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文学城综合报道,上周四,一名在Facebook全职工作的华人在facebook总部跳楼自杀,年仅38岁,让人痛心和惋惜

此后的一周时间里,网上流传一则前Google /前Facebook TechLead揭露了最近Facebook员工的自杀故事和内部细节的视频,作者在视频中声明:

我本来不打算讲这个故事,但是员工要求我这样做,因为他们被领导层“消音”了,并担心职业报复。 我在这里做这个视频的目的不是指责或过度猜测,而是以要求答案的方式提出问题-为了陈勤的朋友,家人和技术人员。 请分享此视频,以帮助提高认识,并向Facebook施加压力,要求其正确解决这个问题。

  案发时间:Sep. 19, 2019 11:30分 ,911接到电话

  地点:100 block of Jefferson Drive, the City of Menlo Park

  事件经过,19日,本周四11点30分左右,脸书硅谷总部,华人员工从四楼坠地死亡,姓名陈勤(Qin Chen)译音。

  死者跳楼的地点,是脸书总部的杰佛逊街(Jefferson Dr.)162号的“MPK 27”大楼。

  据悉死者38岁,是一在脸书工作的全职员工,来自中国,1999级浙江大学毕业生,南加大硕士。

  据悉陈勤,只写了花两年,在USC读了个CS硕士(5 EE课,5 CS 课,然后5 个 CS project). 毕业后开始两年一跳,直到到了facebook,在Facebook呆了1年8个月,非常聪明和优秀。

  警方表示,事发19日上午11时30分,警方在接到电话抵达现场时,死者已经没有了反应,送到医院后证实已经死亡。

  警方初步调杳显示,死者是自杀,没有任何证据显示,是他杀;关于这方面,警方和法医都没有进一步消息。

  法医也还没有说,真正死因是什么。

  也有传闻与上司不合,让其调离其工作组,总之无论如何都不是轻生的理由。

  去年6月17日,也曾发生了一名华人因被辞退跳楼事件,位于美国圣地亚哥的高通公司(Qualcomm)总部发生员工跳楼事件。

  死者华裔工程师大卫·吴(David Wu)从总部办公楼六楼跳下,当场死亡。

  大卫·吴领英资料显示,他毕业于清华大学,后到多伦多大学攻读博士,2008年进入高通,担任基带集成(Modem Integration)部门的全职工程师。

  但在2015年9月,高通因投资人施压而宣布大规模裁员15%(超过4500名员工),削减14亿美元开支。

  大卫·吴当时因此失业。

  网友表示留着青山在,不怕没柴烧。

  在海外生活压力大,好好活着才是最重要的,把痛苦留给家人是一种懦弱的表现。

说一说2
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内幕呢?
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Weipan
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父母要给孩子从小打预防针,生活总有不如意的时候,不要绝望,问题总有解决的时候。这些优秀的人,受挫折少,遇事一下子就慌乱了,没有受挫折训练。
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size0
3 楼
太优秀了,过往经历太顺了,一个失业坎儿,或者失恋坎儿就过不去了。人生道路充满变数,不要把自己看得过高,但是要珍爱生命!
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Liantao
4 楼
18岁就浙大毕业?肯定是够优秀的。RIP
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lovNordstrom
5 楼
18岁进大学吧,这个人是正常年龄入学的。
路边的蒲公英
6 楼
多大的事儿啊,此处不留爷,自有留爷处。
意大利通心粉
7 楼
老印爬升,老中跳楼。美国职场文化还真是重印轻中
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worley
8 楼
传说是长期被老印欺负羞辱,真相到底是什么?
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WOLF2014
9 楼
原因?
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worley
10 楼
据说跟老印一起工作,功劳是老印的,出了问题黑锅是他背,所以想不开就跳楼了。 脸书应该公开真相,到底他是否被公平对待。
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WOLF2014
11 楼
此处不留爷,自有留爷处。
轻松轻松
12 楼
硅谷是有一批人在StartUp每两年拿个Option就换下家,就跟赌轮盘一样,这在StartUp都是从头做起,按你的想法做就好,但成熟的大公司产品复杂规模庞大,即使是老手进入公司后一至两年才能真正熟练掌握现有产品的根底,在那之前你可能就要承受更大的压力,公司期待你全功率贡献时你又要辞职,所以大公司基本不喜欢频繁换工作的人。看起来,他是喜欢在小公司不断跳转的人,换到大公司后不适应大公司挑战,被压力压垮了。StartUp繁荣时期,这种频繁换工作或许让你撞大运,但Startup被封杀的这十几年,这种频繁换工作没有什么好处,让自己心情浮躁,给自己和更给家庭平添压力。开头五年多换工作给自己增添资历是有意义,那之后还在频繁更换就会有问题。
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limitation
13 楼
put his manager to jail.
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lovNordstrom
14 楼
原来是这样。难怪Facebook HR当天给员工发信要求禁止谈论此事。
路过2013
15 楼
请不要发这种标题党的文章,总是内幕内幕的,点开看了发现什么都没说,在facebook工作了不到两年,那应该和Facebook的关系不大啊。
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ak3
16 楼
抑郁症啦,聪明人追求完美的人都容易得这个病
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lovNordstrom
17 楼
BS. 轻松轻松 发表评论于 2019-09-23 13:17:59 硅谷是有一批人在StartUp每两年拿个Option就换下家,就跟赌轮盘一样,这在StartUp都是从头做起,按你的想法做就好,但成熟的大公司产品复杂规模庞大,即使是老手进入公司后一至两年才能真正熟练掌握现有产品的根底,在那之前你可能就要承受更大的压力,公司期待你全功率贡献时你又要辞职,所以大公司基本不喜欢频繁换工作的人。看起来,他是喜欢在小公司不断跳转的人,换到大公司后不适应大公司挑战,被压力压垮了。StartUp繁荣时期,这种频繁换工作或许让你撞大运,但Startup被封杀的这十几年,这种频繁换工作没有什么好处,让自己心情浮躁,给自己和更给家庭平添压力。开头五年多换工作给自己增添资历是有意义,那之后还在频繁更换就会有问题。
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telomere
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楼下分析啥频繁换工作了,这个人连绿卡都没有,哪里还折腾换工作了,找个能发展事业给自己办绿卡的公司就不错了
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xiaofriend
19 楼
On H1- 被雇主压榨 比较没有转换工作的自由 不过没有什么比生命更宝贵的了 千万不要想不开 人挪活
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lzh0007
20 楼
1999~2013 Zhejiang University
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xiaofriend
21 楼
内幕就是 被烙印经理欺骗 答应给好的评语 结果给了个差评 结果换组不成 进入被裁的程序
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tree1889
22 楼
和生命比起来,工作就是个P。 放了就过去了。什么大不了的?吓唬谁呢? 不是健康出了问题,都是小事一桩。
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lovNordstrom
23 楼
看起来是他找到了新组接受他。他相信了原组老板,在原组待到quarter结束好交接工作。quarter结束后,原组老板给了他一个坏的review,导致他无法换组,因为已经太多人走了。而他在原组已经在PIP上,意味着不久就要被迫走人。 xiaofriend 发表评论于 2019-09-23 13:27:00 内幕就是 被烙印经理欺骗 答应给好的评语 结果给了个差评 结果换组不成 进入被裁的程序
不思进取
24 楼
此处不留爷,自有留爷处? 处处不留爷,才把爷难住。
边走边瞧
25 楼
他的manager(欧洲裔)和同组的同事(统统华裔)没有一个是南亚裔的。这些散布谣言的人居心叵测。
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Jimmy1103_随便
26 楼
我们从小被教育好好学习,没教会为人处事,社交沟通。要么妄自菲薄,要么狂妄自大。屁大的事情就受不了了。
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lovNordstrom
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散布是他老板是印度人的,是在带节奏。 边走边瞧 发表评论于 2019-09-23 13:39:27 他的manager(欧洲裔)和同组的同事(统统华裔)没有一个是南亚裔的。这些散布谣言的人居心叵测。
不思进取
28 楼
不由得想起Bertrand Russell曾说过中国人不怕死, 可是您倒是不怕在个正地方啊。。。**sigh** 耶稣说,我就是生命的粮,到我这里来的,必定不饿,信我的,永远不渴。
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Gooddevil
29 楼
太可惜了,中国人这方面真应该学习白人黑人,走之前真应该带走他的该死的manager
衡山老道
30 楼
不要以为欧洲人就不欺负人,他们也有很多心理阴暗的。若他有一个善良的manager,会给他足够的时间。
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placidworld
31 楼
No company is taking care of their employees at current world. We have been gone through rounds of rounds of layoff, reorg. Then finally, the company decided not to pay severance package so they can CUT COST. Now everyone is living in hell - the so called leadership purposely make everyone uncomfortable, disaster, so employee will have to leave; or they will MAP you a role you know it is not your right fit, then you will get low-performance and forced out. And all the cause is there are some cheaper incompetent outsourcing people there to replace us.
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WWTP
32 楼
我们公司也有人自杀,HR都只会告诉大家是pass away,没有一个HR会告诉大家真正的死因吧。
邮政编码279
33 楼
其实欧洲人才是最小气,最小心眼还爱装的。凭自己实力吃饭的人,切记不要对他人存幻想,凡事适可而止,太艰难的时候,放过自己,就算退出江湖也不会死人的。
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AreyouOK?
34 楼
The last draw collapses the camel is that Green Card... ... not worth it. RIP
纷纷繁繁
35 楼
我们大陆来的人,很多是或多或少信奉“社会达尔文主义”,对自己的要求是只能成功不能失败。 可是什么又是成功呢?在Facebook里面做个螺丝钉一样的马公就是成功吗?反之被解雇就是失败吗? 只不过是一份工作而已。此处不留爷自有留爷处。
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西门桥
36 楼
国内的学校教育,没有任何Resilience 的训练和培养,导致一些人一旦进入什么500强600强,或者取得一点成就就觉得光宗耀祖了, 遇到一点挫折就心理崩溃。这其实也是为什么中国这个国家赚了点钱就觉得自己是世界老大了,牛得不行了。遇到点事动不动就唱国歌,再稍微多点就差不多要搞义和团了。
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scbean
37 楼
太优秀,一路顺。经不起挫折,可惜! 佼佼者易折。
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Thunderpark
38 楼
很多人家里一个人上班,又在高消费区域工作,可能都留不下什么存款。 被免了职,全家很难维继。 一点存款估计都付了房子的首付(可能还欠了亲友父母的钱)。 没工作怎么继续供房,还是DEFAULT? 连首付的钱都扔了? 老婆整天忙小孩,可能都不止一个孩子。 苦啊, 不是一般的惨。。。
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Thunderpark
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所以不要一味贪图高工资到硅谷洛杉矶这种地方上班,尤其是家里只有一个人上班还有两个小孩的。 风险太大,也没什么回旋余地。。。
很老留学生
40 楼
Evaluatiom 在美国职场是一件大事,特别在10%末位淘汰的机制成熟的大公司。我工作的公司根据下面五个方面给雇员评分, 其他公司应该差不多。 1, Professional skill 2,Project performance 3. Team worker attitude 4. Communication skill 5. Seniority. 对于我们中国人,在 4 和 5 的评分会吃亏,3 往往要看个人的性格和处世能力,1 能够拿到工作一般 1 应该可以。关键就在 2 了。如果 2 不好很难保住工作,必须充分有所准备。
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lovNordstrom
41 楼
希望他家里找个好律师。
大玩家
42 楼
facebook的经历, 去中国可以找一个不错的工作。
四则旧舍
43 楼
Liantao 发表评论于 2019-09-23 12:59:0418岁就浙大毕业? "1999级浙江大学毕业生" = 2003毕业
静静的流水
44 楼
為什麼要去死?為什麼不投靠任正非,做個埋伏在臉書里的間諜?華為錢大大的有,到時會給你回報。
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abigapple
45 楼
为啥要自杀?老美都是咱干的,大家都清楚吧。这种自杀没有任何意义。
十具
46 楼
非常同情,他的家庭太惨了。浙大毕业,到美国念一个course Master,真不一定“非常优秀”(鄙人有不算太小的一手样本)。眼高手低+社会阅历浅+从小家庭学校汉式成功学灌输,不出精神状况都难。呆不了美国就是the end of the world? 非常钦佩视频里这个勇敢发声的东亚人,无论谁都不可以被上司恶意玩弄,如果指控属实的话。
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worley
47 楼
不要以为facebook出来的,各个公司都抢着要。要看你干的什么职位。如果你在facebook做网页开发,出来找工作也没啥优势。
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ljcn
48 楼
逼死他的并不一定是他boss,毕竟工作被裁,玩斗争失败,哪里都有,就算回国,也不相信找不到工作(当然,国内38确实是个问题,但有FB经验,还是不难),而是他周围人对他的期待。老婆期望他养家糊口,家里父母指望他工作顺利,身体健康,亲戚朋友指望他升官发财好谋利。。。。等你fail了所有人的期待,拖家带口回国,就是loser,惨的不是丢工作本身,而是周围人的异样眼光。基本就很难有立足之地了。所以应该反对一切亲戚朋友之间的吹牛逼互相攀比。老中聚会全是这个,真是生命毒药。
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7grizzly
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0:30/9:51 ... The more I looked into this, the more it became clear to me that people need to know the story. We need to understand what happened. And FB management, HR, they are not covering this properly. In fact, rumors are that they are trying to hide this and not even admit that this is a suicide. They are simply saying that an employee passed away and that if you need help you should go get some help, get some consuling. That's about all they are doing now. ... as well as myself that the way he chose to die he tried to send a message out and FB upper management they are completely ignoring that and they are sweeping it under the rug. Anytime sth like this happens, executives will be doing everything they can to make you forget about it. Maybe they will have a TownHall Meeting in which they answer a few questions, tell you to get some consuling, call some crisis numbers, and sweep everything under the rug and in two week they hope you forget about this whole thing and they won't have to change a thing. Just probably what's going to happen. Let me tell you though the details I know about this case. I don't know Qin personally. I'm still piecing together parts of the story. But the allegation appears pretty serious which is why I think we need a full investigation. As I understand it, he was working in the advertising group, which is already a high-stress group, you know. Any smart technical issue, it can cause millions of dollars of revenue loss. Now his performance rating was starting to suffer. And if you are not performing well for multiple quarters, then you are put on the PIP plan, performance improvement plan, which is essentially the path to you getting fired. According to a report, so many people in his team burnt out of stress and starting to leave. 4:00/9:51 ... and the management would squeeze every blood out of ICs to hit PSC goals. There have been times I wanted to kill myself and were reading our death benefits that my wife will get if I die at work." So apparently, Qin was not alone in feeling that high stress environment. The final straw came in when there was a SEV which is a severe site event, essentially like a crash where production servers go down or something due to some technical error and it was assigned to Qin, the SEV review, and apparently he tried to delay the process, push that review back but internal script prohibited that and blocked that process. So he was forced to do this and what's telling was that just an hour before the SEV review, he committed the suicide. He jumped. And from this you can kind of paint a picture of the amount of stress he may have been under: the REV review, the internal transfer being blocked, performance rating meant that he would be fired soon, not to mention he was also on an H1B visa. So his ability to remain in the US was also seriously at risk here. Within 60 days of being let-go he would have to have another visa sponsor or he would have to return back to China. Some of you may be wondering with a background like that couldn't he just go get another job? The thing is, maybe he was mentally ill in some capacity. Depression is not logical. It is an impulse decision and, you know, I've been there myself. I have moments too when I've been very depressed. Your heart sinks your eyelids just want to close. And you know, you take a look at a ledge, a balcony and you just think "Oh yeah. That's a quick way to end it." I would encourage any of you who are feelign like this to get some help. They have a suicide hotline which you can call. But I hope we can honor Qin's death by making sure that it's not in vain. How sad would it be if in two weeks, two months, or two years from now, this happen again? Over and over again, and we just learn nothing. You know the way he decided to die, I think he tried to make a statement in such a public fashion. It seems that facebook leadership has simply muted it, silenced it. They just told people due to privacy concerns and respect for the family, do not talk about it. And essentially every facebook employee is now silenced from this censure. Many people don't feel safe talking about this and it's clear that so many people in that company still feel that culture is toxic and there is a high degree of stress. In a poll of how many employees are stressed out, 73% said so. Some employees said they never had depression before but here they had it. ... which largely reflect my experience as well. You know the scary thing about this? Likely nothing is about to change. HR@facebook they are going to deflect responsibility. They are going just to blame this on mental illness. They are going to say: Hey if you need help, go to talk to some consuler. They are going to have a townhall meeting in which they answer some Q&A BS questions. I know how it goes. They'll come in and say "give us your toughest questions. Ask us whatever you want." You ask some questions, they just deflect it. They answer them all. They say goodbye and that's it. You know what I like to see is a SEV review on the SEV review that ended Qin's life. You know what I would like to see is a SEV review on the SEV review that ended Qin's life. I would like to see a full post-mortum write-up by the direct manager or the director, about exactly what happened everything detailing up till the event why it happened, how much damage is done, and what will be done to prevent this from happening again. And people need to be held responsible here. There should be a complete criminal investigation opened up here into workplace bullying. And for the people who worked with Qin and his manager, I think they should seriously review their processes and think about the environment they set up for their employees. Now, I want to give you some real advice here. These companies, they can and will just drive you into the ground. They will milk you for every ounce of blood that they can get. We can sit here whine about it and demand better treatment all day long but they may or may not listen. I would recommend you watch out for yourself for your best interest. No company is worth dying for. No company is your family. If you feel the environment is getting too toxic or stressful, consider taking a vacation, take a break, or start looking into switching companies ...
四季如冬
50 楼
毕业后两年一跳,直到到了facebook,在Facebook呆了1年8个月,,,就跳楼。 可以回国去啊
非资式分子
51 楼
值得注意是公司方面企图消音的事。去年西方一个大公司的死人事件中,我就注意到西方在封锁企业负面消息时媒体和公司似乎很默契,一般事件暴露后媒体只简单报道,之后就再无任何后续调查结果报道。而中国要发生同样的事,他们就大肆炒作,说中国不透明,对自己的人民封锁消息,云云。他们很会玩这种两面三刀的双重标准把戏。
国色
52 楼
这是华人在美国的缩影。。。不是被歧视,就是被逼死。
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worley
53 楼
楼下的别替中共独裁集团美化了。中共独裁集团一下令,哪个媒体敢报导? 这里谈论的是脸书的问题,脸书当然试图大事化小。而我们希望知道的是陈勤有没有被他的经理公平对待。
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lovNordstrom
54 楼
带节奏?中兴跳楼的中年男向你问好。 国色 发表评论于 2019-09-23 16:46:47 这是华人在美国的缩影。。。不是被歧视,就是被逼死。
熙来熙往
55 楼
傻孩子,为啥跳楼呀。中国公司现在招人很猛的,要钱给钱,要福利给福利。愿你一路走好,天堂平安!
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loayumive
56 楼
stress?矫情。你降薪去个low stress的地儿呀。
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ridicu
57 楼
看得出来,估计是从来没遇到什么挫折,人生太顺了,出点事就想不开了。
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nanxun_
58 楼
各位同胞记住:自杀是绝对绝对的懦夫行为,只会亲者痛仇者快。如果你感觉到不公平和被歧视欺负,俺支持你拿枪找回公平!冤有头债有主,想尽办法干掉那个欺负你的人。还有,记住:杀一个是犯罪,杀一群是犯病--美国的法律就是这样的判的。
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bluetag
59 楼
楼下,你这是教唆杀人,要被盯上的。
体制内
60 楼
浙大99的真不应该跳,应该让浙大79的跳
空城之主
61 楼
内部的人告诉我,陈勤做的是广告开发,他的部门压力很大。