QE 下来好不容易经济好转了,现在又说好转的不够快。Party of No 这么做不脸红。很令人佩服啊。
  
  当前政府有多厉害大家自由评价。

  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/28/2015 6:37:47 PM
fiscal policy O8只用一边啊,那就是spend, spend, spend,共和党当然反对,他如果propose个减税看看。有经济危机时不减税还加税的吗?http://www.atr.org/full-list-ACA-tax-hikes-a6996
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luckyso
2521 楼

  这我也支持。其实民主党内也有很多人支持,Sanders/Biden除外。如果这些人当了Commander in Chief,即便自己不支持,也会同意把犯人转到允许torture的盟友那里享受待遇。事到当前,大家都会很现实的。
  

  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/28/2015 6:44:36 PM
希拉里支持吗?她什么态度?
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urthur
2522 楼
Fiorina: I'm pro-torture

Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina says in a new interview the interrogation technique of waterboarding employed by the United States in the early days of the war on terror was appropriate.
  
  "I believe that all of the evidence is very clear, that waterboarding was used in a very small handful of cases (and) was supervised by medical personnel in every one of those cases," Fiorina told Yahoo News. "And I also believe that waterboarding was used when there was no other way to get information that was necessary."
  
  http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/politics/carly-fiorina-waterboarding-yahoo-news-torture/index.html
  luckyso 发表于 9/28/2015 6:31:26 PM

这就是双刃剑,潘多拉的盒子
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BlueNDGold
2523 楼
希拉里支持吗?她什么态度?

  luckyso 发表于 9/28/2015 6:54:44 PM

假兴兴的说反对。我才不信呢。她当Secretary of State时候美国就没torture犯人啦?
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luckyso
2524 楼

  假兴兴的说反对。我才不信呢。她当Secretary of State时候美国就没torture犯人啦?

  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/28/2015 7:27:18 PM
那老希好假惺惺。。。最近她忙着谴责各种人,不亦乐乎,想转移注意。
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BlueNDGold
2525 楼

  这就是双刃剑,潘多拉的盒子

  urthur 发表于 9/28/2015 6:58:03 PM
不一定那么严重。我觉得大多人都不会特别在乎美国是否torture犯人。很多人会说自己是否支持torture。但是应该只有少数人强烈支持torture,并认为这是件大事儿,或强烈反对torture,并认为这是件大事儿.
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luckyso
2526 楼
在看CNN的Trump访谈,太阳从西边出来了。。。
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PositiveVibe
2527 楼
CNN还是承skeptical的态度
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luckyso
2528 楼
CNN还是承skeptical的态度
   PositiveVibe 发表于 9/28/2015 7:50:11 PM

我觉得还比较fair,请的嘉宾有支持有反对的,反对的也能客观评价,不像Kelly找的那些嘉宾一边倒。。。
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luckyso
2529 楼
O'reilly请的嘉宾里面有个据说代表hispanics的女的,O'reilly问她觉得trump的低收入0 tax rate能否帮助中低收入hispanics,(大意)她说hispanics即使收入少,也希望交税,trump阻挡了他们为国做贡献
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PositiveVibe
2530 楼
为国做贡献就多买东西好了 :s
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luckyso
2531 楼
Putin talks in UN: 'Do you realize what you have done?'

"Instead of the triumph of democracy and progress, we got violence, poverty and social disaster — and nobody cares a bit about human rights, including the right to life," Putin said through a translator. "I cannot help asking those who have forced that situation: Do you realize what you have done?"

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/putin-realize-done-161731547.html
Putin is right on point.
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goldengate
2532 楼
O'reilly请的嘉宾里面有个据说代表hispanics的女的,O'reilly问她觉得trump的低收入0 tax rate能否帮助中低收入hispanics,(大意)她说hispanics即使收入少,也希望交税,trump阻挡了他们为国做贡献

  luckyso 发表于 9/28/2015 8:16:28 PM
让她的同胞不要申请福利就可以了。
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aac
2533 楼
O'reilly请的嘉宾里面有个据说代表hispanics的女的,O'reilly问她觉得trump的低收入0 tax rate能否帮助中低收入hispanics,(大意)她说hispanics即使收入少,也希望交税,trump阻挡了他们为国做贡献

  luckyso 发表于 9/28/2015 8:16:28 PM
这觉悟,中产都羞愧死。
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BlueNDGold
2534 楼
Putin talks in UN: 'Do you realize what you have done?'
  
  "Instead of the triumph of democracy and progress, we got violence, poverty and social disaster — and nobody cares a bit about human rights, including the right to life," Putin said through a translator. "I cannot help asking those who have forced that situation: Do you realize what you have done?"
  
  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/putin-realize-done-161731547.html
  Putin is right on point.


  luckyso 发表于 9/28/2015 10:55:38 PM
I think Putin is sincere when he said "nobody cares a bit about human rights, including the rights to life".  That "nobody" would cover all of the US politicians, all of the Syrian politicians, ISIL/ISIS, and all of the Russian politicians.

Putin only cares about keeping Assad in power because he's a puppet.  He doesn't care about the human rights of the Syrian people.  If anyone cares about human rights in the middle east, then they should advocate for the removal of both ISIL/ISIS and the Assad.
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luckyso
2535 楼
I think Putin is sincere when he said "nobody cares a bit about human rights, including the rights to life".  That "nobody" would cover all of the US politicians, all of the Syrian politicians, ISIL/ISIS, and all of the Russian politicians.
  
   Putin only cares about keeping Assad in power because he's a puppet.  He doesn't care about the human rights of the Syrian people.  If anyone cares about human rights in the middle east, then they should advocate for the removal of both ISIL/ISIS and the Assad.
  
   BlueNDGold 发表于 9/28/2015 11:22:24 PM

Nobody cares a bit about the right to life. That's 100% true. But you have to be realistic, removing Assad, who is gonna to replace him? The rebel? What do we know about them? Are they better than Assad? Look at how things are now in Iraq, violence instead of "democracy". Lesser of the two evils, ISIS should be gone first.
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SDSPAGE
2536 楼
O'reilly请的嘉宾里面有个据说代表hispanics的女的,O'reilly问她觉得trump的低收入0 tax rate能否帮助中低收入hispanics,(大意)她说hispanics即使收入少,也希望交税,trump阻挡了他们为国做贡献

  luckyso 发表于 9/28/2015 8:16:28 PM
这说瞎话不打草稿的。
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luckyso
2537 楼
Ahmed Mohamed, the clock boy, he showed up at the United Nations General Assembly in NYC last Friday, and met up with Turkey’s Islamist Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu for a very sinister Obama-esque reason.
“My dream is to raise consciousness against racism and discrimination,” the Texas teen said to reporters at a press event, according to the Hürriyet Daily News.
Yet this did not stop him from not only meeting up with the U.N., but also befriending Davutoğlu, a rabid Islamist hellbent on turning Turkey into an Islamic theocracy where real racism and discrimination runs rampant.
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BlueNDGold
2538 楼
Ahmed Mohamed, the clock boy, he showed up at the United Nations General Assembly in NYC last Friday, and met up with Turkey’s Islamist Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu for a very sinister Obama-esque reason.
“My dream is to raise consciousness against racism and discrimination,” the Texas teen said to reporters at a press event, according to the Hürriyet Daily News.
Yet this did not stop him from not only meeting up with the U.N., but also befriending Davutoğlu, a rabid Islamist hellbent on turning Turkey into an Islamic theocracy where real racism and discrimination runs rampant.

  luckyso 发表于 9/29/2015 11:17:01 AM
It would be nice to know the source of your story is http://conservativetribune.com/.
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PositiveVibe
2539 楼
Tom Brady说他没endorse Trump,只不过说希望Trump  wins the election,说他根本没怎么跟进政治上的事。。。
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BlueNDGold
2540 楼
Tom Brady说他没endorse Trump,只不过说希望Trump  wins the election,说他根本没怎么跟进政治上的事。。。
  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/29/2015 11:28:08 AM
Why should anyone care about who Tom Brady is going to vote for?

And I'm saying this as a Patriots fan.
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luckyso
2541 楼
It would be nice to know the source of your story is http://conservativetribune.com/.

  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/29/2015 11:25:49 AM
Of course no liberal media would report it. The photo is there, everyone can judge by themselves.
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PositiveVibe
2542 楼
It would be nice to know the source of your story is http://conservativetribune.com/.

  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/29/2015 11:25:49 AM

Breitbart.com too.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/26/obamas-cool-clock-muslim-boy-claims-racism-foreign-audience-un/
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PositiveVibe
2543 楼
Why should anyone care about who Tom Brady is going to vote for?
  
  And I'm saying this as a Patriots fan.
  

  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/29/2015 11:33:42 AM
那就好,谢谢你对Trump的支持:)
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luckyso
2544 楼
Tom Brady说他没endorse Trump,只不过说希望Trump wins the election,说他根本没怎么跟进政治上的事。。。
   PositiveVibe 发表于 9/29/2015 11:28:08 AM

I understand him, he doesn't want to appear political, and NY/MA area are base camps for liberals, openly endorsing GOP candidate may cost him fans. He want to keep low profile on that.
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luckyso
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Only four in ten respondents said they have “a great deal” or “a fair amount” of trust in the media to accurately report the news in a fair manner. This result ties the historic lows measured in 2012 and 2014, Gallup said.
  
  Trust in the Mass Media Has Fallen More Sharply Among Those Younger Than 50
  
  Trust Among Democrats Remains Low, but Higher Than Among Republicans
  
  
  http://www.gallup.com/poll/185927/americans-trust-media-remains-historical-low.aspx
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BlueNDGold
2546 楼
Of course no liberal media would report it. The photo is there, everyone can judge by themselves.

  luckyso 发表于 9/29/2015 11:41:59 AM
Regardless of who is reporting the news, you should always give credit to them.
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PositiveVibe
2547 楼
Regardless of who is reporting the news, you should always give credit to them.
  

  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/29/2015 11:58:03 AM

Ya, so we are giving credit to http://conservativetribune.com/ :)
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luckyso
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Jeb Bush’s donors are getting scared if a $25 million advertising campaign in October doesn’t bump up his poll numbers.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/jeb-bush-2016-donors-republicans-214166#ixzz3n8Nl0J4b
    
    If politico is saying this, I guess jeb is in real trouble if his number doesn't huaren.us in Oct.
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luckyso
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Sunday night’s ratings are in, and while football is still king, GOP frontrunner Donald Trump helped CBS to take second place.

Trump’s Sunday evening interview with 60 Minutes, in which Russian President Vladimir Putin was also interviewed by Charlie Rose, brought in big ratings for CBS, which finished only behind NBC’s Sunday Night Football.

Sunday’s NFL matchup between the Denver Broncos and the Detroit Lions won the evening, bringing in 19.7 million viewers, and 7.3/21 in the key 18-49 demo for the 8:30pm-11pm ET time slot, reports TheWrap.

Scott Pelley’s sit-down with GOP frontrunner Donald Trump brought in 15 million viewers, for second place with a 2.9/9 rating among the key demo.
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BlueNDGold
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FACT CHECK: Math in Trump's tax plan doesn't always add up
TRUMP: "And all of this does not add to our debt or our deficit."

THE FACTS: In order for Trump's tax rate reductions to be what's known in Washington parlance as "revenue neutral," he would have to offset them in some way. Several tax experts, even those who like Trump's reduction in rates, said his plan appears unable to do so.
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TRUMP: "We are reducing taxes, but at the same time if I win, if I become president, we will be able to cut so much money and have a better country. We won't be losing anything other than we will be balancing budgets and getting them where they should be."

THE FACTS: Even if Trump's tax plan wound up being revenue neutral, it wouldn't bring in enough money to balance the budget.
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http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-math-trumps-tax-plan-doesnt-always-081901786--finance.html
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PositiveVibe
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Jeb Bush’s donors are getting scared if a $25 million advertising campaign in October doesn’t bump up his poll numbers.
      http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/jeb-bush-2016-donors-republicans-214166#ixzz3n8Nl0J4b
      
      If politico is saying this, I guess jeb is in real trouble if his number doesn't huaren.us in Oct.
    
    
  
   luckyso 发表于 9/29/2015 12:15:51 PM

为啥显示huaren.us
  j u m p 这个词huaren不能用?
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PositiveVibe
2552 楼
FACT CHECK: Math in Trump's tax plan doesn't always add up
  TRUMP: "And all of this does not add to our debt or our deficit."
  
  THE FACTS: In order for Trump's tax rate reductions to be what's known in Washington parlance as "revenue neutral," he would have to offset them in some way. Several tax experts, even those who like Trump's reduction in rates, said his plan appears unable to do so.
  ---
  TRUMP: "We are reducing taxes, but at the same time if I win, if I become president, we will be able to cut so much money and have a better country. We won't be losing anything other than we will be balancing budgets and getting them where they should be."
  
  THE FACTS: Even if Trump's tax plan wound up being revenue neutral, it wouldn't bring in enough money to balance the budget.
  ---
  http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-math-trumps-tax-plan-doesnt-always-081901786--finance.html
  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/29/2015 12:23:59 PM
但是工作的人多了,少收的税钱就补回来了,而且缩小government,需要的budget也小了
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PositiveVibe
2553 楼
过奖过奖,我脸皮太薄,嘻嘻。。。

  luckyso 发表于 9/27/2015 11:56:34 PM
我借你点:)
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luckyso
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我借你点:)                  

  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/29/2015 12:37:31 PM
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BlueNDGold
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但是工作的人多了,少收的税钱就补回来了,而且缩小government,需要的budget也小了
  
  
   PositiveVibe 发表于 9/29/2015 12:33:37 PM

细节呢?缩小government?怎么缩小?缩小哪些部门?缩小政府以后这些员工都去干什么?
  
  Trump的tax plan把纳税人数从64%缩小到50%, 最高的 tax bracket 从 39.4% 减到 25%。如果实现这个 tax structure,预计将在未来十年总共减少 $12 trillion in tax revenue。每年平均$1.2 trillion。
  
  美国人2015总共才交了$2.2 trillion in income tax.2015年联邦政府的budget是$3.8 trillion. 按照你所说的增长工作的人+缩小政府,就算一半一半,增长工作的人多交$600 billion的税,缩小政府减少$600 billion的 budget.你觉得这实际么?
  
  
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PositiveVibe
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  细节呢?缩小government?怎么缩小?缩小哪些部门?缩小政府以后这些员工都去干什么?
  
   Trump的tax plan把纳税人数从64%缩小到50%, 最高的 tax bracket 从 39.4% 减到 25%。如果实现这个 tax structure,预计将在未来十年总共减少 $12 trillion in tax revenue。每年平均$1.2 trillion。
  
   美国人2015总共才交了$2.2 trillion in income tax.2015年联邦政府的budget是$3.8 trillion. 按照你所说的增长工作的人+缩小政府,就算一半一半,增长工作的人多交$600 billion的税,缩小政府减少$600 billion的 budget.你觉得这实际么?
  
  
  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/29/2015 1:13:46 PM
出处,算corporation了么
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PositiveVibe
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还是吃猪吧

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BlueNDGold
2559 楼
出处,算corporation了么
  

  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/29/2015 1:20:06 PM
TRUMP: "It will provide major tax relief for middle income, and for most other Americans, there will be a major reduction." THE FACTS: Trump's plan will undoubtedly reduce the amount Americans pay in income taxes. The Tax Foundation, which advocates for lower tax rates, said Tuesday its estimates the cost of Trump's tax cuts at nearly $12 trillion over the next decade.
http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-math-trumps-tax-plan-doesnt-always-081901786--finance.html#

还没有。Trump 说 corporate tax 也要减。所以如果算 corporate tax 的话只会更好玩了。
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PositiveVibe
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TRUMP: "It will provide major tax relief for middle income, and for most other Americans, there will be a major reduction." THE FACTS: Trump's plan will undoubtedly reduce the amount Americans pay in income taxes. The Tax Foundation, which advocates for lower tax rates, said Tuesday its estimates the cost of Trump's tax cuts at nearly $12 trillion over the next decade.
   http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-math-trumps-tax-plan-doesnt-always-081901786--finance.html#
  
   还没有。Trump 说 corporate tax 也要减。所以如果算 corporate tax 的话只会更好玩了。
  
    BlueNDGold 发表于 9/29/2015 1:27:31 PM

没有?那你回去重算算
您这细节也忽略得够可以的
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PositiveVibe
2561 楼
Trump今晚东部8点上O'Reily
不是不道歉,就不再上Fox了么?!
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luckyso
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Trump今晚东部8点上O'Reily
不是不道歉,就不再上Fox了么?!
  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/29/2015 2:14:05 PM
They made up? Smart move, he and Fox news needs each other.
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PositiveVibe
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Trump’s campaign did not respond to requests for comment about his change of heart.
A Fox News spokeswoman confirms a meeting between Trump and senior Fox executives is still in the works.
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luckyso
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Trump’s campaign did not respond to requests for comment about his change of heart.
A Fox News spokeswoman confirms a meeting between Trump and senior Fox executives is still in the works.
  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/29/2015 4:43:51 PM
What's going on? waiting for words from Trump himself.
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luckyso
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Kevin Spacey: Frank Underwood Would ‘Kill Donald Trump’

Monday night in Washington, DC at the annual gala for the Kevin Spacey
Foundation, CNN’s Dana Bash asked Spacey how his “House of Cards”
character Frank Underwood would beat Donald Trump in the 2016 election.
Spacey said “He would kill Donald Trump. That’s number one. Trump would
never make it to election day. Done. Over.”
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PositiveVibe
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哈哈哈哈,笑死我啦,Greta好象平时说话没打结过啊,结果在她节目结尾的时候,她掩饰不住激动的情绪说,下面是O'Reilly,你们知道,知道,谁,谁要来吗,是Donald Trump,别忘了看哦!
哈哈哈,怎么这么喜感
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luckyso
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@realDonaldTrump: Do you want to run Syria? I want to rebuild our country. #OReillyFactor
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PositiveVibe
2569 楼
靠,现如今clown这词也不能说了,说了就不具备当选总统的资格了,搞笑呢吧,O'Reilly怎么还不退休啊
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luckyso
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靠,现如今clown这词也不能说了,说了就不具备当选总统的资格了,搞笑呢吧,O'Reilly怎么还不退休啊
  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/29/2015 8:35:04 PM
Rubio还说Trump是freak show呢。不过Trump需要再表现的presidential一些,对他现阶段有好处。
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luckyso
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Rula Jebreal: CNN Panelist Says Carson, Trump Would Be to Blame if Gunman Attacked Mosque in US
If someone attacked a mosque, "these people will have blood on their hands," Jebreal said, accusing the presidential candidates of not combating anti-Muslim rhetoric within the Republican Party.
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PositiveVibe
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Jeb也够搞笑的,它现在最大的议题就是energy plan,嗯,它是需要讨论讨论energy,太缺
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PositiveVibe
2573 楼
Bill Clinton也为了老婆拼了,上了CNN的Erin Burnett,然后当着老克的面,放Trump说她老婆是最差劲的Secretary of State,老克正喝水,差点没笑喷出来
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luckyso
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Bill Clinton也为了老婆拼了,上了CNN的Erin Burnett,然后当着老克的面,放Trump说她老婆是最差劲的Secretary of State,老克正喝水,差点没笑喷出来
  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/30/2015 1:05:14 AM
老克还是挺可爱的,哈哈~~
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luckyso
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One of Ronald Reagan's top economic advisors and CNBC contributor Larry Kudlow says the Gipper would love Trump's new tax plan.
Renowned economist Larry Kudlow Tuesday endorsed Donald Trump's tax plan, telling Newsmax TV that it is "a pro-growth, supply-side" program that would grow the nation's long-slagging economy.

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luckyso
2576 楼
Inside Carly Fiorina's California campaign meltdown
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/30/politics/carly-fiorina-california-campaign/index.html
CNN说有个campaign已经在制作关于她的ad了,不知道是谁?Jeb?
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luckyso
2577 楼
Trump昨天的O'reilly视频:"If he wants to fight ISIS, let him fight ISIS. Why do we always have to do everything?"
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/09/29/donald-trump-putin-russia-syria-if-he-wants-fight-isis-let-him-fight-isis
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luckyso
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USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll
  The poll of 380 likely Republican primary voters, taken Thursday through Monday, has a margin of error of +/- 5 percentage points. The full sample of 1,000 likely voters has an error margin of 3 points.

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urthur
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汗,第一次见识啥叫贵人 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/10/us/billionaire-lifts-marco-rubio-politically-and-personally.html?_r=1
    
    还有一点,marco rubio貌似连最基本的household accounting都不懂。。。
    
    我们中国人讲究修身、齐家、治国、平天下,按照这个标准,好像没几个人合格,基本上都再婚过,基本上孩子都是败家子,基本上在事业上没什么建树甚至曾经出过丑闻
  
   trump和hillary 反而是还不错的,至少孩子目前看来都教育的很好。
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luckyso
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汗,第一次见识啥叫贵人 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/10/us/billionaire-lifts-marco-rubio-politically-and-personally.html?_r=1
    
    还有一点,marco rubio貌似连最基本的household accounting都不懂。。。
    
    我们中国人讲究修身、齐家、治国、平天下,按照这个标准,好像没几个人合格,基本上都再婚过,基本上孩子都是败家子,基本上在事业上没什么建树甚至曾经出过丑闻
  
   trump和hillary 反而是还不错的,至少孩子目前看来都教育的很好。
  
  


urthur 发表于 9/30/2015 1:02:51 PM

这个人totally owns Rubio...
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PositiveVibe
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https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/shockingly-donald-trumps-tax-plan-could-be-good-for-women

Trump的tax plan对妇女很有利,因为好多妇女都不用交联邦税了
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PositiveVibe
2583 楼
Trump今晚东部10点上CNN的donlemon
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luckyso
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/30/dozens-clinton-emails-in-latest-release-contain-classified-info/

希老太怎么还没被抓起来?
  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/30/2015 4:55:27 PM
快了吧。她今天又跳出来说要repeal O8 care的一个什么条款,嫌自己死的不够快的感觉,在这个时候还去招惹O8.
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BlueNDGold
2585 楼
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/30/dozens-clinton-emails-in-latest-release-contain-classified-info/

希老太怎么还没被抓起来?
  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/30/2015 4:55:27 PM
"The information we upgraded today was not marked classified at the time the emails were sent," Kirby said Wednesday. "It has been subsequently upgraded."

你没读你自己发的link么?

还是不明白这句话的意思?
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luckyso
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"The information we upgraded today was not marked classified at the time the emails were sent," Kirby said Wednesday. "It has been subsequently upgraded."
  
  你没读你自己发的link么?
  
  还是不明白这句话的意思?
  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/30/2015 5:34:02 PM
She can be at least charged with obstruction of justice, since she "wiped" some of her non-personal emails when she turned over the server.
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PositiveVibe
2587 楼
"The information we upgraded today was not marked classified at the time the emails were sent," Kirby said Wednesday. "It has been subsequently upgraded."
  
  你没读你自己发的link么?
  
  还是不明白这句话的意思?
  
  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/30/2015 5:34:02 PM
您就看见那一句啦?之前说的您没看见?断章取义。。。。

这周三一共公布了3900封电邮,其中两百多封具有B1的等级,也就是被视为具有机密内容
这两百多封信中有一部分是在发信的时候不属于机密级的,是后来才被定级为机密的

所以只是两百多封机密级信件中的一部分是后来才被定为机密级的,其他的邮件都是在收发信的时候就是机密级的
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BlueNDGold
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She can be at least charged with obstruction of justice, since she "wiped" some of her non-personal emails when she turned over the server.

  luckyso 发表于 9/30/2015 5:42:44 PM
Obstruction of justice requires intent.  So far there are no evidence that Hillary Clinton intended for the work related emails to be deleted.
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luckyso
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Obstruction of justice requires intent.  So far there are no evidence that Hillary Clinton intended for the work related emails to be deleted.
  
    BlueNDGold 发表于 9/30/2015 5:57:03 PM

Yeah, you're right, but the fact is she has the incentive to do so and therefore it's possible she had the intent. She can be indicted, it's for the jury to decide if the charge stands. But indicting alone or even grand jury hearing could possibly sink her campaign.
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Y_U_SHOOTME
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回复 2577楼PositiveVibe的帖子

先不说他的Tax Plan会造成巨大的亏空,真正的穷人每年也不过省个几百快。真正得益的还是top 1%,税率从目前的39%被cut到25%。当然还有取消遗产税,光这一条就能帮他省下几个billion,“It will cost me a fortune!" My ass!
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luckyso
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回复 2577楼PositiveVibe的帖子
  
   先不说他的Tax Plan会造成巨大的亏空,真正的穷人每年也不过省个几百快。真正得益的还是top 1%,税率从目前的39%被cut到25%。当然还有取消遗产税,光这一条就能帮他省下几个billion,“It will cost me a fortune!" My ass!
    Y_U_SHOOTME 发表于 9/30/2015 6:11:05 PM

Bush reduces the tax rate to 28%, is that any different than 25%? He also has tons of deductions. And he draws the income line at $130K, much lower than Trump, meaning many middle class are paying 28% instead of 20%. Do you still support Bush?
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BlueNDGold
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  Yeah, you're right, but the fact is she has the incentive to do so and therefore it's possible she had the intent. She can be indicted, it's for the jury to decide if the charge stands. But indicting alone or even grand jury hearing could possibly sink her campaign.
  
  
  luckyso 发表于 9/30/2015 6:02:58 PM
That's far from the truth.

Motive is not intent, and the mere possibility of intent is not the standard for a grand jury indictment.

The standard of proof for a grand jury indictment is "probably" or "more likely than not", so far, there are not enough proofs.  Until there are more concrete proofs, no federal prosecutor is going to touch this case with a ten foot pole.
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BlueNDGold
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您就看见那一句啦?之前说的您没看见?断章取义。。。。
  
  这周三一共公布了3900封电邮,其中两百多封具有B1的等级,也就是被视为具有机密内容
  这两百多封信中有一部分是在发信的时候不属于机密级的,是后来才被定级为机密的
  
  所以只是两百多封机密级信件中的一部分是后来才被定为机密级的,其他的邮件都是在收发信的时候就是机密级的
  

  PositiveVibe 发表于 9/30/2015 5:56:08 PM
You should read that article again.  At no point does the article suggest any of the 3,900 emails were classified at the time they were sent.  If you disagree, please cite the exact sentence(s) for reference.
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luckyso
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That's far from the truth.
  
  Motive is not intent, and the mere possibility of intent is not the standard for a grand jury indictment.
  
  The standard of proof for a grand jury indictment is "probably" or "more likely than not", so far, there are not enough proofs.  Until there are more concrete proofs, no federal prosecutor is going to touch this case with a ten foot pole.

  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/30/2015 6:17:03 PM
Sometimes people indict a ham sandwich. It's not wise to indict her now as the investigation is ongoing, and they're looking for the smoking gun. There is no point for Dems to stick to a ticking bomb, they better switch gear fast. I think Biden will announce next month.
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luckyso
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Jeb Bush on Marco Rubio: He followed my lead
Jeb Bush painted his longtime ally Marco Rubio as a follower and Donald Trump as an "entertainer" on Wednesday, arguing in an interview with CNN's Dana Bash that he'll go the distance because of his own background as a "proven leader."
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Y_U_SHOOTME
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回复 2587楼luckyso的帖子

First of all, neither of their tax plans would have any chances to pass in congress, nada, zero. Second, I am not talking about the detail of their plan, I am talking about the credibility of what they said about the tax plan. Obviously, Trump was lied about it. Higher tax for the rich ppl, a lie; the hedge fund managers will pay more tax, a lie; and the most "It will cost me a fortune!" My ass!

You got that?
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BlueNDGold
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Sometimes people indict a ham sandwich. It's not wise to indict her now as the investigation is ongoing, and they're looking for the smoking gun. There is no point for Dems to stick to a ticking bomb, they better switch gear fast. I think Biden will announce next month.


  luckyso 发表于 9/30/2015 6:38:43 PM
None of the ham sandwiches that were indicted in the past had the possibility of being the next POTUS.  If Biden is going to announce next month, it will be because Clinton is uninspiring and lacks personal charisma.
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luckyso
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回复 2587楼luckyso的帖子
    
    First of all, neither of their tax plans would have any chances to pass in congress, nada, zero. Second, I am not talking about the detail of their plan, I am talking about the credibility of what they said about the tax plan. Obviously, Trump was lied about it. Higher tax for the rich ppl, a lie; the hedge fund managers will pay more tax, a lie; and the most "It will cost me a fortune!" My ass!
    
    You got that?
  
    Y_U_SHOOTME 发表于 9/30/2015 6:46:47 PM

Can you break down Trump's financials to prove your point? How do you know "obviously" he lied? If there is clear evidence, media will be all over it already! And he used the word "probably".
  You didn't answer whether you still support Bush, who proposes the same thing, only less benefit to middle class. It's pretty hypercritical to decry Trump's plan while support Bush. I guess only Sander's supporters have the right to be as agitated as you are.
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luckyso
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None of the ham sandwiches that were indicted in the past had the possibility of being the next POTUS.  If Biden is going to announce next month, it will be because Clinton is uninspiring and lacks personal charisma.
  

  BlueNDGold 发表于 9/30/2015 6:50:45 PM
That's because no potential POTUS gets into this type of trouble. Do you really believe such significant drop in her support would happen if there was no email scandal? It's just the personality? By the way I totally agree on her "uninspiring and lacks personal charisma", that's why she's been getting her husband speaking for her these days.
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BlueNDGold
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That's because no potential POTUS gets into this type of trouble. Do you really believe such significant drop in her support would happen if there was no email scandal? It's just the personality? By the way I totally agree on her "uninspiring and lacks personal charisma", that's why she's been getting her husband speaking for her these days.

  luckyso 发表于 9/30/2015 7:02:32 PM
The Republicans and the media is latching onto this story because there isn't anything else better to run.  Clinton's had a big drop in support the last time she tried to run for President as well.  Remember when no one knew who Obama was?  Over 8 years, people forgot how boring she is.  They're being reminded now, though.