开始还每觉得怎么样,越听lzmm的恢复越别扭. 没钱就有理由要别人牺牲? 我有钱买coach没钱买lv,会有nice的人主动高高兴兴补钱给我吗? 还有那么多想回国但没钱买机票的呢. 也许$139 对lz 来说就是 pocket change, 但也许别人为了这一点点舒适还省吃俭用了呢? 凭什么就非心甘情愿拱手相让? nice to have and need to have are two different things.... 还有没钱吃面包白水的人还想牛排海鲜呢. 你遇上了买食物给他们是nice你默默走开也不是 not nice...
the world is not black and white. You can stand on the moral high ground and look down on others.... but you have no right to judge them....
以下是引用Niceshot在5/14/2012 7:38:00 PM的发言:
just think about the poors who don't have the $139 but would like a baby bassinet alright?
i already answered......$50 can get an upgrade in alaska airline demestic.....things are not always measured by money.....so you mean if a kid from a poor family just can't have a bassinet in the first row of the economy class ? [此贴子已经被作者于2012/5/14 19:28:40编辑过]
you mean if a kid from a poor family just can't have a bassinet in the first row of the economy class ?======================我彻底被楼主的逻辑逗乐了
以下是引用Niceshot在5/14/2012 7:38:00 PM的发言: just think about the poors who don't have the $139 but would like a baby bassinet alright? 虽然我大部分同意lz你说的大家应该友爱互让,照顾老人小孩,但是我不同意你说的因为那个人是穷人的小孩我们就必须让他。
以下是引用Niceshot在5/14/2012 7:38:00 PM的发言: just think about the poors who don't have the $139 but would like a baby bassinet alright? 我滴个妈啊,这逻辑真是太强大了,这么有理咋不跟航空公司叽歪去呢。
以下是引用Niceshot在5/14/2012 5:59:00 PM的发言: I think you English is good:)
update: :)
omg...can't believe i got so many replies ...hahahah it's the woman's world anyways.......fyi, i didn't read much of the replies so forgive me if i ignored something :)
Okay i think it's necessary to get some of my thoughts clarified.
1) I never personally asked anyone to give his/her high-fare seat to me; I dont know why people later concluded i personally think people should give their seats to me.
2) I never take people's help for granted . I never said anything like "the entire world owes me because i have a kid". Again, this charge on me is ungrounded. I meant when people need help, it's nice to sacrifice a little comfort to help those in need.
3) The point is that many first row seats in international flight do not require additional fare and it's nice to leave the seats to those who need baby bassinets.
4) people have emergency and it's not always the case that they are irresponsible parents just because they didn't get their kids good seats ...There are many reasons why people didn't get the good seats beforehand. When those who travel with young kids, it's NICE to offer help to them. Saying this does NOT mean i personally asked for UNREASONABLE help and does NOT mean I feel the entire world owes me anything......This conclusion simply comes from nowhere.
5) having said all these, I admit that it's understandable if you dont want to give away your high-fare seats. however again, it's nice to sacrifice some of our comfort to offer help.
6) To those who criticized my English, I appreciate it but be specific if you wanna be convincing. And just so you know, to those who had issues on me typing English, its up to me to type english or chinese. of course, it's up to you to criticize me or not~~~
The point is that many first row seats in international flight do not require additional fare and it's nice to leave the seats to those who need baby bassinets.
以下是引用Destiny在5/15/2012 3:07:00 PM的发言: The point is that many first row seats in international flight do not require additional fare and it's nice to leave the seats to those who need baby bassinets.
The point is that many first row seats in international flight do not require additional fare and it's nice to leave the seats to those who need baby bassinets.
omg...can't believe i got so many replies ...hahahah it's the woman's world anyways.......fyi, i didn't read much of the replies so forgive me if i ignored something :)
Okay i think it's necessary to get some of my thoughts clarified.
1) I never personally asked anyone to give his/her high-fare seat to me; I dont know why people later concluded i personally think people should give their seats to me.
2) I never take people's help for granted . I never said anything like "the entire world owes me because i have a kid". Again, this charge on me is ungrounded. I meant when people need help, it's nice to sacrifice a little comfort to help those in need.
3) The point is that many first row seats in international flight do not require additional fare and it's nice to leave the seats to those who need baby bassinets.
4) people have emergency and it's not always the case that they are irresponsible parents just because they didn't get their kids good seats ...There are many reasons why people didn't get the good seats beforehand. When those who travel with young kids, it's NICE to offer help to them. Saying this does NOT mean i personally asked for UNREASONABLE help and does NOT mean I feel the entire world owes me anything......This conclusion simply comes from nowhere.
5) having said all these, I admit that it's understandable if you dont want to give away your high-fare seats. however again, it's nice to sacrifice some of our comfort to offer help.
6) To those who criticized my English, I appreciate it but be specific if you wanna be convincing. And just so you know, to those who had issues on me typing English, its up to me to type english or chinese. of course, it's up to you to criticize me or not~~~
以下是引用Niceshot在5/14/2012 5:59:00 PM的发言: 2) I never take people's help for granted . I never said anything like "the entire world owes me because i have a kid". Again, this charge on me is ungrounded. I meant when people need help, it's nice to sacrifice a little comfort to help those in need.
Really? Emm...the points were made clear enough way before the so called "clarified" update. Someone chose to be blind and I do not think I could help with that part. "装B"is actually quite suitable in this situation and I don't think that's personal attack coz I am also "装Bing" right now by typing the nonsense above... LOL
以下是引用Niceshot在5/15/2012 3:14:00 PM的发言:
your reply proves one thing -when one got no point, one had nothing left but personal attack :)
以下是引用hingdu在5/15/2012 3:36:00 PM的发言: Really? Emm...the points were made clear enough way before the so called "clarified" update. Someone chose to be blind and I do not think I could help with that part. "装B"is actually quite suitable in this situation and I don't think that's personal attack coz I am also "装Bing" right now by typing the nonsense above... LOL
以下是引用Niceshot在5/14/2012 6:35:00 PM的发言: you should say 要是带娃的妈事前没做好准备上飞机才发现没在一起, they should upgrade themselves to first class.....no hassles at all 太偏激了
以下是引用Niceshot在5/15/2012 3:11:00 PM的发言: hainan maybe delta, i meant international flights..everyone i'm logging off again will check again later :))
[此贴子已经被作者于2012/5/15 15:12:34编辑过] FYI: Delta's US-Asia international flight aircraft/seat configuration:
Boeing 767: bulkhead seat (row 16/17): economy comfort
Boeing 777-200ER, 777-200LR: bulkhead seat (row 31): economy comfort; bulkhead seat (row 44): preferred seats (Anytime: no additional cost for Y/B fares, During check-in: with fee for non-Y/B fares)
Boeing 747-400: bulkhead seat (row 22): economy comfort; bulkhead seat (row 35 and row 51): preferred seats
以下是引用Niceshot在5/14/2012 7:44:00 PM的发言: i dont know if you can ask for refund from the airline if you give your seat to someone who needs bassinet.....guess you never carried a baby with you on the plane.......then i understand 我笑了, 哈哈哈哈哈哈哈
pat pat ,别生气了.这个世界上有好人也就有坏人,有善良的人也就有刻薄的人. lz没有必要要求别人非得和你自己一样善良,连菩萨都做不到感化所有的人,何况你我?<br> 但是,无论那些人如何振振有词说着他们的道理,也改变不了他们自私的本质.按照他们的理论,何必要在公车上给老人小孩孕妇让座呢?谁让他们不出钱去打的呢?也没有必要去看望孤儿院的孩子或者养老院的老人,谁叫他们的父母或者子女都不关心他们,凭什么要别人来关心他们呢?只顾自己的利益,只顾自己的享受和快乐,即使没有伤害到别人的利益,也是一种自私.我不知道其他的id怎么想,生活中我是不会结交那样的朋友的.
pat pat ,别生气了.这个世界上有好人也就有坏人,有善良的人也就有刻薄的人. lz没有必要要求别人非得和你自己一样善良,连菩萨都做不到感化所有的人,何况你我?<br> 但是,无论那些人如何振振有词说着他们的道理,也改变不了他们自私的本质.按照他们的理论,何必要在公车上给老人小孩孕妇让座呢?谁让他们不出钱去打的呢?也没有必要去看望孤儿院的孩子或者养老院的老人,谁叫他们的父母或者子女都不关心他们,凭什么要别人来关心他们呢?只顾自己的利益,只顾自己的享受和快乐,即使没有伤害到别人的利益,也是一种自私.我不知道其他的id怎么想,生活中我是不会结交那样的朋友的.
以下是引用flyorange在5/15/2012 4:18:00 PM的发言: pat pat ,别生气了.这个世界上有好人也就有坏人,有善良的人也就有刻薄的人. lz没有必要要求别人非得和你自己一样善良,连菩萨都做不到感化所有的人,何况你我?<br> 但是,无论那些人如何振振有词说着他们的道理,也改变不了他们自私的本质.按照他们的理论,何必要在公车上给老人小孩孕妇让座呢?谁让他们不出钱去打的呢?也没有必要去看望孤儿院的孩子或者养老院的老人,谁叫他们的父母或者子女都不关心他们,凭什么要别人来关心他们呢?只顾自己的利益,只顾自己的享受和快乐,即使没有伤害到别人的利益,也是一种自私.我不知道其他的id怎么想,生活中我是不会结交那样的朋友的.
以下是引用Niceshot在5/14/2012 5:59:00 PM的发言: 2) I never take people's help for granted . I never said anything like "the entire world owes me because i have a kid". Again, this charge on me is ungrounded. I meant when people need help, it's nice to sacrifice a little comfort to help those in need.
maybe people should try to help themselves first before seeking help from others...
the world is not black and white. You can stand on the moral high ground and look down on others.... but you have no right to judge them....
以下是引用Niceshot在5/14/2012 7:38:00 PM的发言:
just think about the poors who don't have the $139 but would like a baby bassinet alright?
以下是引用shuangzi在5/14/2012 6:10:00 PM的发言:
我也赞成对有孩子老人的照顾一点,但要看人。态度诚恳,感激不尽的很乐意换。觉得理所当然,不换不行的,我偏不换。
我的原则是,如果别人真的有难处,我尽量满足,哪怕自己坐得不舒服一些,也无所谓。但是请不要把别人的favor当作应该的。享受了别人的nice还觉得理所当然,你让位于我就是应该的,因为我是老人、孕妇、带小孩的妈妈等等,你就应该让给我,不让就是你自私道德败坏。如果碰到这样的人,对不起,请让我做一回自私的人吧。
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i already answered......$50 can get an upgrade in alaska airline demestic.....things are not always measured by money.....so you mean if a kid from a poor family just can't have a bassinet in the first row of the economy class ?
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you mean if a kid from a poor family just can't have a bassinet in the first row of the economy class ?======================我彻底被楼主的逻辑逗乐了
just think about the poors who don't have the $139 but would like a baby bassinet alright?
虽然我大部分同意lz你说的大家应该友爱互让,照顾老人小孩,但是我不同意你说的因为那个人是穷人的小孩我们就必须让他。
穷人的小孩想做很多事,想吃山珍海味,想上哈佛耶鲁,是不是我们也得白送给他们?
你可以说这个世界不公平,但是别人的善意是一个gift,而不是欠你的。
just think about the poors who don't have the $139 but would like a baby bassinet alright?
没钱升级到第一排,就把孩子抱在手里啊。你的逻辑就是没钱花就能管有钱人要钱花,有钱人不给你钱就是他们不nice。
多大的事儿啊,还讨论。
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喝点酒就好了,没等飞机起飞就昏死过去了,我现在知道为啥那些上了飞机就要两瓶5刀小酒的了
作为一个喝不醉的人我痛苦啊
you mean if a kid from a poor family just can't have a bassinet in the first row of the economy class ?======================我彻底被楼主的逻辑逗乐了
要么lz逻辑不好,要么lz英语不好,表达不对。
开始还每觉得怎么样,越听lzmm的恢复越别扭. 没钱就有理由要别人牺牲? 我有钱买coach没钱买lv,会有nice的人主动高高兴兴补钱给我吗? 还有那么多想回国但没钱买机票的呢. 也许$139 对lz 来说就是 pocket change, 但也许别人为了这一点点舒适还省吃俭用了呢? 凭什么就非......
just think about the poors who don't have the $139 but would like a baby bassinet alright?
我滴个妈啊,这逻辑真是太强大了,这么有理咋不跟航空公司叽歪去呢。
我是看到前面那个高楼贴改变主意的。。以后自己舒服得了。
本来我是个很好说话的人,飞机上如果有人带小孩有需要我会答应,看完这个贴改主意了,原来这么多人是觉得给带小孩的让座位应该的,给换座位她们心里也觉得理所当然,我还是不要委屈自己满足别人得理所当然。
re.
赞lz逻辑强大,英语强大
lz是不是在这里练英语对话哪?以前见过有的国人,什么时候都说英语,不怕说错,为了多练。我还挺佩服这样的人,不怕出错。
但如果碰到带小孩的,对不起,我不原意换,尤其是带小小孩的,说不好听的,孩子这么小干吗要带着孩子飞来飞去的呢?你自己又没办法handle这个小小孩,出来处处还得让大家让着你给你方便,为什么不能把孩子留家里等大一点再带出来呢?小小孩真的很annoying。
要拍就拍,反正我就是这个原则
that's the point of mine "nice or not nice"
Form what you say, yourself seems not nice at all.
那你就订最前面一排嘛,人坐最前面一排的也不是白来的,不是多花了钱的就是提早准备的。说句不好听的,跟你换是人nice,不跟你换也无所
Re. Don't take other's kindness for granted.
我是赞成对老人,孩子多照顾一点的!
上次回国亲眼见一位老华侨,把经济舱第1排靠走廊的位子让给带小孩的妈妈,他自己换到这位妈妈靠窗的位子了,这种人才是心胸宽广的人!
虽然我大部分同意lz你说的大家应该友爱互让,照顾老人小孩,但是我不同意你说的因为那个人是穷人的小孩我们就必须让他。
穷人的小孩想做很多事,想吃山珍海味,想上哈佛耶鲁,是不是我们也得白送给他们?
你可以说这个世界不公平,但是别人的善意是一个gift,而不是欠你的。
re,我纯粹进来膜拜lz强大的逻辑,我穷所以你们都得照顾我,要不然你们就是为富不仁,你们都not nice。。。
我蜜月飞机上想跟一个坐走道位置的男人换,就是请他换到同一排也是靠走道的位子,横向平移举例不超过3米,也不存在挪箱子的问题,结果被拒绝了。。。鉴于我也是成年人,不过是想跟新婚老公坐,所以我也不能说啥不是。
有年回国一个人飞,坐前排leg room大的位置,被空姐问可不可以换到后面去,因为那个人需要用电源插座,我很包子的就同意了,过去之后leg room小还不说了,我面前的椅背上竟然粘着一块刚嚼过的口香糖。。。显然是那人给我留下的礼物。。。空姐给我找了把餐刀刮那个恶心东西,我旁边的男的很为我不平,还说:哟,空姐给乘客递刀子也挺神的哈!
以下是引用Niceshot在5/14/2012 5:59:00 PM的发言:
btw, i dontmean the original lz's post... i meant the later posts and the whole thread.....
我是很少很少发帖子,尤其使这种有些judgemental的。 看了这个帖子实在忍不住了, 第一排和后面的座位可能是 有些区别, 有时候牺牲一点自己小小的不舒服,和老人,孩子行个方便,有必要这么jjww么?
刚刚看来titanic3d, 如果照那个帖子中有些人的逻辑,男人都可以抢着上船了, 为什么在自己生命受到威胁的情况下,非得让女人和小孩先上船呢? 人家这一让可不是一个leg room的问题,可是生命的问题。
尤其看到有一个妈妈说自己和3岁小孩票在两排,然后没有一个人换位子,简直是outragous...
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晕,黄的...
谢谢科普。
归根结底就是智力不好
笑死了,人家还觉得自己可nice呢
也得看多大的孩子吧。上次从国内回来,一个40出头长得好像刘亦非她妈的漂亮妈妈,带个至少17,8的帅哥儿子,这个儿子就挨排儿跟人说,我和我妈妈没能坐一起,能不能请你们跟我换,什么的。我觉得这么大儿子还非要跟妈坐本身就挺神奇的没,这种情况有人不乐意为他们挪地方应该不算没公德哈。
我蜜月飞机上想跟一个坐走道位置的男人换,就是请他换到同一排也是靠走道的位子,横向平移举例不超过3米,也不存在挪箱子的问题,结果被拒绝了。。。鉴于我也是成年人,不过是想跟新婚老公坐,所以我也不能说啥不是。
有年回国一个人飞,坐前排leg room大的位置,被空姐问可不可以换到后面去,因为那个人需要用电源插座,我很包子的就同意了,过去之后leg room小还不说了,我面前的椅背上竟然粘着一块刚嚼过的口香糖。。。显然是那人给我留下的礼物。。。空姐给我找了把餐刀刮那个恶心东西,我旁边的男的很为我不平,还说:哟,空姐给乘客递刀子也挺神的哈!
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你至少换座位的时候可以要求下返还leg room的surcharge
不是所有人都这么负责任心疼自己孩子的,但是对外的时候,他们倒是觉得所有人都应该心疼他们。
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弱弱的说,要是带娃的妈事前没做好准备上飞机才发现没在一起,悬赏200块换位子,肯定人抢着换
我有次坐飞机 一个女的带女儿 结果女儿被upgrade到商务仓了 那个女的旁边一个男的马上说自己不介意换到商务仓 让她们母女在一起
我有次坐飞机 一个女的带女儿 结果女儿被upgrade到商务仓了 那个女的旁边一个男的马上说自己不介意换到商务仓 让她们母女在一起
要俺,俺也不介意的...帮忙是应该的...
就是不知道那个妈愿不愿意
要俺,俺也不介意的...帮忙是应该的...
就是不知道那个妈愿不愿意
飞机贴怎么这么火啊
有人很早计划选到好的坐位同意换是仁义不同意换无可非议啊。
坐飞机本来就是很难受的事,不能牺牲别人的舒适换取自己的舒适吧?。。。
如果老人小孩优先,那航空公司干脆把头等仓都免费给小孩老人算了。。。
我和lg带孩子回国的时候,lg站着腾出位置来让孩子睡两个座位,加起来站了6个多小时吧
这个也不安全吧, 要是遇上个乱流之类的, 飞机上经常亮灯让人扣安全带。
I think you English is good:)
update: :)
omg...can't believe i got so many replies ...hahahah it's the woman's world anyways.......fyi, i didn't read much of the replies so forgive me if i ignored something :)
Okay i think it's necessary to get some of my thoughts clarified.
1) I never personally asked anyone to give his/her high-fare seat to me; I dont know why people later concluded i personally think people should give their seats to me.
2) I never take people's help for granted . I never said anything like "the entire world owes me because i have a kid". Again, this charge on me is ungrounded. I meant when people need help, it's nice to sacrifice a little comfort to help those in need.
3) The point is that many first row seats in international flight do not require additional fare and it's nice to leave the seats to those who need baby bassinets.
4) people have emergency and it's not always the case that they are irresponsible parents just because they didn't get their kids good seats ...There are many reasons why people didn't get the good seats beforehand. When those who travel with young kids, it's NICE to offer help to them. Saying this does NOT mean i personally asked for UNREASONABLE help and does NOT mean I feel the entire world owes me anything......This conclusion simply comes from nowhere.
5) having said all these, I admit that it's understandable if you dont want to give away your high-fare seats. however again, it's nice to sacrifice some of our comfort to offer help.
6) To those who criticized my English, I appreciate it but be specific if you wanna be convincing. And just so you know, to those who had issues on me typing English, its up to me to type english or chinese. of course, it's up to you to criticize me or not~~~
---Have a nice day everyone and happy reading~~~~
我是很少很少发帖子,尤其使这种有些judgemental的。 看了这个帖子实在忍不住了, 第一排和后面的座位可能是 有些区别, 有时候牺牲一点自己小小的不舒服,和老人,孩子行个方便,有必要这么jjww么?
刚刚看来titanic3d, 如果照那个帖子中有些人的逻辑,男人都可以抢着上船了, 为什么在自己生命受到威胁的情况下,非得让女人和小孩先上船呢? 人家这一让可不是一个leg room的问题,可是生命的问题。
尤其看到有一个妈妈说自己和3岁小孩票在两排,然后没有一个人换位子,简直是outragous...
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我能说我看首页英文都要看哭了吗?
你不要一看到单词就用英语思维,她这个是很原汁的中式,你换中式思维会好点。
80,90,果然是自私的一代
require additional fare and it's nice to leave the seats to those who
need baby bassinets.
LZ如果想有说服力的话,列举一下第一排座位不加钱的航空公司(特别是国际航班),这样也方便以后带小孩儿的妈妈们订票。从这几天的飞机让座贴里,大部分回帖都提到第一排座位要加钱,提到的航空公司有UA,CO(这个我自己订过,确实要加钱)。光空口说是一点意义也没有,也帮不到任何人的。
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要俺,俺也不介意的...帮忙是应该的...
就是不知道那个妈愿不愿意
那个妈好像没啥不愿意的 其实本来换座位就是先应该把好座位拿出来换的
The point is that many first row seats in international flight do not require additional fare and it's nice to leave the seats to those who need baby bassinets.
LZ如果想有说服力的话,列举一下第一排座位不加钱的航空公司(特别是国际航班)。从这几天的飞机让座贴里,大部分回帖都提到第一排座位要加钱,提到的航空公司有UA,CO(这个我自己订过,确实要加钱)。
国泰也要加钱了, 现在国际航线第一排没有不要加钱的了吧
我能说我看首页英文都要看哭了吗?
还好, 还好, 俺都看懂了, 哈哈哈
The point is that many first row seats in international flight do not
require additional fare and it's nice to leave the seats to those who
need baby bassinets.
LZ如果想有说服力的话,列举一下第一排座位不加钱的航空公司(特别是国际航班),这样也方便以后带小孩儿的妈妈们订票。从这几天的飞机让座贴里,大部分回帖都提到第一排座位要加钱,提到的航空公司有UA,CO(这个我自己订过,确实要加钱)。光空口说是一点意义也没有,也帮不到任何人的。
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hainan maybe delta, i meant international flights..everyone i'm logging off again will check again later :))
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这楼主真作,那个英文更新看不下去,真心难受。我跟美国人讲英文,中国人就讲中文,最烦有人装B。昨天就说弃坑的人,到现在还一直不依不饶地回复,有贴必回有仇必报,伪圣母都装不下去,好人个P,还在这里给别人指点江山。。。
your reply proves one thing -when one got no point, one had nothing left but personal attack :)
也得看多大的孩子吧。上次从国内回来,一个40出头长得好像刘亦非她妈的漂亮妈妈,带个至少17,8的帅哥儿子,这个儿子就挨排儿跟人说,我和我妈妈没能坐一起,能不能请你们跟我换,什么的。我觉得这么大儿子还非要跟妈坐本身就挺神奇的没,这种情况有人不乐意为他们挪地方应该不算没公德哈。
我蜜月飞机上想跟一个坐走道位置的男人换,就是请他换到同一排也是靠走道的位子,横向平移举例不超过3米,也不存在挪箱子的问题,结果被拒绝了。。。鉴于我也是成年人,不过是想跟新婚老公坐,所以我也不能说啥不是。
有年回国一个人飞,坐前排leg room大的位置,被空姐问可不可以换到后面去,因为那个人需要用电源插座,我很包子的就同意了,过去之后leg room小还不说了,我面前的椅背上竟然粘着一块刚嚼过的口香糖。。。显然是那人给我留下的礼物。。。空姐给我找了把餐刀刮那个恶心东西,我旁边的男的很为我不平,还说:哟,空姐给乘客递刀子也挺神的哈!
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我见过空姐过来要求换座位,然后乘客就站起来看了看被要求换的座位,然后拒绝的。
我也见过空姐过来挨个问了一片大概10个座位的人,因为某个座位的人对花生过敏,所以这一片座位的人都不能拿到花生当snack,如果有意见可以换座位,最后没人换座位也没人吃花生的。
长途飞机换座位原本就是extra service的事情,不乐意换也不能说别人不nice。带小孩的,年纪大的,订到了自己想要的位置的时候,肯跟别人换座位吗?
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不好意思LZ,你说的Delta 要extra leg room的话,国际航线也要加钱的。这个是相关网页
http://www.delta.com/traveling_checkin/inflight_services/economy_class/economy_comfort.jsp
update: :)
omg...can't believe i got so many replies ...hahahah it's the woman's world anyways.......fyi, i didn't read much of the replies so forgive me if i ignored something :)
Okay i think it's necessary to get some of my thoughts clarified.
1) I never personally asked anyone to give his/her high-fare seat to me; I dont know why people later concluded i personally think people should give their seats to me.
2) I never take people's help for granted . I never said anything like "the entire world owes me because i have a kid". Again, this charge on me is ungrounded. I meant when people need help, it's nice to sacrifice a little comfort to help those in need.
3) The point is that many first row seats in international flight do not require additional fare and it's nice to leave the seats to those who need baby bassinets.
4) people have emergency and it's not always the case that they are irresponsible parents just because they didn't get their kids good seats ...There are many reasons why people didn't get the good seats beforehand. When those who travel with young kids, it's NICE to offer help to them. Saying this does NOT mean i personally asked for UNREASONABLE help and does NOT mean I feel the entire world owes me anything......This conclusion simply comes from nowhere.
5) having said all these, I admit that it's understandable if you dont want to give away your high-fare seats. however again, it's nice to sacrifice some of our comfort to offer help.
6) To those who criticized my English, I appreciate it but be specific if you wanna be convincing. And just so you know, to those who had issues on me typing English, its up to me to type english or chinese. of course, it's up to you to criticize me or not~~~
---Have a nice day everyone and happy reading~~~~
我是很少很少发帖子,尤其使这种有些judgemental的。 看了这个帖子实在忍不住了, 第一排和后面的座位可能是 有些区别, 有时候牺牲一点自己小小的不舒服,和老人,孩子行个方便,有必要这么jjww么?
刚刚看来titanic3d, 如果照那个帖子中有些人的逻辑,男人都可以抢着上船了, 为什么在自己生命受到威胁的情况下,非得让女人和小孩先上船呢? 人家这一让可不是一个leg room的问题,可是生命的问题。
尤其看到有一个妈妈说自己和3岁小孩票在两排,然后没有一个人换位子,简直是outragous...
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我就是想知道outragous神马意思,查不到……
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出离愤恨?
以下是引用bluekite在5/15/2012 3:06:00 PM的发言:
靠,这个世界肿么了
80,90,果然是自私的一代
哇塞。lz还有charge。还是ungrounded。原来lz是带电的。。。
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好座位当然要加钱啦。基本上订票的时候就可以选啦。我在登机的时候升舱一般都有位置呢,没有的时候很少。我就搞不明白了,自己提前做好了很难嘛
以下是引用Destiny在5/15/2012 3:17:00 PM的发言:
海南航空也有直飞中美的航线吗?
不好意思LZ,你说的Delta 要extra leg room的话,国际航线也要加钱的。这个是相关网页
http://www.delta.com/traveling_checkin/inflight_services/economy_class/economy_comfort.jsp
我刚才闲着无聊搜了这么一个id的帖子,举手之劳都不愿帮邻居呢。。。。
以下是引用hingdu在5/15/2012 3:19:00 PM的发言:
你是说你是70还是60后?我没觉得回帖的人比lz更道德低下,你看贴了吗?这里说要将心比心的人都是考虑过自己被别人帮助的情况下会怎么做。觉得将心比心的人自私的人,大概只考虑自己利益,当然希望对方无私无底线帮助。那到底是谁更自私??你最好举出你自己的雷锋往事给我们80,90开开眼。
我也赞成对有孩子老人的照顾一点,但要看人。态度诚恳,感激不尽的很乐意换。觉得理所当然,不换不行的,我偏不换。
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以下是引用zongguanxian在5/15/2012 3:23:00 PM的发言:
别较真啦,我的研究假设是这些希望别人无条件让座的基本上平时不会主动帮助别人
我刚才闲着无聊搜了这么一个id的帖子,举手之劳都不愿帮邻居呢。。。。
lz你举例说说你生活中怎么牺牲100-200帮助陌生人吧。大家学习一下,看看有没有机会提高
以下是引用Niceshot在5/15/2012 3:24:00 PM的发言:
thanks dear :)
以下是引用天霁寒尘在5/15/2012 3:25:00 PM的发言:
看英文贴子真心痛苦啊。华人应该专门开个英文版让我们多接受磨练。。
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2) I never take people's help for granted . I never said anything like "the entire world owes me because i have a kid". Again, this charge on me is ungrounded. I meant when people need help, it's nice to sacrifice a little comfort to help those in need.
你要是觉得十几个小时不舒服算"a little"那是你的事,你给人家换不就完了呗,大家标准不一样,对于有的人来说,这一点都不little,人家不愿意换就怎么了?而且LZ我觉得你每次早点订票,多花点钱订票,早几个小时去机场排座位都是小菜一碟,我觉得你就应该每次坐飞机都这么先把好位置给订了,然后一上飞机就换给别人。
别较真啦,我的研究假设是这些希望别人无条件让座的基本上平时不会主动帮助别人
我刚才闲着无聊搜了这么一个id的帖子,举手之劳都不愿帮邻居呢。。。。
are you talking about me as the ID who doesn't help her neighbor? i'm confused. can you show me where?
您是一位善良的姑娘。正在看心术。戏里有一句话和我妈妈教育我的一样:给人方便也是方便自己。
以下是引用valxintian在5/15/2012 3:33:00 PM的发言:
are you talking about me as the ID who doesn't help her neighbor? i'm confused. can you show me where?
看英文贴子真心痛苦啊。华人应该专门开个英文版让我们多接受磨练。。
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sorry la....thanks for reading :)
以下是引用Niceshot在5/15/2012 3:14:00 PM的发言:
your reply proves one thing -when one got no point, one had nothing left but personal attack :)
以下是引用valxintian在5/15/2012 3:33:00 PM 的发言:
are you talking about me as the ID who doesn't help her neighbor? i'm confused. can you show me where?
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最近类似大坑多了,我就顺手捡了一个id搜了下,讲实话我都不知道是谁!
不过大家都这么热情,我表示考虑继续搜
以下是引用天霁寒尘在5/15/2012 3:37:00 PM的发言:
我猜不是说你吧。。是不是那个批判80、90后的?
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Really? Emm...the points were made clear enough way before the so called "clarified" update. Someone chose to be blind and I do not think I could help with that part. "装B"is actually quite suitable in this situation and I don't think that's personal attack coz I am also "装Bing" right now by typing the nonsense above... LOL
哈哈哈哈,你太坏啦。不过我支持你。
以下是引用zongguanxian在5/15/2012 3:38:00 PM的发言:
其实也不是
最近类似大坑多了,我就顺手捡了一个id搜了下,讲实话我都不知道是谁!
不过大家都这么热情,我表示考虑继续搜
以下是引用hingdu在5/15/2012 3:40:00 PM的发言:
哈,支持你搜。看看圣母们是真雷锋不
以下是引用hingdu在5/15/2012 3:40:00 PM 的发言:
哈,支持你搜。看看圣母们是真雷锋不
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are you talking about me as the ID who doesn't help her neighbor? i'm confused. can you show me where?
lz大衣?
you should say 要是带娃的妈事前没做好准备上飞机才发现没在一起, they should upgrade themselves to first class.....no hassles at all
太偏激了
哇,真会想,那你这个'穷人'妈妈有没有替根本连飞机都坐不起的更穷的妈妈,带这着几个月的孩子坐一天一夜的灰狗想过呢? 我有139块钱,干嘛不捐给连饭都吃不上的非洲儿童? 你坐着飞机吹着空调,真的没有139块? 无非不就是小气加自私吗?
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这么说那些坐first class岂不是为富不仁,统统要和经济仓坐位不好的人换么?
以下是引用vivien0612在5/15/2012 3:39:00 PM的发言:
哈哈哈哈,你太坏啦。不过我支持你。
飞机贴怎么这么火啊
MM,我太爱你的头像了
木哈哈,装B也不容易,还要键盘中英切换,大脑频率切换。我将心比心,lz需要给个劳模奖
既然没问题, 以后lz每次都加钱买第一排,然后看到带孩子的,立刻titanic精神,换给别人呗。。。
我就是表达这么个意思,谁没个私心啥的...
俺辛辛苦苦选了个好位子,来一个抱娃的,俺就要让, 俺自认没这个肚量。
一样的,抱娃的为了选个好位子,让妈拿200块出来悬赏,她愿意不?要是不愿意的话,不也是有点私心么
re 这个。 抱娃也没有必要非坐好位子吧。
hainan maybe delta, i meant international flights..everyone i'm logging off again will check again later :))
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FYI: Delta's US-Asia international flight aircraft/seat configuration:
Boeing 767: bulkhead seat (row 16/17): economy comfort
Boeing 777-200ER, 777-200LR: bulkhead seat (row 31): economy comfort; bulkhead seat (row 44): preferred seats (Anytime: no additional cost for Y/B fares, During check-in: with fee for non-Y/B fares)
Boeing 747-400: bulkhead seat (row 22): economy comfort; bulkhead seat (row 35 and row 51): preferred seats
Airbus 330-300: bulkhead seat (row 10): economy comfort, bulkhead seat (row 29): preferred seats
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sorry la....thanks for reading :)
hahaha, lz 大衣暴露了........
have you heard of "emergency"? sometimes when you book the flight, no many seats left already........
then suck it up!!!!!!!! 让别人为自己的emergency埋单,强盗啊
LZ真逗。。。
既然没问题, 以后lz每次都加钱买第一排,然后看到带孩子的,立刻titanic精神,换给别人呗。。。
i dont know if you can ask for refund from the airline if you give your seat to someone who needs bassinet.....guess you never carried a baby with you on the plane.......then i understand
我笑了, 哈哈哈哈哈哈哈
但是,无论那些人如何振振有词说着他们的道理,也改变不了他们自私的本质.按照他们的理论,何必要在公车上给老人小孩孕妇让座呢?谁让他们不出钱去打的呢?也没有必要去看望孤儿院的孩子或者养老院的老人,谁叫他们的父母或者子女都不关心他们,凭什么要别人来关心他们呢?只顾自己的利益,只顾自己的享受和快乐,即使没有伤害到别人的利益,也是一种自私.我不知道其他的id怎么想,生活中我是不会结交那样的朋友的.
pat pat ,别生气了.这个世界上有好人也就有坏人,有善良的人也就有刻薄的人. lz没有必要要求别人非得和你自己一样善良,连菩萨都做不到感化所有的人,何况你我?<br>
但是,无论那些人如何振振有词说着他们的道理,也改变不了他们自私的本质.按照他们的理论,何必要在公车上给老人小孩孕妇让座呢?谁让他们不出钱去打的呢?也没有必要去看望孤儿院的孩子或者养老院的老人,谁叫他们的父母或者子女都不关心他们,凭什么要别人来关心他们呢?只顾自己的利益,只顾自己的享受和快乐,即使没有伤害到别人的利益,也是一种自私.我不知道其他的id怎么想,生活中我是不会结交那样的朋友的.
俺只想问问,嫩爬楼了么?
pat pat ,别生气了.这个世界上有好人也就有坏人,有善良的人也就有刻薄的人. lz没有必要要求别人非得和你自己一样善良,连菩萨都做不到感化所有的人,何况你我?<br>
但是,无论那些人如何振振有词说着他们的道理,也改变不了他们自私的本质.按照他们的理论,何必要在公车上给老人小孩孕妇让座呢?谁让他们不出钱去打的呢?也没有必要去看望孤儿院的孩子或者养老院的老人,谁叫他们的父母或者子女都不关心他们,凭什么要别人来关心他们呢?只顾自己的利益,只顾自己的享受和快乐,即使没有伤害到别人的利益,也是一种自私.我不知道其他的id怎么想,生活中我是不会结交那样的朋友的.
那伤害到别人的利益呢?
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2) I never take people's help for granted . I never said anything like "the entire world owes me because i have a kid". Again, this charge on me is ungrounded. I meant when people need help, it's nice to sacrifice a little comfort to help those in need.
maybe people should try to help themselves first before seeking help from others...
hahaha, lz 大衣暴露了........
oops..... i'm so scared now....hahahah