我把摘抄按顺序排了一下，电梯在3560楼。 月书摘抄16，关于宗教 i had been religiously educated as a presbyterian; and though some of the dogmas of that persuasion, such as the eternal decrees of god, election, reprobation, etc., appeared to me unintelligible, others doubtful, and i early absented myself from the public assemblies of the sect, sunday being my studying day, i never was without some religious principles. i never doubted, for instance, the existence of the deity; that he made the world, and govern'd it by his providence; that the most acceptable service of god was the doing good to man; that our souls are immortal; and that all crime will be punished, and virtue rewarded, either here or hereafter. these i esteem'd the essentials of every religion; and, being to be found in all the religions we had in our country, i respected them all, tho' with different degrees of respect, as i found them more or less mix'd with other articles, which, without any tendency to inspire, promote, or confirm morality, serv'd principally to divide us, and make us unfriendly to one another. this respect to all, with an opinion that the worst had some good effects, induc'd me to avoid all discourse that might tend to lessen the good opinion another might have of his own religion…
tho' i seldom attended any public worship, i had still an opinion of its propriety, and of its utility when rightly conducted, and i regularly paid my annual subscription for the support of the only presbyterian minister or meeting we had in philadelphia. he us'd to visit me sometimes as a friend, and admonished me to attend his administrations, and i was now and then prevail'd on to do so, once for five sundays successively. had he been in my opinion a good preacher, perhaps i might have continued,[65] notwithstanding the occasion i had for the sunday's leisure in my course of study…
[65] franklin expressed a different view about the duty of attending church later. [此贴子已经被作者于2012/7/11 13:23:41编辑过]
（Franklin解释他的十三条） In the various enumerations of the moral virtues I had met with in my reading, I found the catalogue more or less numerous, as different writers included more or fewer ideas under the same name. Temperance, for example, was by some confined to eating and drinking, while by others it was extended to mean the moderating every other pleasure, appetite, inclination, or passion, bodily or mental, even to our avarice and ambition. I propos'd to myself, for the sake of clearness, to use rather more names, with fewer ideas annex'd to each, than a few names with more ideas; and I included under thirteen names of virtues all that at that time occurr'd to me as necessary or desirable, and annexed to each a short precept, which fully express'd the extent I gave to its meaning.
These names of virtues, with their precepts, were: 1. Temperance. Eat not to dullness; drink not to elevation. 2. Silence. Speak not but what may benefit others or yourself; avoid trifling conversation. 3. Order. Let all your things have their places; let each part of your business have its time. 4. Resolution. Resolve to perform what you ought; perform without fail what you resolve. 5. Frugality. Make no expense but to do good to others or yourself; i. e., waste nothing. 6. INDUSTRY. Lose no time; be always employ'd in something useful; cut off all unnecessary actions. 7. Sincerity. Use no hurtful deceit; think innocently and justly; and, if you speak, speak accordingly. Benjamin Franklin, by Benjamin Franklin 46 8. Justice. Wrong none by doing injuries, or omitting the benefits that are your duty. 9. Moderation. Avoid extreams; forbear resenting injuries so much as you think they deserve. 10. Cleanliness. Tolerate no uncleanliness in body, cloaths, or habitation. 11. Tranquillity. Be not disturbed at trifles, or at accidents common or unavoidable. 12. Chastity. 13. Humility. Imitate Jesus and Socrates.
I made a little book, in which I allotted a page for each of the virtues.[68] I rul'd each page with red ink, so as to have seven columns, one for each day of the week, marking each column with a letter for the day. I cross'd these columns with thirteen red lines, marking the beginning of each line with the first letter of one of the virtues, on which line, and in its proper column, I might mark, by a little black spot, every fault I found upon examination to have been committed respecting that virtue upon that day.
I determined to give a week's strict attention to each of the virtues successively…. I enter'd upon the execution of this plan for self-examination, and continu'd it with occasional intermissions for some time. I was surpris'd to find myself so much fuller of faults than I had imagined; but I had the satisfaction of seeing them diminish…
After a while I went thro' one course only in a year, and afterward only one in several years, till at length I omitted them entirely, being employ'd in voyages and business abroad, with a multiplicity of affairs that interfered; but I always carried my little book with me.
My list of virtues contain'd at first but twelve; but a Quaker friend having kindly informed me that I was generally thought proud; that my pride show'd itself frequently in conversation; that I was not content with being in the right when discussing any point, but was overbearing, and rather insolent, of which he convinc'd me by mentioning several instances; I determined endeavouring to cure myself, if I could, of this vice or folly among the rest, and I added Humility to my list, giving an extensive meaning to the word.
I cannot boast of much success in acquiring the reality of this virtue, but I had a good deal with regard to the appearance of it. I made it a rule to forbear all direct contradiction to the sentiments of others, and all positive assertion of my own. I even forbid myself, agreeably to the old laws of our Junto, the use of every word or expression in the language that imported a fix'd opinion, such as certainly, undoubtedly, etc., and I adopted, instead of them, I conceive, I apprehend, or I imagine a thing to be so or so; or it so appears to me at present. When another asserted something that I thought an error, I deny'd myself the pleasure of contradicting him abruptly, and of showing immediately some absurdity in his proposition; and in answering I began by observing that in certain cases or circumstances his opinion would be right, but in the present case there appear'd or seem'd to me some difference, etc. I soon found the advantage of this change in my manner; the conversations I engag'd in went on more pleasantly. The modest way in which I propos'd my opinions procur'd them a readier reception and less contradiction; I had less mortification when I was found to be in the wrong, and I more easily prevail'd with others to give up their mistakes and join with me when I happened to be in the right.
My scheme of Order gave me the most trouble… with regard to places for things, papers, etc., I found extreamly difficult to acquire. I had not been early accustomed to it, and, having an exceeding good memory, I was not so sensible of the inconvenience attending want of method. This article, therefore, cost me so much painful attention, and my faults in it vexed me so much, and I made so little progress in amendment, and had such frequent relapses, that I was almost ready to give up the attempt, and content myself with a faulty character in that respect, like the man who, in buying an ax of a smith, my neighbour, desired to have the whole of its surface as bright as the edge. The smith consented to grind it bright for him if he would turn the wheel; he turn'd, while the smith press'd the broad face of the ax hard and heavily on the stone, which made the turning of it very fatiguing. The man came every now and then from the wheel to see how the work went on, and at length would take his ax as it was, without farther grinding. "No," said the smith, "turn on, turn on; we shall have it bright by-and-by; as yet, it is only speckled." "Yes," says the man, "but I think I like a speckled ax best." And I believe this may have been the case with many, who, having, for want of some such means as I employ'd, found the difficulty of obtaining good and breaking bad habits in other points of vice and virtue, have given up the struggle, and concluded that "a speckled ax was best"; for something, that pretended to be reason, was every now and then suggesting to me that such extream nicety as I exacted of myself might be a kind of foppery in morals, which, if it were known, would make me ridiculous; that a perfect character might be attended with the inconvenience of being envied and hated; and that a benevolent man should allow a few faults in himself, to keep his friends in countenance.
In truth, I found myself incorrigible with respect to Order; and now I am grown old, and my memory bad, I feel very sensibly the want of it. But, on the whole, tho' I never arrived at the perfection I had been so ambitious of obtaining, but fell far short of it, yet I was, by the endeavour, a better and a happier man than I otherwise should have been if I had not attempted it; as those who aim at perfect writing by imitating the engraved copies, tho' they never reach the wish'd-for excellence of those copies, their hand is mended by the endeavour, and is tolerable while it continues fair and legible.
[70] Professor McMaster tells us that when Franklin was American Agent in France, his lack of business order was a source of annoyance to his colleagues and friends. "Strangers who came to see him were amazed to behold papers of the greatest importance scattered in the most careless way over the table and floor."
月书摘抄20，关于secret society （估计兄弟会、精英之类的，还有各种secret society，就是从这里起源的。）
Having mentioned a great and extensive project which I had conceiv'd, it seems proper that some account should be here given of that project and its object. Its first rise in my mind appears in the following little paper, accidentally preserv'd, viz.:
Observations on my reading history, in Library, May 19th, 1731.
"That the great affairs of the world, the wars, revolutions, etc., are carried on and effected by parties.
"That the view of these parties is their present general interest, or what they take to be such.
"That the different views of these different parties occasion all confusion.
"That while a party is carrying on a general design, each man has his particular private interest in view.
"That as soon as a party has gain'd its general point, each member becomes intent upon his particular interest; which, thwarting others, breaks that party into divisions, and occasions more confusion. "That few in public affairs act from a mere view of the good of their country, whatever they may pretend; and, tho' their actings bring real good to their country, yet men primarily considered that their own and their country's interest was united, and did not act from a principle of benevolence.
"That fewer still, in public affairs, act with a view to the good of mankind.
"There seems to me at present to be great occasion for raising a United Party for Virtue, by forming the virtuous and good men of all nations into a regular body, to be govern'd by suitable good and wise rules, which good and wise men may probably be more unanimous in their obedience to, than common people are to common laws.
"I at present think that whoever attempts this aright, and is well qualified, cannot fail of pleasing God, and of meeting with success. B. F."
Revolving this project in my mind, as to be undertaken hereafter, when my circumstances should afford me the necessary leisure, I put down from time to time, on pieces of paper, such thoughts as occurr'd to me respecting it. Most of these are lost; but I find one purporting to be the substance of an intended creed, containing, as I thought, the essentials of every known religion, and being free of everything that might shock the professors of any religion. It is express'd in these words, viz.:
"That there is one God, who made all things.
"That he governs the world by his providence.
"That he ought to be worshiped by adoration, prayer, and thanksgiving.
"But that the most acceptable service of God is doing good to man.
"That the soul is immortal.
"And that God will certainly reward virtue and punish vice, either here or hereafter."
My ideas at that time were, that the sect should be begun and spread at first among young and single men only; that each person to be initiated should not only declare his assent to such creed, but should have exercised himself with the thirteen weeks' examination and practice of the virtues, as in the beforemention'd model; that the existence of such a society should be kept a secret, till it was become considerable, to prevent solicitations for the admission of improper persons, but that the members should each of them search among his acquaintance for ingenuous, well-disposed youths, to whom, with prudent caution, the scheme should be gradually communicated; that the members should engage to afford their advice, assistance, and support to each other in promoting one another's interests, business, and advancement in life; that, for distinction, we should be call'd The Society of the Free and Easy: free, as being, by the general practice and habit of the virtues, free from the dominion of vice; and particularly by the practice of industry and frugality, free from debt, which exposes a man to confinement, and a species of slavery to his creditors.
我不觉得我问这些问题的时候是寻找或者建立日后的利益关系，但是你问了，我想了想，我问这些问题的结果可能还是一种利益关系：我从别人那里得到了我想得到的——看到人的变化和成长，开心也是因为这个，或者说，因为看到我所希望看到的、我认为人身上美的东西（改变、自由、坚持、自省等等），在那一刻我感觉到有至少单方面的connection“he/she is someone i like”——或者这叫做connection么？ 刚才看你的两段话我想了想，之所以没有话回应，要么是对方的答案里我看不到美的东西，要么是我看到了美、但是我能反馈的只有想法“totally agree”“that's amazing/inspiring”、却没有更实质的东西可以给人家，因为我做的事太少了，我所看到的美我自己很少做过，can give nothing new所以就卡住了。 那么，形成connection的谈话起始点，都不应该是问题？因为所有的问题都是一种索取？而应该是说话、分享？精神上的给予？
一个是nyt文章提到的，"they can screen for conditions where early detection does not alter the course of the disease, either because the body might heal itself or because there are no effective remedies. in either case they can lead to aggressive procedures to clarify the diagnosis or provide treatment, which themselves can be harmful. "
另外early detection does not alter the course of the disease， 这点我也觉得并不apply to 很多。 或者说， 也有很多疾病， early detection does alter the course of the disease，就是说我们可以有所作为根据早期诊断结果去改变最后的结局， 或者换句话说， 如果early detection does not alter the course of the disease， 那早期detection对这些疾病也没有坏处。。。 真正false positive ---> harmful treatment到底站多大的比例， 这个是个值得讨论的话题
以下是引用meiyoule在7/12/2012 12:26:00 PM的发言： 我觉得追踪女性， 应该把身材放到第一位去看绩效和效价（这两个词不太懂， 猜猜大概可以这么用)... 我觉得最好是看一个Package, 容貌身材我觉得要一起考虑 而且男人看女人，真是不一样啊。电影Good Will Hunting里边的女主，我真不觉得好看，但是will hunting喜欢得不得了，连他哥们儿都说这个女孩out of his league
那个tough love miami，也全程拍摄了dating。重放的时候，看到一个女生滔滔不绝地monologue了二十五分钟，汗。讲她的坎坷人生。她的date就不停地出小动作，用手擦汗啊，嘴角往下撇啊，总之都是不耐其烦的动作，人家女生视若无睹。最后分手时说，下次date会more fun。男生找主持人说，为什么要等下次啊？次次都fun才对啊!
那个tough love miami，也全程拍摄了dating。重放的时候，看到一个女生滔滔不绝地monologue了二十五分钟，汗。讲她的坎坷人生。她的date就不停地出小动作，用手擦汗啊，嘴角往下撇啊，总之都是不耐其烦的动作，人家女生视若无睹。最后分手时说，下次date会more fun。男生找主持人说，为什么要等下次啊？次次都fun才对啊!
I therefore did not like the opposition of this new member, who was a gentleman of fortune and education, with talents that were likely to give him, in time, great influence in the House, which, indeed, afterwards happened. I did not, however, aim at gaining his favour by paying any servile respect to him, but, after some time, took this other method. Having heard that he had in his library a certain very scarce and curious book, I wrote a note to him, expressing my desire of perusing that book, and requesting he would do me the favour of lending it to me for a few days. He sent it immediately, and I return'd it in about a week with another note, expressing strongly my sense of the favour. When we next met in the House, he spoke to me (which he had never done before), and with great civility; and he ever after manifested a readiness to serve me on all occasions, so that we became great friends, and our friendship continued to his death. This is another instance of the truth of an old maxim I had learned, which says, "He that has once done you a kindness will be more ready to do you another, than he whom you yourself have obliged." And it shows how much more profitable it is prudently to remove, than to resent, return, and continue inimical proceedings.
The sight of their miserable situation inspir'd the benevolent heart of Mr. Whitefield with the idea of building an Orphan House there(在Georgia州), in which they might be supported and educated. Returning northward, he preach'd up this charity, and made large collections, for his eloquence had a wonderful power over the hearts and purses of his hearers, of which I myself was an instance.
I did not disapprove of the design, but, as Georgia was then destitute of materials and workmen, and it was proposed to send them from Philadelphia at a great expense, I thought it would have been better to have built the house here, and brought the children to it. This I advis'd; but he was resolute in his first project, rejected my counsel, and I therefore refus'd to contribute. I happened soon after to attend one of his sermons, in the course of which I perceived he intended to finish with a collection, and I silently resolved he should get nothing from me. I had in my pocket a handful of copper money, three or four silver dollars, and five pistols in gold. As he proceeded I began to soften, and concluded to give the coppers. Another stroke of his oratory made me asham'd of that, and determin'd me to give the silver; and he finish'd so admirably, that I empty'd my pocket wholly into the collector's dish, gold and all. At this sermon there was also one of our club, who, being of my sentiments respecting the building in Georgia, and suspecting a collection might be intended, had, by precaution, emptied his pockets before he came from home. Towards the conclusion of the discourse, however, he felt a strong desire to give, and apply'd to a neighbour who stood near him, to borrow some money for the purpose. The application was unfortunately [made] to perhaps the only man in the company who had the firmness not to be affected by the preacher. His answer was, "At any other time, Friend Hopkinson, I would lend to thee freely; but not now, for thee seems to be out of thy right senses."
the partnership at carolina having succeeded, i was encourag'd to engage in others, and to promote several of my workmen, who had behaved well, by establishing them with printing-houses in different colonies, on the same terms with that in carolina. most of them did well, being enabled at the end of our term, six years, to purchase the types of me and go on working for themselves, by which means several families were raised.
partnerships often finish in quarrels; but i was happy in this, that mine were all carried on and ended amicably, owing, i think, a good deal to the precaution of having very explicitly settled, in our articles, everything to be done by or expected from each partner, so that there was nothing to dispute, which precaution i would therefore recommend to all who enter into partnerships; for, whatever esteem partners may have for, and confidence in each other at the time of the contract, little jealousies and disgusts may arise, with ideas of inequality in the care and burden of the business, etc., which are attended often with breach of friendship and of the connection, perhaps with lawsuits and other disagreeable consequences. [此贴子已经被作者于2012/7/12 13:37:41编辑过]
Indeed I had some cause to believe that the defense of the country was not disagreeable to any of them, provided they were not requir'd to assist in it. And I found that a much greater number of them than I could have imagined, tho' against offensive war, were clearly for the defensive. Many pamphlets pro and con were publish'd on the subject, and some by good Quakers, in favour of defense, which I believe convinc'd most of their younger people.
A transaction in our fire company gave me some insight into their prevailing sentiments. It had been propos'd that we should encourage the scheme for building a battery by laying out the present stock, then about sixty pounds, in tickets of the lottery. By our rules, no money could be dispos'd of till the next meeting after the proposal. The company consisted of thirty members, of which twenty-two were Quakers, and eight only of other persuasions. We eight punctually attended the meeting; but, tho' we thought that some of the Quakers would join us, we were by no means sure of a majority. Only one Quaker, Mr. James Morris, appear'd to oppose the measure. He expressed much sorrow that it had ever been propos'd, as he said Friends were all against it, and it would create such discord as might break up the company. We told him that we saw no reason for that; we were the minority, and if Friends were against the measure, and outvoted us, we must and should, agreeably to the usage of all societies, submit. When the hour for business arriv'd it was mov'd to put the vote; he allow'd we might then do it by the rules, but, as he could assure us that a number of members intended to be present for the purpose of opposing it, it would be but candid to allow a little time for their appearing.
While we were disputing this, a waiter came to tell me two gentlemen below desir'd to speak with me. I went down, and found they were two of our Quaker members. They told me there were eight of them assembled at a tavern just by; that they were determin'd to come and vote with us if there should be occasion, which they hop'd would not be the case, and desir'd we would not call for their assistance if we could do without it, as their voting for such a measure might embroil them with their elders and friends. Being thus secure of a majority, I went up, and after a little seeming hesitation, agreed to a delay of another hour. This Mr. Morris allow'd to be extreamly fair. Not one of his opposing friends appear'd, at which he express'd great surprize; and, at the expiration of the hour, we carri'd the resolution eight to one; and as, of the twenty-two Quakers, eight were ready to vote with us, and thirteen, by their absence, manifested that they were not inclin'd to oppose the measure, I afterward estimated the proportion of Quakers sincerely against defense as one to twenty-one only; for these were all regular members of that society, and in good reputation among them, and had due notice of what was propos'd at that meeting.
My being many years in the Assembly, the majority of which were constantly Quakers, gave me frequent opportunities of seeing the embarrassment given them by their principle against war, whenever application was made to them, by order of the crown, to grant aids for military purposes. They were unwilling to offend government, on the one hand, by a direct refusal; and their friends, the body of the Quakers, on the other, by compliance contrary to their principles; hence a variety of evasions to avoid complying, and modes of disguising the compliance when it became unavoidable. The common mode at last was, to grant money under the phrase of its being "for the king's use," and never to inquire how it was applied.
But, if the demand was not directly from the crown, that phrase was found not so proper, and some other was to be invented. As, when powder was wanting (I think it was for the garrison at Louisburg), and the government of New England solicited a grant of some from Pennsylvania, which was much urg'd on the House by Governor Thomas, they could not grant money to buy powder, because that was an ingredient of war; but they voted an aid to New England of three thousand pounds, to be put into the hands of the governor, and appropriated it for the purchasing of bread, flour, wheat or other grain. Some of the council, desirous of giving the House still further embarrassment, advis'd the governor not to accept provision, as not being the thing he had demanded; but he repli'd, "I shall take the money, for I understand very well their meaning; other grain is gunpowder," which he accordingly bought, and they never objected to it.
汗，第一次听说，是说什么的
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica
4个季度的 还有几个spin-off我也没明白。。主要是说的人类造了cylon机器人， 后来cylon 把人打败了。。。 这之后的一些等等。。 没有太多科幻名词啊啥的（主创者也刻意的避免了）， 是属于探讨人性啊政治啊文明啊啥的。。。
我也是一年洗两次。我的牙医还每年照一次x-ray。我有点嘀咕有没有必要。
http://www.webmd.com/oral-health/guide/dental-x-rays-when-get-them
这里说没有decay的话，2、3年一次x-ray就够了。
我是18个月一次x ray.. 我理解女人可能到时候就会有bone loss啥的。。。 x ray 可能对某些还是需要的。。。 这个射线， 应该是在非常安全的范围内的。
以下是引用meiyoule在7/11/2012 12:29:00 PM的发言：
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica
4个季度的 还有几个spin-off我也没明白。。主要是说的人类造了cylon机器人， 后来cylon 把人打败了。。。 这之后的一些等等。。 没有太多科幻名词啊啥的（主创者也刻意的避免了）， 是属于探讨人性啊政治啊文明啊啥的。。。
以下是引用meiyoule在7/11/2012 12:29:00 PM的发言：
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica
4个季度的 还有几个spin-off我也没明白。。主要是说的人类造了cylon机器人， 后来cylon 把人打败了。。。 这之后的一些等等。。 没有太多科幻名词啊啥的（主创者也刻意的避免了）， 是属于探讨人性啊政治啊文明啊啥的。。。
但是pap正常的话是两年做一次的呀
我都是每年做的啊。好像我看我同事们都是每年一次。。。 是不是如果结果一直很好的话可以少做点儿？我就是知道我OB这个Case之后， 我每年都做了。以前我还不怎么在意来着
以下是引用meiyoule在7/11/2012 12:37:00 PM的发言：
我都是每年做的啊。好像我看我同事们都是每年一次。。。 是不是如果结果一直很好的话可以少做点儿？我就是知道我OB这个Case之后， 我每年都做了。以前我还不怎么在意来着
有很多啊，电影和TV，还有original，你们说的是哪个啊？
我们看得是 This led to a weekly TV series which ran for four seasons between 2004 and 2009.
我觉得有自虐”倾向的父母， 绝大部分都far from 无私。 很多， 都是自己习惯了， 长期占据道德制高点了， 然后做给子女看， 来也许无意识的情感勒索。。。。 他们很多其实deep inside比那些表面看上去有私的父母要自私很多很多， 而且基本都伴随很大的控制欲望
我在那个父母关系的帖子里面写了这么一句话， 我觉得就特别是我现在的想法
我觉得有自虐”倾向的父母， 绝大部分都far from 无私。 很多， 都是自己习惯了， 长期占据道德制高点了， 然后做给子女看， 来也许无意识的情感勒索。。。。 他们很多其实deep inside比那些表面看上去有私的父母要自私很多很多， 而且基本都伴随很大的控制欲望
表现得很无私，一般我都会打个问号。
所以我其实很喜欢BSG里的Baltar，自私得理直气壮，而且很entertaining。他就是BSG灰暗生活中的亮光，哈哈。
月书摘抄16，关于宗教
i had been religiously educated as a presbyterian; and though some of the dogmas of that persuasion, such as the eternal decrees of god, election, reprobation, etc., appeared to me unintelligible, others doubtful, and i early absented myself from the public assemblies of the sect, sunday being my studying day, i never was without some religious principles. i never doubted, for instance, the existence of the deity; that he made the world, and govern'd it by his providence; that the most acceptable service of god was the doing good to man; that our souls are immortal; and that all crime will be punished, and virtue rewarded, either here or hereafter. these i esteem'd the essentials of every religion; and, being to be found in all the religions we had in our country, i respected them all, tho' with different degrees of respect, as i found them more or less mix'd with other articles, which, without any tendency to inspire, promote, or confirm morality, serv'd principally to divide us, and make us unfriendly to one another. this respect to all, with an opinion that the worst had some good effects, induc'd me to avoid all discourse that might tend to lessen the good opinion another might have of his own religion…
tho' i seldom attended any public worship, i had still an opinion of its propriety, and of its utility when rightly conducted, and i regularly paid my annual subscription for the support of the only presbyterian minister or meeting we had in philadelphia. he us'd to visit me sometimes as a friend, and admonished me to attend his administrations, and i was now and then prevail'd on to do so, once for five sundays successively. had he been in my opinion a good preacher, perhaps i might have continued,[65] notwithstanding the occasion i had for the sunday's leisure in my course of study…
[65] franklin expressed a different view about the duty of attending church later.
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月书摘抄17，关于道德
（Franklin解释他的十三条）
In the various enumerations of the moral virtues I had met with in my reading, I found the catalogue more or less numerous, as different writers included more or fewer ideas under the same name. Temperance, for example, was by some confined to eating and drinking, while by others it was extended to mean the moderating every other pleasure, appetite, inclination, or passion, bodily or mental, even to our avarice and ambition. I propos'd to myself, for the sake of clearness, to use rather more names, with fewer ideas annex'd to each, than a few names with more ideas; and I included under thirteen names of virtues all that at that time occurr'd to me as necessary or desirable, and annexed to each a short precept, which fully express'd the extent
I gave to its meaning.
These names of virtues, with their precepts, were:
1. Temperance.
Eat not to dullness; drink not to elevation.
2. Silence.
Speak not but what may benefit others or yourself; avoid trifling conversation.
3. Order.
Let all your things have their places; let each part of your business have its time.
4. Resolution.
Resolve to perform what you ought; perform without fail what you resolve.
5. Frugality.
Make no expense but to do good to others or yourself; i. e., waste nothing.
6. INDUSTRY.
Lose no time; be always employ'd in something useful; cut off all unnecessary actions.
7. Sincerity.
Use no hurtful deceit; think innocently and justly; and, if you speak, speak accordingly.
Benjamin Franklin, by Benjamin Franklin 46
8. Justice.
Wrong none by doing injuries, or omitting the benefits that are your duty.
9. Moderation.
Avoid extreams; forbear resenting injuries so much as you think they deserve.
10. Cleanliness.
Tolerate no uncleanliness in body, cloaths, or habitation.
11. Tranquillity.
Be not disturbed at trifles, or at accidents common or unavoidable.
12. Chastity.
13. Humility.
Imitate Jesus and Socrates.
I made a little book, in which I allotted a page for each of the virtues.[68] I rul'd each page with red ink, so as to have seven columns, one for each day of the week, marking each column with a letter for the day. I cross'd these columns with thirteen red lines, marking the beginning of each line with the first letter of one of the virtues, on which line, and in its proper column, I might mark, by a little black spot, every fault I found upon examination to have been committed respecting that virtue upon that day.
I determined to give a week's strict attention to each of the virtues successively…. I enter'd upon the execution of this plan for self-examination, and continu'd it with occasional intermissions for some time. I was surpris'd to find myself so much fuller of faults than I had imagined; but I had the satisfaction of seeing them diminish…
After a while I went thro' one course only in a year, and afterward only one in several years, till at length I omitted them entirely, being employ'd in voyages and business abroad, with a multiplicity of affairs that interfered; but I always carried my little book with me.
表现得很无私，一般我都会打个问号。
所以我其实很喜欢BSG里的Baltar，自私得理直气壮，而且很entertaining。他就是BSG灰暗生活中的亮光，哈哈。
玛雅这人身上集中了我最不喜欢的一些男人特点。。。 我看他就烦。。
My list of virtues contain'd at first but twelve; but a Quaker friend having kindly informed me that I was generally thought proud; that my pride show'd itself frequently in conversation; that I was not content with being in the right when discussing any point, but was overbearing, and rather insolent, of which he convinc'd me by mentioning several instances; I determined endeavouring to cure myself, if I could, of this vice or folly among the rest, and I added Humility to my list, giving an extensive meaning to the word.
I cannot boast of much success in acquiring the reality of this virtue, but I had a good deal with regard to the appearance of it. I made it a rule to forbear all direct contradiction to the sentiments of others, and all positive assertion of my own. I even forbid myself, agreeably to the old laws of our Junto, the use of every word or expression in the language that imported a fix'd opinion, such as certainly, undoubtedly, etc., and I adopted, instead of them, I conceive, I apprehend, or I imagine a thing to be so or so; or it so appears to me at present. When another asserted something that I thought an error, I deny'd myself the pleasure of contradicting him abruptly, and of showing immediately some absurdity in his proposition; and in answering I began by observing that in certain cases or circumstances his opinion would be right, but in the present case there appear'd or seem'd to me some difference, etc. I soon found the advantage of this change in my manner; the conversations I engag'd in went on more pleasantly. The modest way in which I propos'd my opinions procur'd them a readier reception and less contradiction; I had less mortification when I was found to be in the wrong, and I more easily prevail'd with others to give up their mistakes and join with me when I happened to be in the right.
My scheme of Order gave me the most trouble… with regard to places for things, papers, etc., I found extreamly difficult to acquire. I had not been early accustomed to it, and, having an exceeding good memory, I was not so sensible of the inconvenience attending want of method. This article, therefore, cost me so much painful attention, and my faults in it vexed me so much, and I made so little progress in amendment, and had such frequent relapses, that I was almost ready to give up the attempt, and content myself with a faulty character in that respect, like the man who, in buying an ax of a smith, my neighbour, desired to have the whole of its surface as bright as the edge. The smith consented to grind it bright for him if he would turn the wheel; he
turn'd, while the smith press'd the broad face of the ax hard and heavily on the stone, which made the turning of it very fatiguing. The man came every now and then from the wheel to see how the work went on, and at length would take his ax as it was, without farther grinding. "No," said the smith, "turn on, turn on; we shall have it bright by-and-by; as yet, it is only speckled." "Yes," says the man, "but I think I like a speckled ax best." And I believe this may have been the case with many, who, having, for want of some such means as I employ'd, found the difficulty of obtaining good and breaking bad habits in other points of vice and virtue, have given up the struggle, and concluded that "a speckled ax was best"; for something, that pretended to be reason, was every now and then suggesting to me that such extream nicety as I exacted of myself might be a kind of foppery in morals, which, if it were known, would make me ridiculous; that a perfect character might be attended with the inconvenience of being envied and hated; and that a benevolent man should allow a few faults in himself, to keep his friends in countenance.
In truth, I found myself incorrigible with respect to Order; and now I am grown old, and my memory bad, I feel very sensibly the want of it. But, on the whole, tho' I never arrived at the perfection I had been so ambitious of obtaining, but fell far short of it, yet I was, by the endeavour, a better and a happier man than I otherwise should have been if I had not attempted it; as those who aim at perfect writing by imitating the engraved copies, tho' they never reach the wish'd-for excellence of those copies, their hand is mended by the endeavour, and is tolerable while it continues fair and legible.
[70] Professor McMaster tells us that when Franklin was American Agent in France, his lack of business order was a source of annoyance to his colleagues and friends. "Strangers who came to see him were amazed to behold papers of the greatest importance scattered in the most careless way over the table and floor."
Having mentioned a great and extensive project which I had conceiv'd, it seems proper that some account should be here given of that project and its object. Its first rise in my mind appears in the following little paper, accidentally preserv'd, viz.:
Observations on my reading history, in Library, May 19th, 1731.
"That the great affairs of the world, the wars, revolutions, etc., are carried on and effected by parties.
"That the view of these parties is their present general interest, or what they take to be such.
"That the different views of these different parties occasion all confusion.
"That while a party is carrying on a general design, each man has his particular private interest in view.
"That as soon as a party has gain'd its general point, each member becomes intent upon his particular interest; which, thwarting others, breaks that party into divisions, and occasions more confusion.
"That few in public affairs act from a mere view of the good of their country, whatever they may pretend; and, tho' their actings bring real good to their country, yet men primarily considered that their own and their country's interest was united, and did not act from a principle of benevolence.
"That fewer still, in public affairs, act with a view to the good of mankind.
"There seems to me at present to be great occasion for raising a United Party for Virtue, by forming the virtuous and good men of all nations into a regular body, to be govern'd by suitable good and wise rules, which good and wise men may probably be more unanimous in their obedience to, than common people are to common laws.
"I at present think that whoever attempts this aright, and is well qualified, cannot fail of pleasing God, and of meeting with success. B. F."
Revolving this project in my mind, as to be undertaken hereafter, when my circumstances should afford me the necessary leisure, I put down from time to time, on pieces of paper, such thoughts as occurr'd to me respecting it. Most of these are lost; but I find one purporting to be the substance of an intended creed, containing, as I thought, the essentials of every known religion, and being free of everything that might shock the professors of any religion. It is express'd in these words, viz.:
"That there is one God, who made all things.
"That he governs the world by his providence.
"That he ought to be worshiped by adoration, prayer, and thanksgiving.
"But that the most acceptable service of God is doing good to man.
"That the soul is immortal.
"And that God will certainly reward virtue and punish vice, either here or hereafter."
My ideas at that time were, that the sect should be begun and spread at first among young and single men only; that each person to be initiated should not only declare his assent to such creed, but should have exercised himself with the thirteen weeks' examination and practice of the virtues, as in the beforemention'd model; that the existence of such a society should be kept a secret, till it was become considerable, to prevent solicitations for the admission of improper persons, but that the members should each of them search among his acquaintance for ingenuous, well-disposed youths, to whom, with prudent caution, the scheme should be gradually communicated; that the members should engage to afford their advice, assistance, and support to each other in promoting one another's interests, business, and advancement in life; that, for distinction, we should be call'd The Society of the Free and Easy: free, as being, by the general practice and habit of the virtues, free from the dominion of vice; and particularly by the practice of industry and frugality, free from debt, which exposes a man to confinement, and a species of slavery to his creditors.
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树洞一下。
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这种人真没道理讲了。该干嘛干嘛吧。定期发个email联系，电话也甭打了。
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这种人真没道理讲了。该干嘛干嘛吧。定期发个email联系，电话也甭打了。
对的， 一个人在异国他乡， 不容易。钱啊啥的， 给自己留着。 你的决定也不需要告诉他们， 做了通知一下就好了。。 email比较好， 大家都文明些
回头向子女所求，彼此折磨。
真正爱子女的话，需要去control, 要挟么？
中国这个孝道文化太压抑人了。硬要把平凡人拔高到圣父圣母，一味宣传什么无私奉献，占据道德制高点。
回头向子女所求，彼此折磨。
真正爱子女的话，需要去control, 要挟么？
他可以尝试control你， 你不要被control就好了。[replyview] 其实子女成年后， 主动权真是在自己这儿， 特别你已经离开家了。。我现在是没办法住在一起。。。好在一个月过去了， 再两个多月就送走了。。。 以后我们就2年回去一次， 呆个2个礼拜。。 我妈这次把她自己的后路都堵死了。。。[/replyview]
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回去也住旅馆吧，省心。
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[replyview]回去住我们没有矛盾， 他们做啥我们吃啥， 很多时候都是在外面吃。 他们家里面的事情我们从不干涉也不插手。。当然啦要是他们不欢迎我们住家里， 那我们就住旅馆。[/replyview]
我最怕本着爱你的心，以爱你的名义，瞎折腾得了人，说都说不得。。。
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yaocen在另外一个帖子里回复说，最怕有些父母打着爱的旗号控制，还完全不能说他们。
没什么不好说的。 不理解为什么不能说
以下是引用meiyoule在7/11/2012 1:52:00 PM的发言：
没什么不好说的。 不理解为什么不能说
要求别人是行不通的
以下是引用冬日阳光灿烂在7/11/2012 2:07:00 PM的发言：
大部分人都有好处有坏处，所谓坏处，大多也仅仅只是跟自己不合的地方。彼此相处，不过就是尽量将彼此的好处激发出来，让坏处尽可能少影响自己。
[此贴子已经被作者于2012/7/12 13:33:42编辑过]
我在那个父母关系的帖子里面写了这么一句话， 我觉得就特别是我现在的想法
我觉得有自虐”倾向的父母， 绝大部分都far from 无私。 很多， 都是自己习惯了， 长期占据道德制高点了， 然后做给子女看， 来也许无意识的情感勒索。。。。 他们很多其实deep inside比那些表面看上去有私的父母要自私很多很多， 而且基本都伴随很大的控制欲望
不是很同意。自虐，是外人看起来觉得吧，有些时候父母并不觉得呢，为了孩子心甘情愿，并不是做出来给他看的。 不过我知道你想说的意思，同意。
不是很同意。自虐，是外人看起来觉得吧，有些时候父母并不觉得呢，为了孩子心甘情愿，并不是做出来给他看的。 不过我知道你想说的意思，同意。
这个所谓”为了孩子“， 我觉得很多时候其实是为了自己。。 确实未必是做出来给他看得。 就是自己那样做了就舒服了（至于为什么就舒服了， 那只有个人知道， 有些是占据道德高点， 有些是没有安全感).就是你所谓的心甘情愿吧。。。。其实我们的行为多少要考虑所谓的“接收方”吧。。。
大部分人都有好处有坏处，所谓坏处，大多也仅仅只是跟自己不合的地方。彼此相处，不过就是尽量将彼此的好处激发出来，让坏处尽可能少影响自己。
很有道理。
这个所谓”为了孩子“， 我觉得很多时候其实是为了自己。。 确实未必是做出来给他看得。 就是自己那样做了就舒服了（至于为什么就舒服了， 那只有个人知道， 有些是占据道德高点， 有些是没有安全感).就是你所谓的心甘情愿吧。。。。其实我们的行为多少要考虑所谓的“接收方”吧。。。
有很多啊，电影和TV，还有original，你们说的是哪个啊？
2004 series，season1, season2, season2.5, season3, razor, season4, season4.5, and the plan应该就全了
2004 series，season1, season2, season2.5, season3, razor, season4, season4.5, and the plan应该就全了
玛雅还有2.5， 4.5？ 那我没看到2.5啊？ 我好想直接就看到season 3了。 怪不得我看不太明白。。。
玛雅还有2.5， 4.5？ 那我没看到2.5啊？ 我好想直接就看到season 3了。 怪不得我看不太明白。。。
是的，他们这点弄的挺奇怪的，所以make sure看全了
red真了不起，我自认我是做不来翻译的。不知道你以前总认为自己不行的想法是哪里来的，我觉得你很行呢。
我觉得，我属于jack of all trades，所以看起来好像挺行的。但是master of none，而要成为master of a trade，我总是危难。这个平衡还没有找好。
那从别人的回答里是不是还有感兴趣可以问的呢？
我一般的反应都是被镇住了，跟现场看演唱会一样，有情绪没想法
有时候也有感兴趣的，但大多数问题被自己的犹豫给拦住了。。。历史遗留问题，要时刻有意识
不知道这种风格是不是universially effective，我能不能学得来？
早上好！
早！ 昨晚看BSG， 看得很high 啊。。。 我觉得演员故事都很不错。。 制作稍稍粗糙一点儿，不过也许我看了mad men以后胃口大了。。。 这个看完，要把mad men看了。。 是不是也结束了的？
我一般的反应都是被镇住了，跟现场看演唱会一样，有情绪没想法
有时候也有感兴趣的，但大多数问题被自己的犹豫给拦住了。。。历史遗留问题，要时刻有意识
这个问题我也有。尤其面对帅哥，又是特幽默特会讲故事的的，脸红心跳就说不出话来了。好在我认为帅的人不是太多。
我发现，我们单位那个帅哥之所以能那么social、同时和几十个人保持熟人关系，一部分原因就是他并不像我一样要求和任何一个人的交谈都有意思有内容，交谈对他来说可能更多的是个保持关系的工具而已。有时候就是几句闲话、十分钟的交谈，就让别人觉得他很亲切很阳光，就达到目的可以走人了。这样好像效率很高啊。。。
不知道这种风格是不是universially effective，我能不能学得来？
我觉得每个人的风格有一部分是先天的。那个帅哥听起来很外向。外向的人喜欢这种遍地开花的社交，和很多人接触。内向的人不太喜欢这样。
我发现，我们单位那个帅哥之所以能那么social、同时和几十个人保持熟人关系，一部分原因就是他并不像我一样要求和任何一个人的交谈都有意思有内容，交谈对他来说可能更多的是个保持关系的工具而已。有时候就是几句闲话、十分钟的交谈，就让别人觉得他很亲切很阳光，就达到目的可以走人了。这样好像效率很高啊。。。
不知道这种风格是不是universially effective，我能不能学得来？
平常心吧。。 人和人之间的交谈，不要太讲究效率。。。不过帅哥真的先天优势， 放松， 自然让人觉得很亲切
早！ 昨晚看BSG， 看得很high 啊。。。 我觉得演员故事都很不错。。 制作稍稍粗糙一点儿，不过也许我看了mad men以后胃口大了。。。 这个看完，要把mad men看了。。 是不是也结束了的？
小没好！我也是啊，看哭了还。第一季"Flesh and Blood”starbuck审讯那个cylon，最后的时候。
你是问mad man结束了吗？我都没看过mad man，不知道。在我的to do list上。
平常心吧。。 人和人之间的交谈，不要太讲究效率。。。不过帅哥真的先天优势， 放松， 自然让人觉得很亲切
帅，还阳光，真是过分。
以下是引用meiyoule在7/12/2012 10:12:00 AM的发言：
平常心吧。。 人和人之间的交谈，不要太讲究效率。。。不过帅哥真的先天优势， 放松， 自然让人觉得很亲切
年轻女孩子青春真诚的笑容就无敌了，没啥学不来的
以下是引用redsilence在7/11/2012 10:35:00 PM的发言：
我发现，我们单位那个帅哥之所以能那么social、同时和几十个人保持熟人关系，一部分原因就是他并不像我一样要求和任何一个人的交谈都有意思有内容，交谈对他来说可能更多的是个保持关系的工具而已。有时候就是几句闲话、十分钟的交谈，就让别人觉得他很亲切很阳光，就达到目的可以走人了。这样好像效率很高啊。。。
不知道这种风格是不是universially effective，我能不能学得来？
是的，他们这点弄的挺奇怪的，所以make sure看全了
看了一下， netflix上面是按照顺序来的， 他没有标2.5， 但是2季有20 episodes...所以应该是没有问题的
小没好！我也是啊，看哭了还。第一季"Flesh and Blood”starbuck审讯那个cylon，最后的时候。
你是问mad man结束了吗？我都没看过mad man，不知道。在我的to do list上。
汗。 1 季我已经完全记不得了。。 mad men 很好看的， 好像我看到有个什么新闻title 说mad men finale了。。。
汗。 1 季我已经完全记不得了。。 mad men 很好看的， 好像我看到有个什么新闻title 说mad men finale了。。。
tv.com一般消息很全。
话说大致来讲，在海外的没有自己创业的， 我高中我认识的，目前混的最好的是我蓝颜。。 当年那也是高大帅气的（不过现在中年大叔了，也不怎么能看了）。。。而且他性格特别好， 每个人都会觉得如沐春风的。。。 [replyview]但是他当年没上大学的， 我那个高中不上大学的几乎没有。。。 [/replyview]
我前天晚上和某人，很偶然， 我以前有个小包， 他看到了， 说那啥他高中的一个同学就是那家品牌的VP marketing了。。某人讲，这是他那个高中他那一期的发展最好的。。。。我下一大跳， 这个品牌不贵，但是到处都是， 是个知名度很高的牌子（具体牌子不说了）。。。 我简单查了一下， 她去的是个非常一般的大学， 后来转学也去的很一般。。 就是我觉得全美排名恐怕在200-300这个区间的。。某人说， 这个女孩子当年在他们高中tremendously popular，特别好看(不过我现在看她近照， 看不出来曾经那么好看， 她现在职业打扮很多， 而且短发， 但是身材挺高的挺好的）。。 看她访谈好像就是10几岁的时候， 一个机会她就跑去和那个品牌的CEO直接说了啥的。。 我觉得也就是漂亮特别popular的孩子， 随便说说啥的， CEO居然就注意了。。后来就这么慢慢的上来了。
反正我听了想想还是蛮感慨的。。觉得中国父母一天到晚要第一啊啥的，据统计那么多高考状元啥的后来其实也没有特别统计意义上的优势。。
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同意非要争第一什么的，真没必要。不过适当竞争，是很有好处的。
还有就是，相貌好，也要性格好，才是真好。
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summer
risk intelligence - how to live with unvertainty, by dylan evans.
里边讲到bayes' rule，和咱们讨论的身体年检、false positive很有点关系。等我有时间详细说一下。总之使我觉得年检更加弊大于利了。
交流的问题
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red
我有个问题捏
我跟别人交流的时候，经常问一些问题，比如你为什么会选择这个行业啊、为什么做了这个啊，去过哪儿啊有什么收获啊等等。这种问题一般会引来对方很高兴的一串有意思的答复，我听得也很开心，但是！听完了之后，我就只剩开心了，没有想法或者进一步的问题要说！刚要建立起来的connection似乎就断了
大家说怎么处理这种情况并保持联系捏？
enen
我不觉得上面这些问题有任何的connection，至少对我没有，connection是人与人之间的，或者利益与利益之间的，上面的问题更倾向于在日后的利益中寻找或者建立；其次，自己听的开心是真的听得开心还是因为自己的问题给了很多人展现自己的机会，所以从对方满足的神情中，自己也获得了满足？
summer
什么样的问题有connection呢？
当然是要真的感兴趣的问题。每个人的不一样。是否善于倾听才能发现别人对什么真的感兴趣？red说的那些，都是不错的开场问题。在谈论这些问题的时候，一般会有能过渡到进一步交流的引子吧？
enen
那你觉得什么样的问题有connection呢？ 我很少会问问题；我感到connection不是问题或者话题本身，还是因为某人对某事物的看法和自己的有可连系的时侯吧，感到某人在说着和自己一样的语言，或者自己从某人的视角中领悟到了什么的时侯。
我没有看过，是电影吗？我搜了一下；这句话到是让我感到在感到connection的瞬间，感到了温暖，因为不是独自的吧？
red
我不觉得我问这些问题的时候是寻找或者建立日后的利益关系，但是你问了，我想了想，我问这些问题的结果可能还是一种利益关系：我从别人那里得到了我想得到的——看到人的变化和成长，开心也是因为这个，或者说，因为看到我所希望看到的、我认为人身上美的东西（改变、自由、坚持、自省等等），在那一刻我感觉到有至少单方面的connection“he/she is someone i like”——或者这叫做connection么？
刚才看你的两段话我想了想，之所以没有话回应，要么是对方的答案里我看不到美的东西，要么是我看到了美、但是我能反馈的只有想法“totally agree”“that's amazing/inspiring”、却没有更实质的东西可以给人家，因为我做的事太少了，我所看到的美我自己很少做过，can give nothing new所以就卡住了。
那么，形成connection的谈话起始点，都不应该是问题？因为所有的问题都是一种索取？而应该是说话、分享？精神上的给予？
关于健康年检的一些话题和讨论
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summer
具体分析太长， 给个link
http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?boardid=331&id=1220880&page=1&star=362
大意就是，假设test只有5%的时候会误诊，把没病诊断成有病。你测出来有问题了，也不能说明你就有95%可能是真有问题，而只有5%的可能侥幸测错了。基准概率(base rate)很小的话，在摘抄例子里是0.5%，即便看似很有把握的测试测出来你有问题，其实你有问题的可能性也是很小，在摘抄例子里是4%。
meiyoule
summer我大致理解， 但是不明白这个为什么导致年检一年一次不必要这个结论。 再怎么讨论概率还是在人群这个概念上， 到个人， 查出来positive， 总是个warning， 再确症一次，甚至多找几个医生问问， 就可以达到很高的准确率啊
summer
我觉得可以从两方面看这个问题：
一个是nyt文章提到的，"they can screen for conditions where early detection does not alter the course of the disease, either because the body might heal itself or because there are no effective remedies. in either case they can lead to aggressive procedures to clarify the diagnosis or provide treatment, which themselves can be harmful. "
还有一个是多测几次能不能达到很高的准确率。用一下书中的例子：
p(真有病/诊断有病)=4%
p(没病/诊断有病)=96%
测五次都诊断有病的话，真有病的可能性 = 1 - 0.96^5 = 18%
这个例子里的false positive还不是很高的。当然这个例子里的base rate也蛮低的。
http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?boardid=331&id=1220880&page=1&star=363
meiyoule
我实实在在的说， 是非常的不同意。 我理解那个false positive 在统计学上的可能的误差比我们认为的大。但是具体到个人， 多次的重复误诊false positive我理解应该没有这么大的概率。 很多检测， 是就是是， 不是就是不是。 重复一次基本就可以排除false positive. 或者说， 大部分的常见的疾病的false positive 也许< 1%, 那么连续5次还误诊的话， 概率就是1-.99^5=0.95.
另外early detection does not alter the course of the disease， 这点我也觉得并不apply to 很多。 或者说， 也有很多疾病， early detection does alter the course of the disease，就是说我们可以有所作为根据早期诊断结果去改变最后的结局， 或者换句话说， 如果early detection does not alter the course of the disease， 那早期detection对这些疾病也没有坏处。。。 真正false positive ---> harmful treatment到底站多大的比例， 这个是个值得讨论的话题
summer
我想，结论是每个人不一样，每个test不一样。每个人身体也都一直在浮动，不是恒定的。今天检查有点儿问题，说不定下个月再查就没问题了，说不定身体自己就调节好了。
高危人群应该定期检查吧。
对身体有害的test少做。
test出有问题，要复查再复查。
复查还是有问题，要考虑是否需要治。
这个可以参照一下：
http://www.uspreventiveservicestaskforce.org/index.html
主页右下角有一个"find screening, counseling, and preventive medication services specific to a patient's risk factors. " 输入年龄、性别，submit后会有一个表格，建议需要和不需要的检查。
seal
我也没想通那个false positive。
我觉得还应该拿出来比较的是false positive导致harmful treatment和早期诊断出来导致及时治疗，这两个的数据是多少区别。
月书摘抄
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http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?boardid=331&id=1220880&page=1&star=366
[此贴子已经被作者于2012/7/13 13:52:28编辑过]
汗。 1 季我已经完全记不得了。。 mad men 很好看的， 好像我看到有个什么新闻title 说mad men finale了。。。
最近后知后觉地开始看mad men，的确很好看。
说句悲观的，这部电视剧真是印证了all men are dogs这句话。
哈哈哈。 我其实觉得读书这个事情， 真的就是不能太强调了。。。 很多东西还是要多出去， 多实践， 和人打交道。。 人的精力有限， 你读书花太多精力， 其他方面就自然弱了。。
我们所里刚做了个认知实验:
中国科学院心理研究所傅小兰研究组陈文锋等人采用多面孔追踪任务，首次探究了对面孔吸引力的自动评估对持续的分散注意的影响。研究结果发现人们对漂亮面孔的追踪绩效要高于对不漂亮面孔追踪的绩效。
在多面孔追踪任务中，被试需要追踪多个目标面孔，并在追踪结束后指出这几个或某个特定目标面孔的位置，其中面孔的吸引力是与任务无关的信息。研究结果发现漂亮的目标面孔对追踪绩效有促进作用，并且在控制了面孔情绪效价时这种效应依然存在。不过干扰面孔的吸引力程度则不影响追踪绩效，这说明人们不会对干扰面孔产生自发的吸引力评估。另一个有趣的发现是，女性被试追踪具有吸引力的男性面孔的绩效要高于不具吸引力的男性面孔的绩效，但是在追踪女性面孔时，男女被试的追踪成绩都不会受到面孔吸引力的影响。
因为人们对目标面孔吸引力产生的自发评估的确影响了追踪绩效，研究还从另一个角度验证了在多物体追踪任务中，目标的身份等高级信息也可以获得表征，并且还可以调节追踪进程。
所以，我身为女生，不是美女可以比较侥幸吗~？
[此贴子已经被作者于2012/7/12 11:33:04编辑过]
今天的天气本来就很不好，下得瓢泼大雨不说，好几处都有点flooding，还为了他关了好几条街道，真是扰民。
哈哈哈。 我其实觉得读书这个事情， 真的就是不能太强调了。。。 很多东西还是要多出去， 多实践， 和人打交道。。 人的精力有限， 你读书花太多精力， 其他方面就自然弱了。。
这个我同意。而且有时候课堂上学的东西真的只是应付考试来的，实际上没啥用处。
我们所里刚做了个认知实验:
中国科学院心理研究所傅小兰研究组陈文锋等人采用多面孔追踪任务，首次探究了对面孔吸引力的自动评估对持续的分散注意的影响。研究结果发现人们对漂亮面孔的追踪绩效要高于对不漂亮面孔追踪的绩效。
在多面孔追踪任务中，被试需要追踪多个目标面孔，并在追踪结束后指出这几个或某个特定目标面孔的位置，其中面孔的吸引力是与任务无关的信息。研究结果发现漂亮的目标面孔对追踪绩效有促进作用，并且在控制了面孔情绪效价时这种效应依然存在。不过干扰面孔的吸引力程度则不影响追踪绩效，这说明人们不会对干扰面孔产生自发的吸引力评估。另一个有趣的发现是，女性被试追踪具有吸引力的男性面孔的绩效要高于不具吸引力的男性面孔的绩效，但是在追踪女性面孔时，男女被试的追踪成绩都不会受到面孔吸引力的影响。
因为人们对目标面孔吸引力产生的自发评估的确影响了追踪绩效，研究还从另一个角度验证了在多物体追踪任务中，目标的身份等高级信息也可以获得表征，并且还可以调节追踪进程。
所以，我身为女生，不是美女可以比较侥幸吗~？
[此贴子已经被作者于2012/7/12 11:33:04编辑过]
有意思。不过“漂亮面孔”这个定义是谁定的？追踪者吗？
大多数人念书，不过是为了play safe. 毕竟社会大环境在这儿， 算是保证了入场券。
以下是引用meiyoule在7/12/2012 11:24:00 AM的发言：
哈哈哈。 我其实觉得读书这个事情， 真的就是不能太强调了。。。 很多东西还是要多出去， 多实践， 和人打交道。。 人的精力有限， 你读书花太多精力， 其他方面就自然弱了。。
以下是引用redsilence在7/12/2012 11:33:00 AM的发言：
所以，我身为女生，不是美女可以比较侥幸吗~？
[此贴子已经被作者于2012/7/12 11:33:04编辑过]
我们所里刚做了个认知实验:
中国科学院心理研究所傅小兰研究组陈文锋等人采用多面孔追踪任务，首次探究了对面孔吸引力的自动评估对持续的分散注意的影响。研究结果发现人们对漂亮面孔的追踪绩效要高于对不漂亮面孔追踪的绩效。
在多面孔追踪任务中，被试需要追踪多个目标面孔，并在追踪结束后指出这几个或某个特定目标面孔的位置，其中面孔的吸引力是与任务无关的信息。研究结果发现漂亮的目标面孔对追踪绩效有促进作用，并且在控制了面孔情绪效价时这种效应依然存在。不过干扰面孔的吸引力程度则不影响追踪绩效，这说明人们不会对干扰面孔产生自发的吸引力评估。另一个有趣的发现是，女性被试追踪具有吸引力的男性面孔的绩效要高于不具吸引力的男性面孔的绩效，但是在追踪女性面孔时，男女被试的追踪成绩都不会受到面孔吸引力的影响。
因为人们对目标面孔吸引力产生的自发评估的确影响了追踪绩效，研究还从另一个角度验证了在多物体追踪任务中，目标的身份等高级信息也可以获得表征，并且还可以调节追踪进程。
所以，我身为女生，不是美女可以比较侥幸吗~？
[此贴子已经被作者于2012/7/12 11:33:04编辑过]
生词。
绩效：performance
效价：什么意思？
男性被试追踪男性面孔的绩效呢？
我的理解，看男生注重面孔，看女生注重全方位，包括身材。
[此贴子已经被作者于2012/7/12 12:01:45编辑过]
最近后知后觉地开始看mad men，的确很好看。
说句悲观的，这部电视剧真是印证了all men are dogs这句话。
哈哈，女人呢？
哈哈，女人呢？
只要心里强大，目标明确，努力肯吃苦，一样能混得风生水起。
其实都是说起来容易做起来难大家都知道的p话。。。
生词。
绩效：performance
效价：什么意思？
男性被试追踪男性面孔的绩效呢？
我的理解，看男生注重面孔，看女生注重全方位，包括身材。
[此贴子已经被作者于2012/7/12 12:01:45编辑过]
同疑惑。。 没怎么看明白。。。
生词。
绩效：performance
效价：什么意思？
男性被试追踪男性面孔的绩效呢？
我的理解，看男生注重面孔，看女生注重全方位，包括身材。
[此贴子已经被作者于2012/7/12 12:01:45编辑过]
不知道这个会不会跟被试男性的性取向有关。。。 还是说无论追踪面孔是男是女，男人比较不注重面孔的吸引力?
小没你又宣扬读书无用论了。
同意非要争第一什么的，真没必要。不过适当竞争，是很有好处的。
还有就是，相貌好，也要性格好，才是真好。
要全面发展阿。木桶容量是由最短的那块木板决定的，嘿嘿
不一定。我现在越来越不同意这个populard的说法。这个说法的前提是， 这个桶必须所有的木板都用上， 然后就是这个桶只能箍个圆的（底不晓得是哪儿来的）。 其实这个前提， 仔细琢磨就未必站的猪脚
不一定。我现在越来越不同意这个populard的说法。这个说法的前提是， 这个桶必须所有的木板都用上， 然后就是这个桶只能箍个圆的（底不晓得是哪儿来的）。 其实这个前提， 仔细琢磨就未必站的猪脚
我建议想怎么箍就怎么箍， 把最短的扔掉， 拿最长的那些箍个特别长的容量特别大的桶。。。。吼吼
最短的可以用来逗狗。不要扔，要废物利用。
我觉得追踪女性， 应该把身材放到第一位去看绩效和效价（这两个词不太懂， 猜猜大概可以这么用)... 我觉得最好是看一个Package, 容貌身材我觉得要一起考虑
而且男人看女人，真是不一样啊。电影Good Will Hunting里边的女主，我真不觉得好看，但是will hunting喜欢得不得了，连他哥们儿都说这个女孩out of his league
[此贴子已经被作者于2012/7/12 12:50:32编辑过]
而且男人看女人，真是不一样啊。电影Good Will Hunting里边的女主，我真不觉得好看，但是will hunting喜欢得不得了，连他哥们儿都说这个女孩out of his league
记不得了， 是不是胸大？
最短的可以用来逗狗。不要扔，要废物利用。
http://www.cosmotv.ca/On-TV/All-Shows/Tough-Love-Miami.aspx
youtube上有一些片段。昨天看的节目，是六、七个女的，把自己deal breakers写下来。然后主持人把她们带到一个小剧场。她们坐台上，剧场里坐满了戴着superhero眼罩的男生，起码有六、七十个吧。每到一个女的，主持人先让所有男生站起来，这都是potential candidates。然后每说一条deal breaker，就让不符合的人坐下。最后都没剩几个了。
[此贴子已经被作者于2012/7/12 12:53:44编辑过]
记不得了， 是不是胸大？
哈，好像是的，胸大嘴大，小眼睛高颧骨，红发雀斑。
又跑去看了一下照片，其实挺好看的女孩。我的审美也在改变。
[此贴子已经被作者于2012/7/12 13:02:09编辑过]
最短的可以用来逗狗。不要扔，要废物利用。
上回说到一个拍摄dating过程，发现不自觉的缺点，提高dating intelligence的节目，昨天看到一个类似的，Steven Ward主持的Tough Love Miami：
http://www.cosmotv.ca/On-TV/All-Shows/Tough-Love-Miami.aspx
youtube上有一些片段。昨天看的节目，是六、七个女的，把自己deal breakers写下来。然后主持人把她们带到一个小剧场。她们坐台上，剧场里坐满了戴着superhero眼罩的男生，起码有六、七十个吧。每到一个女的，主持人先让所有男生站起来，这都是potential candidates。然后每说一条deal breaker，就让不符合的人坐下。最后都没剩几个了。
[此贴子已经被作者于2012/7/12 12:53:44编辑过]
哈哈哈， 这个就是以前我说的， filter的时候， 最好filter不要超过3个。。或者可以通过filter in的方式。。。 就是把最吸引自己的写出来， 一个一个吧candidates filter 进来。。。 这个和那个长板短板也是一个思路， 从短板着手还是从长斑着手
我觉得男人对身材的关注远远超过女人的想象。。。。 前段时间不是那啥电影， 那些年我们一起追过的女孩。。我就记得我蓝颜告诉过我的， 那个时候我们高中班男生最心仪的一个女生就是胸最大的那个，。。其实她算是丰满的， 皮白。。。 女孩子要是高中长那个身材，我估摸大部分都会觉得不太好意思的要减肥的。。。
[此贴子已经被作者于2012/7/12 12:50:32编辑过]
这种说法我也听不同的男生说过。
比如我， 男人我最受不了的性格特点就是优柔寡断没有决断力。 身材上我还是有身高要求， 其他的我觉得很多都可以work out..就算猪圈不好也不是不可以慢慢来的。。。 这样我觉得至少还有25-30%能剩下来。。。。吼吼
我好像没神马指标，稀里糊涂的掉坑里了，反正要求不高，觉得还可以，结果走了狗屎运，镶金的猪圈，比家猪强多了。。
我好像没神马指标，稀里糊涂的掉坑里了，反正要求不高，觉得还可以，结果走了狗屎运，镶金的猪圈，比家猪强多了。。
这种说法我也听不同的男生说过。
那个时候我很纯洁的， 觉得我蓝颜这帮男生咋那么流氓。。。。。
我好像没神马指标，稀里糊涂的掉坑里了，反正要求不高，觉得还可以，结果走了狗屎运，镶金的猪圈，比家猪强多了。。
其实偶也是。。。 狗屎运的握手。。。。镶金的猪圈是神马猪圈?
那个tough love miami，也全程拍摄了dating。重放的时候，看到一个女生滔滔不绝地monologue了二十五分钟，汗。讲她的坎坷人生。她的date就不停地出小动作，用手擦汗啊，嘴角往下撇啊，总之都是不耐其烦的动作，人家女生视若无睹。最后分手时说，下次date会more fun。男生找主持人说，为什么要等下次啊？次次都fun才对啊!
说说吧， 有啥坎坷的？ 我觉得每个人的人生都会有这样那样的不堪的过去， 简单提一下就得了。。 比如我现在看BSG, 就觉得我的日子神马的太好了。。。
说说吧， 有啥坎坷的？ 我觉得每个人的人生都会有这样那样的不堪的过去， 简单提一下就得了。。 比如我现在看BSG, 就觉得我的日子神马的太好了。。。
就是的。这个我就没注意听。
就是的。这个我就没注意听。
不过有些人确实比较坎坷， 我也不介意听听的。。 不过这些人其实很多时候反而轻描淡写不去多说的。。。。 最近状态不好， 看书也看不下去啊。。。。 哎。。。。
不过有些人确实比较坎坷， 我也不介意听听的。。 不过这些人其实很多时候反而轻描淡写不去多说的。。。。 最近状态不好， 看书也看不下去啊。。。。 哎。。。。
你等着我上几段摘抄。
其实偶也是。。。 狗屎运的握手。。。。镶金的猪圈是神马猪圈?
说的是我婆婆啊，她真是一个非常美好的人～～让所有她周围的人都如沐春风～～
狡猾的Franklin
Prudent – 谨慎、精明、有远见
I therefore did not like the opposition of this new member, who was a gentleman of fortune and education, with talents that were likely to give him, in time, great influence in the House, which, indeed, afterwards happened. I did not, however, aim at gaining his favour by paying any servile respect to him, but, after some time, took this other method. Having heard that he had in his library a certain very scarce and curious book, I wrote a note to him, expressing my desire of perusing that book, and requesting he would do me the favour of lending it to me for a few days. He sent it immediately, and I return'd it in about a week with another note, expressing strongly my sense of the favour. When we next met in the House, he spoke to me (which he had never done before), and with great civility; and he ever after manifested a readiness to serve me on all occasions, so that we became great friends, and our friendship continued to his death. This is another instance of the truth of an old maxim I had learned, which says, "He that has once done you a kindness will be more ready to do you another, than he whom you yourself have obliged." And it shows how much more profitable it is prudently to remove, than to resent, return, and continue inimical proceedings.
The sight of their miserable situation inspir'd the benevolent heart of Mr. Whitefield with the idea of building an Orphan House there(在Georgia州), in which they might be supported and educated. Returning northward, he preach'd up this charity, and made large collections, for his eloquence had a wonderful power over the hearts and purses of his hearers, of which I myself was an instance.
I did not disapprove of the design, but, as Georgia was then destitute of materials and workmen, and it was proposed to send them from Philadelphia at a great expense, I thought it would have been better to have built the house here, and brought the children to it. This I advis'd; but he was resolute in his first project, rejected my counsel, and I therefore refus'd to contribute. I happened soon after to attend one of his sermons, in the course of which I perceived he intended to finish with a collection, and I silently resolved he should get nothing from me. I had in my pocket a handful of copper money, three or four silver dollars, and five pistols in gold. As he proceeded I began to soften, and concluded to give the coppers. Another stroke of his oratory made me asham'd of that, and determin'd me to give the silver; and he finish'd so admirably, that I empty'd my pocket wholly into the collector's dish, gold and all. At this sermon there was also one of our club, who, being of my sentiments respecting the building in Georgia, and suspecting a collection might be intended, had, by precaution, emptied his pockets before he came from home. Towards the conclusion of the discourse, however, he felt a strong desire to give, and apply'd to a neighbour who stood near him, to borrow some money for the purpose. The application was unfortunately [made] to perhaps the only man in the company who had the firmness not to be affected by the preacher. His answer was, "At any other time, Friend Hopkinson, I would lend to thee freely; but not now, for thee seems to be out of thy right senses."
月书摘抄23，关于合作
the partnership at carolina having succeeded, i was encourag'd to engage in others, and to promote several of my workmen, who had behaved well, by establishing them with printing-houses in different colonies, on the same terms with that in carolina. most of them did well, being enabled at the end of our term, six years, to purchase the types of me and go on working for themselves, by which means several families were raised.
partnerships often finish in quarrels; but i was happy in this, that mine were all carried on and ended amicably, owing, i think, a good deal to the precaution of having very explicitly settled, in our articles, everything to be done by or expected from each partner, so that there was nothing to dispute, which precaution i would therefore recommend to all who enter into partnerships; for, whatever esteem partners may have for, and confidence in each other at the time of the contract, little jealousies and disgusts may arise, with ideas of inequality in the care and burden of the business, etc., which are attended often with breach of friendship and of the connection, perhaps with lawsuits and other disagreeable consequences.
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Quaker就是清教徒吧？是最初欧洲移民的中坚力量。所以委员会里有22个Quaker成员，只有8个非Quaker成员。好像他们的教义是不战，和平。
Indeed I had some cause to believe that the defense of the country was not disagreeable to any of them, provided they were not requir'd to assist in it. And I found that a much greater number of them than I could have imagined, tho' against offensive war, were clearly for the defensive. Many pamphlets pro and con were publish'd on the subject, and some by good Quakers, in favour of defense, which I believe convinc'd most of their younger people.
A transaction in our fire company gave me some insight into their prevailing sentiments. It had been propos'd that we should encourage the scheme for building a battery by laying out the present stock, then about sixty pounds, in tickets of the lottery. By our rules, no money could be dispos'd of till the next meeting after the proposal. The company consisted of thirty members, of which twenty-two were Quakers, and eight only of other persuasions. We eight punctually attended the meeting; but, tho' we thought that some of the Quakers would join us, we were by no means sure of a majority. Only one Quaker, Mr. James Morris, appear'd to oppose the measure. He expressed much sorrow that it had ever been propos'd, as he said Friends were all against it, and it would create such discord as might break up the company. We told him that we saw no reason for that; we were the minority, and if Friends were against the measure, and outvoted us, we must and should, agreeably to the usage of all societies, submit. When the hour for business arriv'd it was mov'd to put the vote; he allow'd we might then do it by the rules, but, as he could assure us that a number of members intended to be present for the purpose of opposing it, it would be but candid to allow a little time for their appearing.
While we were disputing this, a waiter came to tell me two gentlemen below desir'd to speak with me. I went down, and found they were two of our Quaker members. They told me there were eight of them assembled at a tavern just by; that they were determin'd to come and vote with us if there should be occasion, which they hop'd would not be the case, and desir'd we would not call for their assistance if we could do without it, as their voting for such a measure might embroil them with their elders and friends. Being thus secure of a majority, I went up, and after a little seeming hesitation, agreed to a delay of another hour. This Mr. Morris allow'd to be extreamly fair. Not one of his opposing friends appear'd, at which he express'd great surprize; and, at the expiration of the hour, we carri'd the resolution eight to one; and as, of the twenty-two Quakers, eight were ready to vote with us, and thirteen, by their absence, manifested that they were not inclin'd to oppose the measure, I afterward estimated the proportion of Quakers sincerely against defense as one to twenty-one only; for these were all regular members of that society, and in good reputation among them, and had due notice of what was propos'd at that meeting.
My being many years in the Assembly, the majority of which were constantly Quakers, gave me frequent opportunities of seeing the embarrassment given them by their principle against war, whenever application was made to them, by order of the crown, to grant aids for military purposes. They were unwilling to offend government, on the one hand, by a direct refusal; and their friends, the body of the Quakers, on the other, by compliance contrary to their principles; hence a variety of evasions to avoid complying, and modes of disguising the compliance when it became unavoidable. The common mode at last was, to grant money under the phrase of its being "for the king's use," and never to inquire how it was applied.
But, if the demand was not directly from the crown, that phrase was found not so proper, and some other was to be invented. As, when powder was wanting (I think it was for the garrison at Louisburg), and the government of New England solicited a grant of some from Pennsylvania, which was much urg'd on the House by Governor Thomas, they could not grant money to buy powder, because that was an ingredient of war; but they voted an aid to New England of three thousand pounds, to be put into the hands of the governor, and appropriated it for the purchasing of bread, flour, wheat or other grain. Some of the council, desirous of giving the House still further embarrassment, advis'd the governor not to accept provision, as not being the thing he had demanded; but he repli'd, "I shall take the money, for I understand very well their meaning; other grain is gunpowder," which he accordingly bought, and they never objected to it.